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Old 09-19-2013, 05:23 AM   #61
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"the bump will be forceful enough to push the rear of the TV off of straight ahead. Obviously this will scare the heck out of you and can lead to loss of directional control.


This is a big statement. Are you sure of it? The distance travelled by the trailer in the even of "linkage collapse" is pretty small."

From my experience, it is more of an unpleasant surprise that might make you THINK you have lost control, but every one of the events I have experienced have fortunately been at low speeds. But, you definitely know when it happens, and you definitely know something is wrong with the hitch because you can feel in the steering the hitch trying to turn the tow vehicle, and you can see the trailer hanging out to one side behind the tow vehicle.

This is with the ProPride when the yoke slips. I suppose that it would be much worse with a Hensley if one of the struts breaks.
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Old 09-19-2013, 05:28 AM   #62
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POI....I've never used the haha without the TruCrontrol. There is no delay.
The moment the pedal is depressed the display will show the amperage being supplied, well before master cylinder pressure.
The only time I've experienced the "bump" was when the struts/hitch head was loose or not centered properly.
Even on the lowest controller setting....no bump.

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Bob, I used the ProPride for many, many miles behind my '08 GMC 2500 with the factory brake controller, and I never had this problem.

The only thing I ever experienced with the GMC was sort of a whiplash sensation if I accelerated too quickly out of a tight turn.

There's no doubt in my mind the problem is with this new Ram brake controller.
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Old 09-19-2013, 09:12 AM   #63
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Then, since the PP is actually trying to turn the TV, you feel it in the steering wheel, you can see the trailer tracking to whichever side it slipped to, and you have to find a parking place to readjust it.

I believe it would be a safety hazard if this scenario presented itself in wet weather even with a conventional type WD hitch.
I have experienced this exact same scenario with a Prodigy controller (that I eventually replaced) and the HAHA.
You are correct, it is un-nerving, have experienced it a few times and it is a negative to the PPP type hitches. As a positive aspect it also lets the driver know if the brakes and brake controller are adjusted correctly.
Before I replaced the Prodigy controller I adjusted the trailer brakes and then simulated a panic stop. The trailer swung around violently enough to shear the bolts on the Hensley strut brackets.

Is there a way you could meet the technician near the dealership where there is easier access for the truck and trailer?
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Old 09-19-2013, 09:35 AM   #64
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the bump will be forceful enough to push the rear of the TV off of straight ahead. Obviously this will scare the heck out of you and can lead to loss of directional control.


This is a big statement. Are you sure of it? The distance travelled by the trailer in the even of "linkage collapse" is pretty small.

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I am not sure what the highlighted statement is saying.

I have never had it happen when I was making a high speed panic stop.
My two experiences have been:

Coming down a mountain pass, going about 40 MPH I applied the brakes, I immediately felt a forceful push from the back and found myself heading to the left. Since I was going fairly slow and not braking hard, it was correctable before I crossed the yellow line. I was able to slow and pull over. The cause was a loose nut on the terminal strip where the umbilical cord is attached to the trailer wiring.

The other time, we had forgotten to place the controller in boost mode. We were driving about 55 MPH down a not at all steep hill, when the car in front of us slowed drastically and abruptly. The result was similar, A bump accompanied by a swerve to the left.

I have thankfully not had a complete trailer brake failure and the need to make a panic stop at the same time. Therefor I am only guessing based on extrapolation what that would be like if one was going 65 or 70 down a typical flatland interstate hill when the car in front makes a panic stop.

The only part of my statement that I am not certain about is whether not there will be a complete lose of control. I am certain there can be, if the driver does not react quickly and appropriately.

"can lead to loss of directional control"
This phrase was intended to apply when the driver is surprised enough to panic and not react quickly and appropriately.
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A non-event

I once made a really hard stop with the brakes totally inoperative (Prodigy was removed and, on re-installation, the gain was accidentally zeroed). I got the bump hard enough to move the bar that positions the yoke all the way to one side. I had very little steering input from the trailer and barely moved in the lane before I put in a steering correction.

