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Old 04-01-2021, 06:32 PM   #21
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Starting in 1970 I towed our 23' Streamline with a AMC Ambassador Station Wagon. It had a 343 CID engine and tall gears. In 1974 I he'd to trade it in for a used International Travel all. The AMC's tranny was shot.
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I had a 1969 Rebel wagon with the 343, it was a like greased lightning but like you said the tranny was the weak point.
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Old 04-02-2021, 04:12 AM   #22
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Hi Mike The Cutlass would have had a 455, 454ís were only used in chevís. The 455 was a much better engine but gm kept the 454 not the 455. It would have a had 2.73:1 gears, if it had the tow package it would have had 3.23:1.
I'm not sure how I forgot that. In 78 I bought a 76 Cutlass 442 with the 455. But it did not have the tow package
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Old 04-02-2021, 06:53 AM   #23
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We towed a 19 ft. Dutchcraft all over the Northeast with a '77 Jeep Wagoneer. Had a lot of overheating problems with it until I found a three row radiator for it that solved the overheating.
Back in 1958 my Dad took us on a cross country trip towing a 20' SOB with a '56 Chrysler station wagon. NJ to CA including all the national parks. Find memories!

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Old 04-02-2021, 10:54 AM   #24
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I'm not sure how I forgot that. In 78 I bought a 76 Cutlass 442 with the 455. But it did not have the tow package

Iím pretty sure the 442 had the 3.23 gears and HD suspension. Big fuel lines as well.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:30 AM   #25
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My uncle used a 1974 Mercury Marquis with a 429 CI engine, it was fully loaded with everything you could get on a 4 door luxury vehicle. He towed a 1973 Tradewind 25' & passed everything on the highway except a gas station
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:40 AM   #26
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These days I see a lot of debate about which monster truck is best to pull my
Airstream. But what about "back in the day"? What did you (or your parents or grandparents) use back in the 70s and 80s?

Please no criticisms (unless you are criticizing yourself). We know that most of you would never consider towing with THAT today...
I towed a 62 AS Overlander dual axle cross country twice with a 75 Plymouth 4 door sedan GRAN FURY 360 CU INCH automatic. 5 MPH FLOORED over the Continental Divide, smoked the cars front disc pads on a wrong turn in the Redwood Forest and needed a rear u joint in Las Vegas. 4 adults in the car. Young and dumb but we made it back to MA !
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:49 AM   #27
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Grandparents towed with GMC Jimmy in the 60's, then F250 with 460ci in the late 60's. 150 gallon tank in the bed for the Caravan to Mexico in the early 70's. Then switched to '73 Chrysler T&C wagon w/ 440 and 4.?? rear end. Grandma used to smoke some of the muscle cars of the day. Top end was only about 85 mph but she got there real quick. Then back to Ford with econoline w/ 460 again. They had a total of 4 different 31 footers.

Parents towed with 66 Imperial w/ 440. 10 mpg towing or not. Then to a New Yorker w/ 440. Changed the rear end to 4.11 and added air shocks. Finally ended up with GMC Suburban w/ 454 before moving to a motorhome. They had 2- 31 footers before the MH.

I tow 29 footer with Dodge 2500 Club Cab and 488 ci V10.
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Old 04-07-2021, 10:36 AM   #28
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I tow my 1973 Safari with either my 41 Dodge cabover or my 48 Chev panel. I must admit they aren't stock under the hood. When around the farm I park using the New Holland Boomer, great movability when parking.
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Old 04-07-2021, 10:50 AM   #29
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You name it and it was used as TV's in the 70s and 80s. Pick ups, 1/2 T, 3/4 T and even 1 T were lighter and less capable than now. Lots of cars were used.
I remember seeing lots of Cadillacs and other big cars pulling AS. In 84, for some reason that I don't remember, my 3/4 T TV was out of service and I pulled our 31' AS from Memphis to St. Louis with an 84 Dodge RamCharger. It was the equivalent of a very light duty, really short wheel base 1/2 T truck. Very little pay load. It beat us all the way out and back. The rear springs were squashed down and every tar strip made the short wheel base truck bump and jump all the way. I don't know what I was thinking. I only did that once.
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Old 04-07-2021, 10:51 AM   #30
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My dad towed with a 1974 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. It was a 472 cubic inch engine with 205 hp! and 365 ft lbs of torque. We added a transmission cooler and air shocks for towing.

I looked up the specs of the Cadillac and compared it to our 2007 F150. It's about the same weight, the Caddy was a bit longer. But the F150 has more hp with much smaller (330 cubic inch) engine.

If I recall correctly, most people were using big cars - Chrysler Imperials, Oldsmobile 98s and the Caddys as tow vehicles.
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Old 04-07-2021, 10:54 AM   #31
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Let's see...throughout the '70s and '80s, Dad towed two Airstreams (a '66 24' Tradewind and a '72 31' Sovereign) with a stable full of tow vehicles:

1969 Chevy Camper van 108 with a 307/Powerglide
1971 International Travellal with a 392
1976 Cadillac Sedan DeVille with a 500
1980 Chevy Suburban with a 350
1987 Chevy Suburban with a 350

The Travellal was the best tow vehicle by far. Too bad parts availability, access to servicing, and rust took it away from us.

