Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 

Go Back   Airstream Forums > Airstream Restoration, Repair & Parts Forums > Towing, Tow Vehicles & Hitches
Click Here to Login
Register Vendors FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search Log in

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-06-2021, 03:31 PM   #1
1 Rivet Member
 
2021 25' Flying Cloud
Dahlonega , Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 6
Question Alternatives to Hensley/Propride

Recently placed my order for a 2021 FC 25FBT that is due to come in April. My TV is a 2019 F150 Super Crew 4X4 short bed with the Max Tow pkg and a GVWR of approx 1,600 lbs. I want to get a WD Anti-Sway hitch before the unit arrives and, from what I've read, the Hensley and Propride are top-of-the-line. I'd like to go that way but, the cost and the added 200 lbs weight for these hitches are hard to get past! What are your experiences with alternative WD Anti-Sway hitches?
Mr T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2021, 04:05 PM   #2
Rivet Master
 
Halford1's Avatar
 
2019 19' Flying Cloud
Canyon Country , California
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 909
Welcome! Your Ford Tow Vehicle (TV) sounds good! Did you mean the payload max is 1600 lbs? What's the Ford tow weight max?
__________________
2014 Ford Explorer XLT with factory installed Tow Package.

2019 Flying Cloud 19CBB
Halford1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2021, 04:08 PM   #3
3 Rivet Member
 
flynmike's Avatar
 
2005 30' Classic
Sacramento , California
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 162
I wavered on buying my ProPride because I wasn't really having any sway problems but liked the concept. I finally bought my ProPride because it would put my Airstream back a few inches allowing me to lower the tailgate on my truck while hitched and because the bulk of the machinery stayed on the hitch so I didn't have to store the bars. Goofy reasons I know but that's the truth.
Now I kicked myself for not getting it sooner. It's awesome! I does everything it says and I couldn't be happier.
Read threads on here, look at the reviews on their Facebook page. I had once thought about a hensley but like the changes on the ProPride....it's just an awesome hitch!
There is a learning curve on hitching but I've mastered it and I can't be hitched and rolling in no time.
The customer service from ProPride is second to none and you'll hear that over and over again.
I HIGHLY recommend it!
Best of luck to you.
__________________
'05 30' Classic rear queen with an '11 Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel tow vehicle
Avatar is inflight refueling of an F-15 over Nevada...best job ever!
flynmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2021, 04:12 PM   #4
1 Rivet Member
 
2021 25' Flying Cloud
Dahlonega , Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 6
Yes, 1,600 lbs payload. The FC 25FBT has a hitch wt of 835. It's just my wife and I plus our small dog (around 300 lbs total). Max tow 12,700 lbs.
Mr T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2021, 04:49 PM   #5
"Cloudsplitter"

 
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas , Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
Images: 1
Welcome Aboard👍

Most have experienced the tongue weight dilemma, the AS stated TW is underrated, add 200 to 350lbs for a loaded for camping Airstream, without the weight of the PPP hitch.😲

Bob
🇺🇸
__________________
I’m done with ‘adulting’…Let’s go find Bigfoot.
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2021, 04:54 PM   #6
Rivet Master
 
1986 31' Sovereign
Miami , Florida
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,137
Blog Entries: 13
The advertised tongue weights for Airstreams are notoriously low. I wouldn’t count on less than 1000# especially front bedroom.

I use the Reese dual-cam (came with the trailer). Works fine and pretty easy hook up. Can be noisy when cruising around the campground at 5 mph but you don’t notice it after you start moving for real.

I towed my old 8000# 1986 Sovereign with a first generation Nissan Titan over 80,000 miles with zero problems so it can be done safely with a half-ton. What you can’t do is carry a bunch of stuff — if you need bikes, multiple gensets , kayaks etc., you will run out of payload.
__________________
Sorta new (usually dirty) Nissan Titan XD (hardly paid for)
Middle-aged Safari SE
Young, lovely bride
Dismissive cat
n2916s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2021, 05:30 PM   #7
Rivet Master
 
2018 25' International
Slidell , Louisiana
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 3,725
Hitch performance of the PPP hitches (Hensley and ProPride) more than compensates for the extra bulk, and longer geometry. Engineering wise and performance wise, there is nothing else in its class. It hands down out performs everything else. When you see complaints about it they are usually of issues that are a result of the combined system, that the hitch cannot address but can be solved through other means. An example, the combination is excessively stiff due to the WD bars combined with a stiff rear TV suspension. Solution, Sulastic spring Shackle shocks on the tow vehicle since you can't do anything to reduce hitch stiffness.

