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Old 09-23-2017, 08:24 AM   #101
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There is a formula which I do not recall that a given length of the breaker bar will give x amount of torque.
Required torque/Body Weight = factor x's 12

Example: 320ft lbs/200 = 1.6 x 12 = 19.2 inches

So 200 lb's static (not jumping up and down) load at 19 inches on a bar will generate 320 ft lbs torque.
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:25 AM   #102
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I would like to hear about owners experiences with the Tow Technology Package at almost $2000. My understanding the cameras only work when the vehicle is moving at less than 6 mph and you can't turn on the optional trailer camera (another $725) as you are driving down the road. Also, it doesn't seem to be any value to the center high-mount stop lamp camera if you have a canopy which would block the camera view. Seems like a lot of money for limited value. Adaptive steering, automatic high beam with rain-sensing windshield wipers, lane departure warning included in the package add some value but I'm not sure it's still worth it.

I'm also disappointed with the lack of recording ability of the forward or any cameras. Since the popularity of dash cams have skyrocketed, I'm surprised vehicle manufacturers haven't caught on.
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Just moved up from a 2006 Chevy 2500 HD Duramax to 2017 Ford F250 SD Lariat. I have been using my Equal-izer setup for 11 years and now contemplating adding this hitch into the mix. Basically I'd move the Equal-zer hitch head over to this "shank" setup and then balance the truck/trailer combo.

https://genyhitch.com/the-hitch-stor...ibution-hitch/

Also check out this video on solving the truck safety chain hook-up.


I'm following this thread closely to learn what others have done. Great info.
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Old 09-24-2017, 06:34 AM   #104
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I would like to hear about owners experiences with the Tow Technology Package at almost $2000. My understanding the cameras only work when the vehicle is moving at less than 6 mph and you can't turn on the optional trailer camera (another $725) as you are driving down the road. Also, it doesn't seem to be any value to the center high-mount stop lamp camera if you have a canopy which would block the camera view. Seems like a lot of money for limited value. Adaptive steering, automatic high beam with rain-sensing windshield wipers, lane departure warning included in the package add some value but I'm not sure it's still worth it.

I'm also disappointed with the lack of recording ability of the forward or any cameras. Since the popularity of dash cams have skyrocketed, I'm surprised vehicle manufacturers haven't caught on.
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Probably better to keep this part of it in the thread you started with a duplicate of this post. Bottom line seems to be that everybody likes the cameras.

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Old 09-24-2017, 07:02 AM   #105
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Could someone draw a diagram of that safety chain fix? Not sure I understand the video.
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Old 09-24-2017, 12:43 PM   #106
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Also check out this video on solving the truck safety chain hook-up.
Thanks for posting the video. Is this actually a problem everyone is experiencing with AS safety chains and the new F250 receiver?
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This is an issue for both the 2016/2017 Ford and Chevy diesel pickups. Don't know about 1/2 ton trucks. Totally unacceptable. I saw this issue on my uncles 2016 Chevy 2500 HD. I was thinking this is a huge safety issue. He's in his late 70's and he's struggling to get the safety chains connected/disconnected and he's seriously thinking about selling his camping equipment. I'm looking at removing the hitch from the truck and having a 1/4' steel plate welded horizontally on the bottom and then install the Crosby hooks bolted in (vertically) facing downward.
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I have a 2017 F350 and have not had a issue with my safety chains.
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Old 09-24-2017, 06:51 PM   #109
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This is an issue for both the 2016/2017 Ford and Chevy diesel pickups. Don't know about 1/2 ton trucks. Totally unacceptable.
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I have a 2017 F350 and have not had a issue with my safety chains.
I guess I'll have to wait to get my 2017 F250 and hope for the best.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:27 AM   #110
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I have a 2017 F-250. There's no problem with safety chains on mine. Stock AS chains and a sock receiver. They go on, they come off. No more of a struggle than the chains on most lash ups.

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Old 09-25-2017, 10:55 AM   #111
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Good to hear. Thanks.
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Old 09-25-2017, 12:39 PM   #112
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F250 update...

Arrived back in Austin yesterday, after 4 months and 15K miles on our 2017 F250 4x4 diesel King Ranch. We also put 7.5k miles on our new 2017 28' Flying Cloud twin since picking it up in Oregon in June. We pulled up/down all over WA, OR, ID, MT, UT, WY, NM, and Texas this summer!

The extra foot in the F250 over the F150 and the extra 2 feet in the 28' AS over the 25' AS was an adjustment for sure in maneuvering. But, overall, we love, love, love the F250 for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread! The cameras, the power, the handling, and stability is amazing! We set the cruise control and engine brake, select tow-haul mode when we start out and the truck pretty much does everything automatically from then on. It maintains speed, braking, safe distance, and alerts you of lane change if your not signaling. It also watches the blind spots, and will stop you if someone swerves in front of you; very impressive technology! We both felt very secure in heavy winds or around the big semis passing us...no sway whatsoever.