The Suburbans were pathetically underpowered to handle the '72...we went through lots of transmissions in those.

The Caddy was a lot of fun with air-assisted rear suspension. A luxury car that could also tow the Airstream. Was a long trip to Florida (from PA) with we three kids in the back seat.
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Old 04-07-2021, 11:24 AM   #32
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My first tow vehicle was a used 1973 International Travelall that I bought in 1976. It had an AMC 390 CID V8 and a Chrysler Torqueflite transmission. The previous owner had removed all of the emission control equipment and it was an excellent tow vehicle. The trailer brake controller was on the steering column and was tapped into the brake lines. I made a foolish decision to replace it with a 1978 Chevrolet Suburban 1/2 ton with a 3.07 ratio rear axle. It was never equal to the Travelall.
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Old 04-07-2021, 11:30 AM   #33
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My first tow vehicle was a used 1973 International Travelall that I bought in 1976. It had an AMC 390 CID V8 and a Chrysler Torqueflite transmission. The previous owner had removed all of the emission control equipment and it was an excellent tow vehicle. The trailer brake controller was on the steering column and was tapped into the brake lines. I made a foolish decision to replace it with a 1978 Chevrolet Suburban 1/2 ton with a 3.07 ratio rear axle. It was never equal to the Travelall.
Our experience as well. Compared to the Travelall, the Suburbans were completely gutless. One coughed and wheezed in Low 2 the entire way up the mountain into Yellowstone. I am surprised we even made it over the hill. The IHC would have made it without incident.
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Old 04-07-2021, 11:34 AM   #34
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70 - 80s tow vehicles

Wow, what an interesting topic. In 73, pulling a 1973- 31í AS we began with a 73 Chrysler Town and Country station wagon, 440 magnum, Torgueflight auto, 3.08 gear. Up Black Mountain in NC, no prob, just add gas. Then 78 GMC 1/2 ton pick up with 350 (190 smog horse power), Turbo 350 auto, 3.73 gear. Gear really helped. Then 82 Surburban 1/2 ton, 6.2 diesel (great mileage- almost no power), 700R4 auto (I think), 3.73 gear. Then in 1987, pulling a 1987 34í AS with 1987 Surburban 1/2 ton, 350, 700R4 auto, 3.73 gear. Went over the Rockies to Alaska, no prob. Not a stump puller, but an excellent blend of power and mileage. Stable and comfortable with Reese hitch on all. That concludes the 70 & 80s so I will stop there. No judgement on the big truck crowd and the newer AS are heavier per size and we are still pulling the 87 34í AS. Happy Travels!!
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Old 04-07-2021, 12:47 PM   #35
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My dad used a 64 Ford country squire 11 passenger wagon with the 390.
When that was used up he bought a 74 Dodge Power Wagon 4x4 3/4t Extra Cab. He wanted the Ford but they didn't offer the Super Cab in 4x4, and his dealer said they wouldn't be for many years. Trying to push him into something else he had on the lot.
Ford made the Super Cab in 4wd in 75. :-(
The Dodge was a lemon, finally replaced in 81 with a lightly used 80 F250 Super Cab 4x4 with the 351m both trucks were 4spd. The wagon had the automatic, and I still have the trophy from the year he ran G-stock automatic at Mission dragstrip LoL.

I don't remember anything about the trailer, just that it was "the silver one" it was totalled on the Hope Prinston highway when a transport truck thought the rest stop pull out was his lane on the highway. Apparently little to no damage to the wagon, but Dad went truck shopping right after that.
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Do any of you recall seeing the AS commercial or advertisement claiming they could be towed behind a bicycle?
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These days I see a lot of debate about which monster truck is best to pull my
Airstream. But what about "back in the day"? What did you (or your parents or grandparents) use back in the 70s and 80s?

Please no criticisms (unless you are criticizing yourself). We know that most of you would never consider towing with THAT today...
Well according to the spec and data driven Type A's on this page I did the utterly impossible when my family and I crossed America in 2002 through 21 states and 5 provinces crossing the Rockies 4 times and all over all kinds of mountains in Alaska. In a Chevy Van 1500 towing an overstuffed 27 foot 72 International Overlander Airstream. Listening to these folks what I did was like a journey to Mars in a Piper Cub. That being said I was slow going up the mountains and slow coming down. And pepper was used for a dodgy radiator about 15 times.
It was glorious. Drive like your family's life is on the line and its all good.
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Old 04-07-2021, 05:06 PM   #38
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Love this post!!!!!!
My dad pulled a 27 foot with a 1978 Dodge Van, then a 1980 Ford Van with a Diesel under the hood. That pulled really well. I will look for pictures.
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1968 Lincoln Continental towing a 16ft Aristocrat trailer with an attached awning w sidewalls as an exterior room. The trailer had special metal wheels to replace the road wheels and tires that would lower the rig enough to fit in the garage.
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https://www.airforums.com/forums/f46...ars-44920.html


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