Ok so Hensley and ProPride are the best, so how do you decide if you are a good candidate for the best? It depends on your risk profile and your tolerance for lateral movement while towing. If you want a very sure and steady combination, that nearly eliminates sway for all practical conditions on the road when the combination is set up and driven properly then these are the hitches for you. If instead you are ok with a system that dampens movement so that while it is present, it does not amplify into sway for the same conditions previously described, then a hitch with excellent sway control is adequate. Both methods work, both methods will provides very close to the same protection. Now the PPP hitches do also arrest sway and oversteer to a greater degree even if the driver makes a serious error, or loads the trailer poorly but neither system can save you from negligence. So you need to decide what you are comfortable with.

All of this applies to your setup because the basic combination is competent. Others who have combinations at risk for sway, the PPP hitch become mandatory. If you decide on the best performance, great! If you decide good enough is good enough. I can help you with some good hitch choices.
BayouBiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2021, 05:45 PM   #8
Site Team
 
azflycaster's Avatar

 
2002 25' Safari
Dewey , Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 15,616
Images: 62
Blog Entries: 1
I have been using a Blue Ox SwayPro for the last few years. It is easy to hookup, makes no noise and is very effective for both preventing sway and distributing weight.
__________________

Richard

Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
azflycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2021, 06:15 PM   #9
Rivet Master
 
2017 28' International
Jim Falls , Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,310
Blog Entries: 1
I have a 28’ Rear Bedroom and have similar pickup to yours. I use the Propride. Just pack the bulky light stuff in the bed of the pickup. Having said that my axle weight is rated to 1250lbs. I got 20 inch wheels to get to 1250lbs. That added 200lbs to the rear axle weight which is probably more important.

Two things:
1) What is your rear axle weight rated at?
2) Can you reduce your payload in the pickup by loading it in the trailer?

Having said that I towed with my previous F150 that didn’t have the axle weight and it did just great.

Also I would recommend upgrading your shocks to Bilsteins OR getting a roadmaster suspension system. That will help with the porpoising and make for a better ride.
Daquenzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2021, 11:15 AM   #10
Rivet Master
 
kidjedi's Avatar
 
1972 25' Tradewind
1976 31' Excella 500
1974 31' Excella 500
1975 24' Argosy 24
Denver , Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,106
The Hensley/PP hitches are really nice, but in my opinion overkill for a 25 foot trailer and a big truck. They are smooth and wonderful, but definitely not necessary. They are often also a pain to deal with because they weigh so much. And as you have already mentioned, in comparison to other hitches, they are incredibly expensive.
I towed with a Hensley for a couple of years until the hitch physically failed (pins tore through the 1/4" steel sheet near the strut attchment... very disappointing (and dangerous) for a $2k set up).
I started using a generic "chain and sway strut" (similar to the one at Harbor Freight) set up that came with another trailer. The friction sway strut is incredibly loud when turning, but the functionality of the system is not noticeably worse than the Hensley for a 25 foot trailer. Last November coming back from Mount Rushmore, I was in 60mph crosswinds and didn't even realize how strong the winds were until getting out of the vehicle to fuel. I should note that my trailer is a bit lighter than most (only 4200# fully loaded).
If you were towing a 34 foot trailer I would push for the Hensley/PP, but for a smaller trailer, you can definitely get by with less. Are the more expensive hitches really nice? Yes. Are they worth it? Mileage may vary. Are they necessary? No.
__________________
25' 1972 Airstream Trade Wind Land Yacht (heavily customized)
2006 Jeep Liberty CRD (diesel)
BeahmStream.com
kidjedi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2021, 11:54 AM   #11
4 Rivet Member
 
2013 30' Flying Cloud
Kingwood , Texas
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 341
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr T View Post
Yes, 1,600 lbs payload. The FC 25FBT has a hitch wt of 835. It's just my wife and I plus our small dog (around 300 lbs total). Max tow 12,700 lbs.
Just be careful, our 2014 FC 25 FBT tongue weight was 1,250 pounds. That’s why we upgraded from a F-150 to a F-250.
DoubleR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2021, 12:03 PM   #12
Rivet Master
 
2018 25' International
Slidell , Louisiana
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 3,725
Just so others know the Hensley is plenty strong but does limits backing sharply and is susceptible to damage. I'd call it operator error but others might call it a design flaw.

