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Old 03-30-2003, 09:45 PM   #21
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Here's the Passenger Vans.

Here's the Commercial Vans.

The "250" is only on the commercial vans, and by it's 7200# GVWR, I'd say it ISN'T a Superduty, but based on what used to be the non-Heavy-Duty F250, that's now more appropriately named F150 with 7700 lb suspension, i.e. the 7 lug wheels, etc. In other words, I'd skip it.

I'd definitely NOT get the extended van since it doesn't increase wheelbase but does increase overhang.

As Mark mentioned, since mid-year 2001 production, the F250 and single-rear wheel F350 are essentially the same truck, except they jack up the rear of the SRW F350 with 3.5" blocks between the rear axles and springs to make it LOOK less loaded down. Most F250s have the same tires as the SRW F350, either as an option or standard on the F250 Lariet, but on the 250's, these tires, which are max inflation of 80 psi, are spec'ed to run at 70 psi, so the F250 would FEEL like it was softer. The GVWR of the F250 is 8800 and the SRW F350 is 9900 with the same components.

In other words, the E350 at 9400# GVWR probably has the same suspension as the F250 and SRW F350. It's firm, but not bad when empty, and perfect when towing. I run the rear tires down to 60 psi when not towing (and the fronts up to 60 psi).

The Rhino Lining might not be as quite or as good for heat or cold as the factory insulation package.

Keep in mind, the fewer windows, the less solar gain for the AC to have to deal with. Same can be said for "privacy glass" or a white or light vehicle, and I'm really partial to the silver truck with an Airstream.

That's the neat thing about a cargo van... you can customize it to carry what you want, including making secure areas to carry some Honda generators, etc.

As far as your money with the dealer for the towing stuff, I'd try to get it refunded, and order the Ford factory receiver hitch in addition to the towing package with the new van. Even though you're gonna wind up with a tow vehicle that weighs more than the trailer, I'd still recommend a Hensley hitch. They're awesome.

Hope this helps,
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Old 03-31-2003, 12:25 AM   #22
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A Nissan Quest can be more than suitable, as you will find out in many previous posts, so all this big & bigger discussion is misleading.
Your Ford van is quite enough. Don't panic & get influenced, ask a REAL professional for advice before spending big bucks.
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Old 03-31-2003, 07:53 AM   #23
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"Fortunately, Ford isn't putting the new, but buggy, 6.0L PSD in the E350 vans yet, because the van requires a special version of the diesel engine."


What do you mean by "buggy"? Is there a problem with the new 6.0 liter Powerstroke? I am not ready for a new truck yet but have been watching the development of the new PSD engine.

As for the E150 that princem has the only thing I don't like about it is the 4.6 engine. Not enough torque but should do the job.

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Old 03-31-2003, 10:10 AM   #24
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By "buggy" I mean about the same thing that you get with version X.0 of anything. If you read the dieselstop website, as well as some of the towing forums on other sites, I think you'll get the picture that this engine is having a bit more than the normal teething pains. I'm sure that it'll be a fine setup once they get the bugs worked out, but I wouldn't buy one now.

I don't think any of us really know how Millie's existing van will do with a loaded 25C, but she has the info on getting it weighed, and seeing where it is with respect to the limits.

In the end, it's probably lookin' at LT tires, new shocks, perhaps airbags, not to mention an axle ratio change (and I'd go with 4.10:1 given the 1000 rpm higher torque peak of the 4.6L compared to the 5.4L) if towing in the hills will be involved.
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Old 03-31-2003, 01:52 PM   #25
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Originally posted by qqq
A Nissan Quest can be more than suitable, as you will find out in many previous posts, so all this big & bigger discussion is misleading.
Your Ford van is quite enough. Don't panic & get influenced, ask a REAL professional for advice before spending big bucks.
Armchair specialists don't always know best

I agree with Hart on everything in this post. On Jupiter or Mars the Nissan Quest "can be more than suitible" due to the low gravity and less weight. On this planet however, gravity and weights being what they are, you'll find the majority of folks here would disagree that a Nissian Quest or any other car with similar size, build and power should be used to pull 6300lbs. The Quest weighs signigicantly less than 6300lbs where as the Ford in question is in the ballpark.

I don't consider the majority of the comments on this particular thread armchair either. I think there are some great posts here. I do think there are one or two armchair captains on this thread, but you can figure those out for yourself, the bulk are full of good advise.

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Old 04-01-2003, 05:15 AM   #26
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Earlier in this thread was the question :- "It's frightening to discover how little we know about all this. Can anyone recommend reading material on the subject-RVing for Dummies-perhaps"

I recently picked up a copy of this book in a public library. I opened it at random and saw a diagram entitled "Weight distibuting hitch." The diagram showed a standard hitch bolted to a frame, and it had "extra" bolts attaching it to the frame, (to distribute the weight?). No bars, nothing. So the author thinks that's a weight distributing hitch! I hurriedly put the book back on the shelf. Others may be able to recommend more suitable books, but a good start is to study and search this site, and ask the many wonderful, helpful people on this site when you need extra explanation. An enormous archive of Airstream material is available at http://www.tompatterson.com/Trailers/Trailers2.html. A treasure trove of experienced wisdom is at www.phrannie.org. Good luck. Nick.
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Old 01-17-2004, 02:23 PM   #27
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2003 F-250 Lariet S/D Crew-Cab 7.3 Diesel

After 3 1/2 ton tow units ('89-Chevy Astro/V-6, '94-F-150/4.9l-I-6, & a '00-1500-5.3l/V-8, the last 2 had air-bag suspension systems installed after market-all had original or after-mkt trans. coolers) we purchased an F-250 with the 7.3l diesel as our next tow unit. I did a lot of research into this decision as price was a concern but safety was a must. We used to tow sailboats around quite a bit and learned from those experiences. We are about to get a 25' Safari and plan to spend about 180 days a year on-the-road with it, we currently tow a 17' @ 3500lbs CAT cert. weight. The 7.3 F250 has a 3.73 ratio as opposed to the 350 with the 4.11's, approx. 9% less revs/mph. It is true that foaming can give you unrealistic readings on mpg but over 15K miles I have carefully calculated my mileage to be 17.3/7 mpg hwy when driven close to 2K rpm in o/d. When towing the 17'er through hills & sm. mtns. it drops to 12-13 mpg, level approx. 14-15. If I put my toe in it, less. The 7.3 is the last of the non-exhust gas recirculator diesels from Ford since the gvmt. regs went into effect in Nov. '02. The problems that are showing up in ALL the new diesels, Duramax, Cummins, and Ford are due to these new design requirements and the usual lag time in dealing with them. I shopped a long time to find a pre-11/'02 diesel because of that. The new diesels also use a dual-injection per power stroke scheme to reduce noise, also mandated by EPA. These are two major changes that will take time to work-out IMO! ...BUT I believe it is hard to beat a diesel as a tow vehicle, besides 300-500K miles of expected & usual life.
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