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Old 05-01-2019, 10:27 AM   #21
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Our FB 27 and 27 Fb are both over 1000 lbs hitch weight. The 25 weighed in at 1300lbs. That is lower than others have accounted for. We had a 900 lb hitch rating and were just sold pur TV and went with a 350 diesel. We did that to have zero issues with hitch weight, cargo capacity. Best thing we ever did. Out 27 FB tows like a dream with a blue ox. If you exceed to weight capacity, you are not towing safely. Just an FYI on agreeing with others that hitch and trailer weights are not what are posted from airstream.
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Old 05-01-2019, 10:40 AM   #22
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Greetings and thanks for that info. I was hoping this would be a fix for our sag problem. Are these the airbags you used. And do you put 30lbs of air in when you tow? Did you install them yourself?



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Old 05-01-2019, 11:27 AM   #23
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Don’t be afraid to crank the bars tighter. Use the power tongue jack to get more links. I used to run my 1000# bars with my Blue Ox the 11th link from the loose end with only 1-1/2 links showing under the latches when connected. This was with a Titan XD and it handled like it was on rails with full FALR (front axle weight restoration) for 30,000 miles . I even ran on the 12th link with my F250. You should be able to easily level your rig with your hitch.
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:51 AM   #24
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Greetings and thanks for that info. I was hoping this would be a fix for our sag problem. Are these the airbags you used. And do you put 30lbs of air in when you tow? Did you install them yourself?



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Those will not work for your truck - they are for the previous generation armada, which I have also owned.

Listen carefully now, you are not addressing the problem by adding additional air bags - the problem is weight distribution, and moving weight off the rear axle, distributing it more evenly on the front axle and back onto the trailer axles.

If all you do is pump up the rear with additional suspension you’re not taking load off the rear axle and you will exceed its limits putting yourself and your family in serious jeopardy with an overloaded tire blowout because you’ve got too much weight on the rear axle.

Measure that tongue weight using a tongue scale or drive through a CAT scale and get some weights. If your trailer tongue weigh is > 1,000 lbs you need to seriously reconsider your choice of tow vehicle. Your receiver on the current generation armada is rated for 850 lbs. It’s well built and stout but I certainly wouldn’t try and throw 1,300lbs on it with WD. Only a 3/4 ton and 1 ton truck has a factory receiver designed for that type of weight, and the twisting forces of weight distribution with that much tongue weight.

Be safe.
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:58 AM   #25
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We have a 2006 Infiniti QX56 so I'm not sure if the air suspension is the same. If it is, the air suspension is not made to handle that kind of weight for any length of time. I added the Firestone air bags to the inside of the coils and that solved the sagging. Use 0 lbs. PSI when not hooked up and 30 lbs. psi when towing. This takes the strain off of the air suspension. The tongue weight of ours is right around 1,100 lbs.


The air suspension (and overall suspension design) on the current generation armada/qx is different from the previous generation you own. I’ve owned both.
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:45 PM   #26
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2018 Nissan Armada really bad sagging

We have a 2917 Nissan Armada and a 2017 Flying Cloud 27FB, and the Blue Ox system that the dealer put on when we purchased. No sagging at all. We use the 6th link from the end on the bar chain when hooking up.
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Old 05-01-2019, 02:16 PM   #27
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I started with the 9th link from the free end in the notch. (That's how Blue Ox tells you to count, not about links "showing" under the cam which you can't see until you have it locked in, etc. but it works out to seeing about 3.5 links under the cam) I felt like it wasn't returning enough weight to the steering axle, and scales agreed. I have 1000-lb bars with about 950 lb tongue (loaded for travel) and Blue Ox customer support said to try putting the 10th link in the notch before going up a bar size. That brought my steer axle back to within 20 lb of the truck-only value, and settle the rig down nicely.
Sounds right...BO folks I talked with used links from end and also said 3.5 showing was what I should look for when set up properly with my F150. I could not get there on my F250....started with 5.5 showing and experienced the porposing in the front; talked to them again and was told 3.5 should show. I told them 4.5 showing seemed to work and they said the 3.5 was "typical" but some times may be more or less...I mark my hook point on the chains with tywraps and double check how many showing each time I hook up...works for me. Scale weights I have posted here seem accurate for distribution on the TV.
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Old 05-01-2019, 02:43 PM   #28
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Thanks so much for that info. I will be returning home tomorrow morning and will try it then.
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I have a 2018 Armada SL. After talking with Andy Thompson he suggested going to an extra load tire with a stiffer sidewall, it is a lower profile than the stock OEM’s. The Bridgestone tires are too soft and not good for towing in my opinion. Goin to an extra load tire helped eliminate sag combined with proper WD adjustments. My hitch is a EAZ with 1200lb bars and 2 friction sway controls. Hitch weight is 900 lbs with my triple axle, it actually helps excess tongue weight.
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Note: This pic was before Adjustments to put more weight on the front axle
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The Extra load tires handle great BTW
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Old 05-01-2019, 06:36 PM   #32
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Hello.