The truck loafs along at 1600-1800 RPMs at highway speeds, with an average of 13-13.3MPG towing. (15-16mpg when not loaded) I carry either a Canoe or 2 kayaks (100lbs), the Champion Dual Fuel generator(95lbs), and another 150-200lbs of gear; total around 350-400 lbs~ in the bed. I have not hooked up the automatic parking aid yet, but that is next.

We also got the BlueOx dialed in now with the 1500# bars which seemed a bit stiff at first. I questioned BlueOx several times at first, but with the 28' weight at 1100 tongue weight they assured me they were the right size for my setup. Indeed, they are working fine now, and I can hitch/un-hitch completely in less then 3 minuets. (I did get a 20" Craftsman 3/4' drive breaker bar along with a 1" socket on Amazon which helps set tension.)

Overall, we are extremely happy with both the F250 and the 28'AS!
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Old 09-25-2017, 01:21 PM   #114
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Arrived back in Austin yesterday, after 4 months and 15K miles on our 2017 F250 4x4 diesel King Ranch. We also put 7.5k miles on our new 2017 28' Flying Cloud twin since picking it up in Oregon in June. We pulled up/down all over WA, OR, ID, MT, UT, WY, NM, and Texas this summer!

The extra foot in the F250 over the F150 and the extra 2 feet in the 28' AS over the 25' AS was an adjustment for sure in maneuvering. But, overall, we love, love, love the F250 for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread! The cameras, the power, the handling, and stability is amazing! We set the cruise control and engine brake, select tow-haul mode when we start out and the truck pretty much does everything automatically from then on. It maintains speed, braking, safe distance, and alerts you of lane change if your not signaling. It also watches the blind spots, and will stop you if someone swerves in front of you; very impressive technology! We both felt very secure in heavy winds or around the big semis passing us...no sway whatsoever.

The truck loafs along at 1600-1800 RPMs at highway speeds, with an average of 13-13.3MPG towing. (15-16mpg when not loaded) I carry either a Canoe or 2 kayaks (100lbs), the Champion Dual Fuel generator(95lbs), and another 150-200lbs of gear; total around 350-400 lbs~ in the bed. I have not hooked up the automatic parking aid yet, but that is next.

Overall, we are extremely happy with both the F250 and the 28'AS!
Nice write up! I was interested to read your positive comments regarding adaptive cruise as I had read a few negatives about how the system reacted in some situations. I'm glad it's working well for you and hope that I don't regret not ordering it on my 2017 4x4 F250 diesel Platinum.
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Old 09-25-2017, 04:03 PM   #115
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Nice write up! I was interested to read your positive comments regarding adaptive cruise as I had read a few negatives about how the system reacted in some situations. I'm glad it's working well for you and hope that I don't regret not ordering it on my 2017 4x4 F250 diesel Platinum.
Setting the distance is important, and watching the traffic situation is important also. For instance, if it is a very busy freeway with folks cutting in/out without signaling, if you have the distance set very far between you and car in front, someone can cut in closer, and you will slow down real quick...so I adjust the distance between as traffic conditions dictate. None of this is a replacement for heads up driving; but it sure is nice when you are on a long stretch of highway, going up/down mountains with normal traffic...I can go from 60 down to 50 with a few clicks of my thumb, never touching the brakes....and back up again. Buddy was following me in his Class A MH and said he was amazed he never saw my bake lights when we were driving through the mountains outside Coeur d'Alene ID. ...
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Watching your speedometer is also important.If you get behind a person that slows down or come up on one going slow the truck gradually slows down and you won't realize that you have traveled that last 20 miles at 50 mph on the interstate.
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So this seems to apply nicely to what I'm going to be doing, following the advice about lighter bars with the Equalizer WD hitch...

Is there any concensus about the bars that would be safe for the Airstream out there?

Getting a : FC25(FB), starting tongue weight ~837 (understand may approach 1100 fully loaded in use)
2017 F-250 6.2L gas (wanted payload capacity to spare and I'm a rather sedate driver so not scared of pickup trucks - concerns noted Slowmover )

All you folks with setups similar to my anticipated rig please chime in and let me know (if using the Equalizer) your chosen bar weight/strength , want to avoid learning from costly mistakes and instead learn from the accumulated Wisdom and prior experience of all those who've spoken up about the needs as it relates to this new 2017 F-250.

Many thanks, look forward to your input.

Actually,tips for adjusting the Equalizer in my specific situation would be very valuable as well !!! I saw comments about this but how about it, only a couple weeks out for delivery of the FC25.....

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Old 09-26-2017, 08:41 AM   #118
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I've used the following combinations:

25' trailer
F150 with 600 lb bars

30' trailer
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F150 with 1000 lb bars
F250 with 1000 lb bars

Based on my experience id go with 1000 lb bars.
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Indeed, heavier bars are going to put more force on the A frame of the trailer. That may not be as apparent as the dishes rattling around. It is expensive to repair down the road.

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