Some of F-150's are approaching stability limits with a fully loaded modern 25' at 7300 lbs. so a Hensley or Propride may well be a good choice for people who are looking for rock steady and low risk.
BayouBiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2021, 01:19 PM   #13
Rivet Master

 
2007 22' International CCD
Corona , California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
Data point. The ProPride is a vastly improved version of the Hensley. It has no issues backing up at sharp angles and appears to be much sturdier that the Hensley Manufacturing item. I won’t tow without one.
__________________
Rich, KE4GNK/AE, Overkill Engineering Dept.
'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
rmkrum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2021, 01:28 PM   #14
1 Rivet Member
 
2021 16' Bambi
Sand Springs , Oklahoma
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 8
I have a Hensley Cub on my rig. They are worth every penny. My recommendation is don‘t try to cut cost here; you‘ve got too much invested to do otherwise....
CPT Wagner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2021, 10:25 AM   #15
"Cloudsplitter"

 
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas , Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by rmkrum View Post
Data point. The ProPride is a vastly improved version of the Hensley. It has no issues backing up at sharp angles and appears to be much sturdier that the Hensley Manufacturing item. I won’t tow without one.

Rich....
Vastly? Only to those who own one.

I can FAIL anything. 😂

Bob
🇺🇸
__________________
I’m done with ‘adulting’…Let’s go find Bigfoot.
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2021, 10:54 AM   #16
Rivet Master
 
jaybauman's Avatar
 
2021 33FB Classic
2019 30' Flying Cloud
Katy , Texas
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 788
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS View Post
Rich....
Vastly? Only to those who own one.

I can FAIL anything. 😂

Bob
🇺🇸
Having self-installed and towed with both, the "vastly" description is apropos. Obsoleting the struts makes a much more robust system.
__________________
2021 Classic 33
2020 GMC 3500HD Duramax AT4
ProPride 3P
jaybauman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2021, 03:50 PM   #17
"Cloudsplitter"

 
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas , Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybauman View Post
Having self-installed and towed with both, the "vastly" description is apropos. Obsoleting the struts makes a much more robust system.
TETO

“If you’re happy with what you’re using…it’s adequate.
If other people are un-happy….it’s not”
RLC



Bob
🇺🇸
__________________
I’m done with ‘adulting’…Let’s go find Bigfoot.
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2021, 03:57 PM   #18
Rivet Master

 
2007 22' International CCD
Corona , California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybauman View Post
Having self-installed and towed with both, the "vastly" description is apropos. Obsoleting the struts makes a much more robust system.


And no struts also means NO holes to drill in the A-frame. That’s one of the big reasons I went with the ProPride system.

Anything can fail if it’s abused or overloaded. I worked with a bunch of oilfield workers. If they didn’t have a big enough tool to break something, they would go into their shop and build one.

To this day I don’t know how they managed to destroy a piece of hardware built into an armored box capable of withstanding the forces generated by submerging it to a depth of over 1,000 feet. They totally warped and bent a 3” thick steel cylinder somehow!
__________________
Rich, KE4GNK/AE, Overkill Engineering Dept.
'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
rmkrum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2021, 10:29 AM   #19
2 Rivet Member
 
Currently Looking...
Stuart , Florida
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 42
I had an EZ hitch, It was not safe

I bought a used Hensley. there is a night & day difference. The Hensley is great.

Getting by is not the right way to go, in this instance.
Denny Arnold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2021, 02:18 PM   #20
Rivet Master
 
SailorSam205's Avatar
 
South East , Michigan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 552
Something many don't consider. TW is a class-2 lever function. TW is the effort needed to lift the weight of the trailer that is not carried by the trailer wheels. TW can be calculated by determining where on the lever arm weight or down force is positioned and then doing some more math related to the distance from the fulcrum (trailer axle) to where the load is measured. On a conventional hitch, that is the ball. Lengthening the lever arm effectively lowers TW. On a Hensley design hitch, the load is moved farther from the axle into the TV receiver. Since the lever is longer you may end up with a lower TW than with a conventional hitch. Simply said, more of the base trailer weight is carried by the trailer wheels, offsetting some or all of the additional weight of the hitch. From reading lots of posts, the delta is likely to be +/- 25lbs of a conventional hitch.


As for price, no reason you have to buy new. Both Propride and Hensley come up for sale as folks move to 5vers, class A or C's, or retire from RVing and sell the hitch separate from their trailer.
__________________
Al
2017 29' SOB, 2022 Platinum F-150 SCrew, ProPride
SailorSam205 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hensley or Propride rochar3 Hitches, Couplers & Balls 88 04-01-2017 11:05 PM
HELP!!! Hensley vs ProPride 3P sempi2 Hitches, Couplers & Balls 91 12-08-2014 09:43 PM
Hensley Bump = ProPride Bump? Secguru Hitches, Couplers & Balls 34 11-23-2009 10:49 PM
Hensley with Propride adjustable stinger boondockdad Hitches, Couplers & Balls 5 12-03-2008 07:55 PM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.