This is a "two-fer". This is my first post, but I have been lurking for some time. I felt this was the post for me to take the time to introduce myself and assist if possible.

This past August, we became the proud owners of a Flying Cloud 25 FB Twin. We love it, and after apprehensions about towing for the first time, I can say it's becoming somewhat easier. We have taken a few short trips and recently took a 13 hour drive to Disney's Fort Wilderness. Even had to outrun a tornado on the way back through Georgia.

Now, all that being said, when we bought our Airstream, we towed it with our late model Infiniti qx56, same as the current model style QX80...pre Armada platform, but which I'm assuming you have, late model that is.

The Airstream dealer provided an anti-sway and weight distribution hitch with the sale (at an additional cost no doubt).

Initially, what we found in our travels was we had the capability to tow comfortably, because we did not know what to expect. Once on the highway we experienced the vacuums created by large trucks passing and the softness of the "luxurious" Infiniti air suspension. We found that unloaded, the TV settled nicely and you could hear the air suspension working. When loaded up with necessary tools, peripherals, equipment, and stuff in the back of the "truck" things became a little more evident. The air suspension could not compensate and we experienced a significant rear squat. This also increased the handling challenges at higher speeds.

Being new to towing and having my family aboard I wasn't comfortable. Just being honest. So I bought a 2018 Ford 350 dually and I'm happy I did. For me it came down to compensating for my lack of experience and having the right tool (albeit overkill) for the job.

That being said, I've met and seen Airstream owners towing with a lot less than the abilities of the QX56/80. Just depends on your comfort levels. But what you are experiencing is normal from the performance stand point. Hope I helped. I also wondered about If I "had enough"
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Old 05-02-2019, 03:26 AM   #33
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Thanks...I am completely baffled now with all the info.
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Old 05-02-2019, 05:32 AM   #34
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Thanks...I am completely baffled now with all the info.


It is a lot of info. One suggestion for parsing all the replies:

I think replies 2, 4, and 24 are foundational. My recommendation would be to read those three and start there. When you have the scale data (reply 2), then you can determine whether you’re asking too much from your hitch receiver (reply 24) and if not, then you can apply all the advice given by current Blue Ox owners about how to set the WD (without the airbags - reply 4).

If your tongue weight is significantly beyond the capacity of your tow vehicle, you would need to consider different equipment.

Take it a step at a time. Good luck!
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Old 05-02-2019, 06:09 AM   #35
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Thanks...I am completely baffled now with all the info.
I’m sorry we confused you. I would start by getting the rig level. Adjust the ball height and the weight distribution until the tow vehicle is level and the Airstream is level. Slightly nose low on the Airstream is ok. Slightly lower in the back of the tow vehicle is also ok. Don’t be afraid to use as many links of the chains as needed to achieve a level rig.

After you get the rig level, go for a test drive. If you like how it handles, go weigh the rig at a CAT scale. One pass only with the tow vehicle rear tires on a single scale section. If the CAT scale weight on the rear axle section is below your tow vehicle’s rear axle weight rating, you passed the most critical step.

So get the rig nearly level, test drive to confirm good handling, check the weight on the tow vehicle rear axle. If you do these things, you will be far better off than 95% of travel trailers I see going down the road.

Sure I would like to see you perform a three pass scale weighing. I’ve done my rig more than a dozen times while tweaking the hitch. But if that is overwhelming, I would suggest to start with the basics I described above.
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Wow, I have a headache and I am just reading through all this stuff. I think there is a solution out there for you considering all those who are towing with a similar vehicle.


I have a 25FB that I tow with my Tundra. The Tundra has less carrying capacity then your stated numbers. I have measured my tongue weight a few times over the years and mine comes in right at 950 lbs. I have two propane tanks, two batteries and a spare tire all sitting on the tongue. I used the formula for weighing trailers as provided in this forum. Perhaps those who say they have a 1300 lb TW are using a different system.


I do believe that a good WD hitch is the key. I liked the video because it reinforced a belief I have regarding air bags. An air bag might make your TV look level but it does not protect your rear axle from overloading, it does not return weight to the front axle and.....it is not a system I would depend on over time. Get your actual TW figured. Check the limits of your hitch and then set up the WD system to level the trailer. AFTER all of that, if you want to add a few pounds of air, it probably wouldn't hurt.
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Very nice looking set up......Thanks for the info
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Also went up 1 more link on the Blue Ox and it towed level and true even going 65/70 with trucks passing.
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Also trying to lighten the tongue weight further bu emptying the 2 propane tanks. We don't hardly ever use it since we go from full hook up to another. Any good ideas how I can get rid of 90% of my propane? Thanks
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Also trying to lighten the tongue weight further bu emptying the 2 propane tanks. We don't hardly ever use it since we go from full hook up to another. Any good ideas how I can get rid of 90% of my propane? Thanks
Your set up sounds/looks fine from what you described now and pics...but you should get to the scales when you can. Propane is handy for fridge while traveling, furnace heat, and of course, the stove for cooking...but that's just how we roll.
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