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Old 06-13-2024, 09:28 PM   #1
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AS Trailers Actual Hitch Weights

I need your help! I'm researching real world actual AS trailers Hitch Weight.
Specifically for these models:

Bambi 19CB = 525
Bambi 20FB = 625
Caravel 19CB = 550
Caravel 20FB = 650
Flying Cloud 23FB = 500
(2018) Flying Cloud 19CB = 550

The = numbers are the published specs for hitch weights of the model.
I think these represent the weights with batteries & LP.

For example I looked at an 2018 Flying Cloud 19CB and that actual hitch weight was only 500 with LP & Batteries but dry unloaded.

If you could share your year/model/hitch weight and what the load includes (batteries/LP/water/if loaded with cargo) I'd appreciate it AND it would probably be a great resource for others to reference.
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Old 06-14-2024, 04:28 AM   #2
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So real world hitch weights are definitely better, but I’ve had luck getting decent estimates of hitch weights using this equation:

Published hitch weight / published UVW * expected GVW

With many Airstream models (including all the 23 and smaller sizes) you can just replace expected GVW with GVWR.

What this does is calculate the hitch weight ratio (percent of weight of the trailer that rests on the hitch) and uses that to estimate the loaded hitch weight. Airstreams are generally designed to carry weight fairly evenly, with heaviest stuff like water located nearest to the axles. As I said, not perfect, though neither are other people’s weights, though good to get both to double confirm. And if you add bikes or other heavy objects at the front or rear, that can of course also change things.
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So real world hitch weights are definitely better, but I’ve had luck getting decent estimates of hitch weights using this equation:

Published hitch weight / published UVW * expected GVW

With many Airstream models (including all the 23 and smaller sizes) you can just replace expected GVW with GVWR.

What this does is calculate the hitch weight ratio (percent of weight of the trailer that rests on the hitch) and uses that to estimate the loaded hitch weight. Airstreams are generally designed to carry weight fairly evenly, with heaviest stuff like water located nearest to the axles. As I said, not perfect, though neither are other people’s weights, though good to get both to double confirm. And if you add bikes or other heavy objects at the front or rear, that can of course also change things.
Very useful.

I ran this for my 2019 25 RBT, with a published hitch weight of 835. Using an estimate of how loaded I am for the road, I got a computed hitch weight of 922, which I think is in the ball park of my actual hitch weight, given we have a rear bed twin.
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A smidge over 900# actual vs. AS Brochure Hitch Weight spec (with LP & Batteries) 837#.
Figure camp ready weight is ~1000#
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Old 06-14-2024, 09:20 AM   #5
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The "camp ready weight" above is what counts. Mine is 1050 for a 25 FB, big difference from published weight.
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Old 06-14-2024, 09:26 AM   #6
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Actual Hitch Weight

2020 Caravel 20 fb with 2000 watt inverter and 2 Li batteries up front, with full propane and no water. Loaded for two month trip read 675 lbs on the hitch weight scale.
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Thanks Rich for the formula and everyone's input so far. I'm especially interested in the 19-23 foot range. Thanks Jay22 for that Caravel 20FB info. My current TV is rated 620 hitch so I know the 20 footers will likely be too heavy. Due to length the 22 & 23s are lighter hitch weight.
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Old 06-15-2024, 07:30 AM   #8
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My 26U has a published tongue weight of 903, but on the Shoreline scale it's 1125.
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Old 06-15-2024, 07:51 AM   #9
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My 2018 Serenity 28 has a published hitch weight of 935 lbs, but actual, fully loaded is 1100 lbs.
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Old 06-19-2024, 09:22 AM   #10
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My FB23 International loaded for a 6 week trip, which included full LPG tanks, 2 lead acid batteries and the Honda generator on the battery box had a tongue weight of 620 lbs.
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Please explain the abbreviations in the equation. Ie what is UVW?
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The "camp ready weight" above is what counts. Mine is 1050 for a 25 FB, big difference from published weight.
Excellent point "Camp Ready Hitch Weight" is the only metric that matters yet it is rarely published because of the variables associated with where the operator places the payload and how much payload is loaded.

The next best metric that gets closest to a comparable value would be loaded camp ready hitch weight before clothes and food (but including full tank of water). Since food is often placed midship (not impacting hitch weight much) and clothes are nominally placed forward for front bed models.
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Thanks Rich for the formula and everyone's input so far. I'm especially interested in the 19-23 foot range. Thanks Jay22 for that Caravel 20FB info. My current TV is rated 620 hitch so I know the 20 footers will likely be too heavy. Due to length the 22 & 23s are lighter hitch weight.
We have a 2017 Flying Cloud 19. Our tow vehicle has a hitch rating of 600 lbs without weight distribution. I haven’t been to the scales yet, but the tow vehicle handles it easily. Some initial sag at hookup, most of which is eliminated with application of moderate tension on the weight distribution bars.

With any 19’ model, you should be fine if your vehicle has a 620 lbs tongue rating. The 20’ model is another story - - we ruled that one out because it exceeded our hitch rating.
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2023 Caravel 19 ready to camp with lithium batteries. 525
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Very useful.

I ran this for my 2019 25 RBT, with a published hitch weight of 835. Using an estimate of how loaded I am for the road, I got a computed hitch weight of 922, which I think is in the ball park of my actual hitch weight, given we have a rear bed twin.
UVW = Unloaded Vehicle Weight (what your vehicle weighed when it came out of the factory, Airstream's website currently calls it "Unit Base Weight with LP and Batteries")

GVW = Gross Vehicle Weight (what you actually expect your on the road loaded weight to be or better, what your actual weighed weight it)
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2014 27FB Published Weight 770
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100% Fresh Water, 00% Black, 00% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1060
100% Fresh Water, 50% Black, 00% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1110
100% Fresh Water, 50% Black, 50% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1150
100% Fresh Water, 50% Black, 80% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1170
100% Fresh Water, 80% Black, 80% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1200
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2014 27FB Published Weight 770
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100% Fresh Water, 00% Black, 00% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1060
100% Fresh Water, 50% Black, 00% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1110
100% Fresh Water, 50% Black, 50% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1150
100% Fresh Water, 50% Black, 80% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1170
100% Fresh Water, 80% Black, 80% Grey, Full LP, Gear, Food, Clothes, 1200
Wow! Great information. I suspect the numbers are much higher in the 25' Airstream models.

The publish hitch weight is with an empty trailer. What is your empty trailer hitch weight?
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We have a 2017 Flying Cloud 19. Our tow vehicle has a hitch rating of 600 lbs without weight distribution. I haven’t been to the scales yet, but the tow vehicle handles it easily. Some initial sag at hookup, most of which is eliminated with application of moderate tension on the weight distribution bars.

With any 19’ model, you should be fine if your vehicle has a 620 lbs tongue rating. The 20’ model is another story - - we ruled that one out because it exceeded our hitch rating.
Yeah I had almost ruled out the 20's also since those hitch weights seem to be much more than 19's or 22/23.
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