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Old 11-25-2020, 12:53 PM   #1
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Anyone towing a 22' with a Jeep GC?

We're looking to upgrade from our e-pro to a Caravel 22FB. We have a JGC V6 right now with a 6,200 tow capacity. If we upgrade we think we'd get the JGC Trailhawk since we can get a 5.6l v8 hemi and will push us to 7200 capacity. The 22FB is 5000 GVWR with a 550lbs hitch weight according to the brochure. I'm concerned about payload, not seeing options to customize the jeep to increase the payload.

Is anyone else out there towing a larger rig with a JGC? Would love to hear your feedback!
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Old 11-25-2020, 02:56 PM   #2
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We have towed, without problem, our 2002 19' Bambi with various V8 Grand Cherokees since the trailer was new. The present tow vehicle is a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.7l V8, air suspension, and factory towing package. Nominal gross weight of our trailer is 4500 pounds and the tongue weight is nominally 450 pounds. We have a Hensley hitch, so that increases final tongue weight by close to 100 pounds. When towing, we have been two people and a large dog plus a bunch of fly fishing gear in the Jeep. If you really want to load up your tow vehicle, perhaps a pickup would be better for you.

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Old 11-25-2020, 06:16 PM   #3
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The reality of the Airstream published weights are they are basically bare minimums and you can count on ~ 650 lbs. tongue weight.

I am not too sure what the tongue max is for the JGC but it will probably be okay for the tongue weight and definitely the trailer weight.

The bigger challenge will end up being your Jeep's cargo capacity. The trailer tongue will take a good portion of it leaving little for camping things or people that you want to bring along.

Take a hard look at the cargo capacity as it will be the first to max out.
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Old 11-25-2020, 07:45 PM   #4
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Oops, I just saw that I wrote 4.7l V8 in our 2016 Grand Cherokee. Correct is 5.7l V8.

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Old 11-26-2020, 10:47 AM   #5
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Before getting a truck with cap for storage purposes, I towed my 2007 Safari 20 with a 2014 Grand Cherokee with a V6. It worked very well.
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Old 11-26-2020, 11:00 AM   #6
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We towed a 22' Sport with a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk (5.7L Hemi) for several years--Blue Ox WD hitch--and had no problems. It had plenty of pulling power but felt just slightly "max'd out" in terms of comfortable stability. Overall it worked fine though.
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I weighed a 22’ Caravel when I was considering upgrading from our 22’ Sport. Dry tongue weight was just over 600 pounds. You will easily be in the 650+ range with water, food and cargo, likely 700. That kept me squarely in my Sport until I get a Cybertruck in a few years
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Old 11-26-2020, 11:20 AM   #8
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We tow a Bambi Sport 22fb with at JGC Overlander with a Hemi, we have towed it to Alaska over the Rockies without any problems at all, it has plenty of extra power on the mountains. We also towed the same camper with a Jeep Liberty with a V6, it towed it just fine on the level and normal hills but in the mountains it had some trouble going up long hills. We don't usually put much in the Jeep because we have the dog in the back, so everything goes in the camper.
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Old 11-26-2020, 11:28 AM   #9
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I weighed a 22’ Caravel when I was considering upgrading from our 22’ Sport. Dry tongue weight was just over 600 pounds. You will easily be in the 650+ range with water, food and cargo, likely 700. That kept me squarely in my Sport until I get a Cybertruck in a few years
I too was looking at the Caravel but the tongue weight put me over the top with my Ridgeline. The Sport is quite different being lighter and narrower. Easy to tow compared to the 8 feet wide trailers which was one big factor for picking our Sport. Our tongue scale weighs ours in at 500 lbs (loaded but no water).

The width of the Sport is 7'-4" which ends up with a narrower center corridor. The Caravel will have the extra space (~8") down the middle of the trailer.
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We towed a 23fb with a GC Ecodiesel which worked well using a Blue Ox hitch, the only issue with GC was cargo space (not so much payload). Just not quite enough room for our dogs and our stuff.
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Old 11-26-2020, 12:25 PM   #11
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Towing with Jeep Grand Cherokee

We occasionally tow a 25 foot Flying Cloud with a 2018 JGC V6 with factory towing package and Reese weight distribution system. Works great in the Midwest. Have had several conversations with CanAm, who says it’s a very good TV, but should have the hitch receiver reinforced, which we will do. Have had no towing issues, engine is not stressed and getting 12-14mpg.
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Old 11-26-2020, 04:44 PM   #12
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Towing with JGC