I had to go some distance to get off the road and I did not notice any appreciable extra drag or steering correction needed. The trailer appeared to tow straight, but slightly offset to the truck.

This was with my 2007 extended cab Silverado diesel and my Classic 28 at about 8000#.
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Is there a way you could meet the technician near the dealership where there is easier access for the truck and trailer?
Chrysler service has suggested this, and since I have made three vehicular trips of about 60 miles each to get this problem addressed, and since there is no way I could even park the truck and trailer anywhere near the dealership, I suggested they come to my location to take another look and a ride.

At this time we have a tentative meeting scheduled for next week. However, I'm convinced by their previous actions that this also will be an attempt to white wash over the problem.
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Hmmmm ...interesting read. We don't have a PP (wanted to buy one) but probably will not buy one after reading and letting this sink in. We do have a Ram 2500 but have never had the factory brake controller set above 4.5 * (usually 3.5) which is tested and set at the beginning of each towing ... both uphill and downhill with very smooth, predictable braking results...46 trips this season !
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By all means. If you think the PP won't work, it probably won't. Confidence is a large part of the equation.

I believe the consensus is it's a controller/program problem. We are hoping that Chrysler can resolve it.
If they were smart they would come with an after-market unit, install it and find out once and for all if it's the on-board BC or not.

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I only experienced the bump once, with my previous Kelsey controller. Since I got my DirecLink, the delay is shorter, and the precision of the settings on the Direclink seem to provide a much better initial apply.

I, too, think your issue is controller related.

BTW, a thorough bleeding of the AS hydraulics will help. I did find some air in the system, which exacerbated the delay issue.
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Duz the 2010 have disc brakes?
I thought they went back to the drums by then.

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I thought it was 2011 or 12.
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Well I'm sure the OP knows for sure.

2009/2010? was when I was considering the up-grade for our Classic. Called AS and was told the disc's were no longer being used... changed my mind.

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Duz the 2010 have disc brakes?
I thought they went back to the drums by then.

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No, my trailer has electric drum brakes.

And by the way, I've not seen hide nor hair of the Chrysler Service people who were supposed to call and come over this week. We're going to a rally leaving tomorrow, but you can bet I'll be back on the phone Monday morning.
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Duz the 2010 have disc brakes?
I thought they went back to the drums by then.

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I don't know when they changed to drums , but 2010 is the first year for Dexter nev-r-adjust drum brakes.

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Well I'm sure the OP knows for sure.

2009/2010? was when I was considering the up-grade for our Classic. Called AS and was told the disc's were no longer being used... changed my mind.

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I was at the Airstream Service Center last year and they were offering a dis brake upgrade, with a display in the lobby. I have no idea what the brand was.

Questions. Does anybody have this upgrade? Does it have the usual hydraulic trailer disc delay? Would we lose the Never Lube bearings?

I have a ProPride hitch and 2012 Ram 1500 factory brake controller with a setting for elect and elect/hydraulic. Works good with the electric brakes; I wonder how it would work with the hydraulic disc system?
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Isn't the upgrade axles and all? In which case, an upgrade can include Nev-r-lube. I believe the delay is a function of the actuator. How the different brands compare....I don't know. They really all need an accumulator like old auto hydraboost systems. Then there would be no delay while the pump spools up and builds pressure.

I thought Ram was fine....until this thread?????????
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Rich, Ram is fine for some of us. It's the op reporting the problem.
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I have 2012 2500hd Silverado.

I am experiencing same as OP. Truck has factory stock tuning and braking, etc.
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I have 2012 2500hd Silverado.

I am experiencing same as OP. Truck has factory stock tuning and braking, etc.
Drums or disc? GMs don't work with E/H until the 2014, 1500 new truck. HDs will get the ITBC/Electric/Hydraulic upgrade when the all new 2015s come out.
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