We have been towing a 27 FB International Serenity with our 2015 Diesel JGC. Towed through Canada, east coast (including the Smokey’s), as well as out west (even portions of the Rockys). Have had no problems. We got CanAm to reinforce the hitch receiver and because of payload considerations we do not carry much in the Jeep. We pack most everything in the trailer. Have to admit i do slow down on some of the steeper long hills but thanks to the diesel I pass most people who have passed me while they are in the gas station .
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:45 PM   #13
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Your 27 Airstream can weigh up to 8,300 lb but Jeep says the towing limit is 7200 and 720 lb tongue weight they have issues managing sway and oversteer. How do you know your jeep will remain in control given that Jeep says it won't? Don't try to sell me on the idea shoring up the hitch makes the vehicle more stable, I know better. I mean really, do you know your vehicle is stable for sway and jackknife, or are you taking it on faith?
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Old 11-26-2020, 09:56 PM   #14
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Real world 23D w/ MB AMG GL 63

Happily towing AS23D Serenity w Mercedes AMG GL 63 w Equal i zer. No complaints, no issues. 750 tongue w/ 7500 lbs rated. Some of us dont do “trucks” under any circumstances. Perfectly happy to stick with “narrow” bodies. 2 people, 1 dog, 1 cat, twin propane Honda eu2200s.
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Mid sized SUVs excel over trucks for 23' and shorter travel trailers unless you have a bunch of bulky gear to bring along ( I do ). I have no clue how I'd fit two bikes in a GL along with 5 days of firewood, a generator, corn hole, 20 gal of gas and a pizza kitchen (don't ask).
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Mid sized SUVs excel over trucks for 23' and shorter travel trailers unless you have a bunch of bulky gear to bring along ( I do ). I have no clue how I'd fit two bikes in a GL along with 5 days of firewood, a generator, corn hole, 20 gal of gas and a pizza kitchen (don't ask).
Some people don't need a generator. All the places I travel to it's illegal to transport firewood. And 2 bikes NP.

If you need all that stuff I'd just stay home.
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I definitely want the Pizza Kichen!
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Your 27 Airstream can weigh up to 8,300 lb but Jeep says the towing limit is 7200 and 720 lb tongue weight they have issues managing sway and oversteer. How do you know your jeep will remain in control given that Jeep says it won't? Don't try to sell me on the idea shoring up the hitch makes the vehicle more stable, I know better. I mean really, do you know your vehicle is stable for sway and jackknife, or are you taking it on faith?
Thank you for your concern for my safety, but ... The maximum weight for the 27 foot is actually 7600 lbs but the normal weight is much closer to 6000 lbs. I have weighed my trailer fully loaded and it is less than 7200 lbs. so I assume I am ok by your calculations. On a side note, I wonder what the towing numbers are actually based on. I cannot believe towing a 7000 lb SOB would be the same as a 7000 lb Airstream.
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I figured out I could get a Jeep GC - Limited with a v8 (7200 lbs towing capacity) and the cargo capacity is 1400. That should put be well within the range unless I’m missing something..?
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Old 11-27-2020, 05:48 PM   #20
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My mistake on GVWR, 7,600 is still over. Loaded for camping our 25' typically weighs in at 6,900-7,100 with 1000-1100 tongue. You didn't mention tongue weight but since it is an inexact proxy for trailer inertial moment there is only so much you can do by loading strategy. Jeep's low 10% tongue guidance is to manage oversteer and sway risk which is what I was responding to, so no I don't see it as okay.

Jeep and most other manufacturers for the US market use the easiest trailer type to set the max limits when the vehicle is marketed for towing. In this range it is a flatbed utility trailer. Then they set the limits based on sway damping and cornering stability. Airstreams are much more demanding to tow than t a flatbed but the low tongue limits generally pursuade prospective trailer owners to stay away from the upper max towing limit. They further discourage heavy tongues by limiting the receiver capacity to the same weight. In the case of the Jeep with a 720 lb max tongue, they are effectively limiting the vehicle to a 5,000 to 6,000 lb travel trailer, which it can nicely tow.

An Airstream of course tows and handles nicer than most other travel trailer brands but handling performance does not have significant bearing on combination stability
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