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10-16-2011, 08:26 AM
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#41
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3 Rivet Member
2009 23' FB Flying Cloud
The Woodlands
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 131
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Originally Posted by 62overlander
Also, all you bad mouthing Ovris must not actually fish. Well, maybe you fish, but you must not actually catch, because Orvis equipment ROCKS! Their flies and lures are pure fish magnets.
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Don't think anyone here said Orvis provides low quality goods or service. I have many Items from them that I am quite happy to own. However, they are in essence a "luxury" retailer. By definition, luxury reatilers seek exlusivity for their brand and that's OK, it just means that their products do not suit everyone's taste.
I'm sure the fine folks at Orvis are familiar with the sound sticker shock, and have learned to deal with it.
I really like my Orvis rods, reels, clothes. The reality still exists that my college roomate could still outfish me and my Hydros rig with a shoe lace tied to a Zebco Snoopy rod. That clearly says more about me than Orvis.
Back to the trailer. It does make me wonder what the price differential is between a moderate level TTT restoration vs. the MSRP on a new build. I suspect the two may be approaching each other, while the quality may be worlds apart.
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10-16-2011, 08:49 AM
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#42
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 62overlander
Considering the average restoration takes a professional shop 1200 hours+ how many could you actually build?(the hobby builder or shade tree restorer will easily triple that number of hours)
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Us shade tree guys need to work faster...
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10-16-2011, 09:04 AM
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#43
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,702
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The only Orvis I know anything about is Orvis Hot Springs near Ouray, Colorado. Most of it is clothing optional. This is not the same Orvis.
Next, Neiman Marcus used to send us catalogues years ago because my wife bought something there a few times. The cost of the catalogues must have been far more than the profit on what she bought. To do that means the markups must be very, very high. N-M always had a few one of a kind items for incredible amounts of money—this attracts attention, thus free publicity, and elevates the value of the other catalogue products sold in many people's opinion. Orvis apparently does a version of this type of marketing.
The TTT job looks cool, though not to my taste and it doesn't fit our needs. There are people with lots and lots of money (income differentials are higher than probably anytime in the past century) who can afford this and have no need to invest in more practical parts of the national economy. To me it is a sort of fantasy. I can build things that look pretty cool too. Like Frank says, it takes me a lot more time than a professional, but it looks cool. Do I need it? No. Does it make my wife happy? Yes. Time and money are not infinite, so there are limits.
Much has been said over the years about baby boomers. It is said they can't stop buying, have royal tastes and spend more than they have. So, if that is true (I am unsure myself) you could make this trailer an example of baby boomer excess. Or you can make it out to be a symptom of an economy slanted toward the 1% (or 2% or 5%). And it may be so…
But I think it is just a marketing ploy by a catalogue company.
Gene
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10-16-2011, 09:20 AM
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#44
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Restorations done right
Commercial Member
1962 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Baltimore
, Maryland
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,545
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerboy
I did elaborate frank, I said it was envy......
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Sorry, my apologizes, I read Not sure that was bad mouthing,or envy Frank as Not sure that was bad mouthing or envy instead of Not sure that was bad mouthing, it was envy... My total bad there.
To distill what I was trying to say;
At the current bid of $60k it is still below a new Airstream of the same size.
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10-16-2011, 09:56 AM
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#45
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Moderator
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 62overlander
Sorry, my apologizes, I read Not sure that was bad mouthing,or envy Frank as Not sure that was bad mouthing or envy instead of Not sure that was bad mouthing, it was envy... My total bad there.
To distill what I was trying to say;
At the current bid of $60k it is still below a new Airstream of the same size.
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I would point out that at the $60,000 bid, reserve is not met so that's not a valid comparison. I don't think anyone's actually paying the $60+k list for a new 23 footer, either.
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10-16-2011, 09:58 AM
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
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It doesn't have to be one or the other
Quote:
Originally Posted by 62overlander
Sorry, my apologizes, I read Not sure that was bad mouthing,or envy Frank as Not sure that was bad mouthing or envy instead of Not sure that was bad mouthing, it was envy... My total bad there.
To distill what I was trying to say;
At the current bid of $60k it is still below a new Airstream of the same size.
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It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Envy is an emotion. One that the holder can choose to express or contain within themselves.
Bad mouthing is just one of many ways that envy and some other emotions can be expressed.
So both can be right.............. or maybe wrong.
I agree that the money invested in this project, is probably considerably in excess of what the final bid will be, but Orvis has a good advertising write off.
Concerning the mention of buying an empty shell from Airstream and having it built to spec by a an outside builder:
There is at least one person who has posted on the forums that has done this. However I doubt seriously that they will jump into this simmering cauldron to tell us about it.
Ken
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10-16-2011, 10:16 AM
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#47
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3 Rivet Member
2009 23' FB Flying Cloud
The Woodlands
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by w7ts
However I doubt seriously that they will jump into this simmering cauldron to tell us about it.
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No, but I'm sure we'll find someone here to stir the pot before all is said and done.
Anyone, anyone
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10-16-2011, 10:34 AM
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Moderator
2006 19' International CCD
Olathe
, Kansas
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,224
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It's a nice AS and if someone has enough money to buy it (someone will) then I'm happy for them. Not in my price range but if I ever buy a lottery ticket ... Maybe.
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10-16-2011, 11:03 AM
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Rivet Master
1988 25' Excella
1987 32' Excella
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,103
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Have seen a 30 ft that TTT did from a new shell. Whaterver it cost it was "worth it" to the folks who have it. Not something I could afford, but a very nice classic looking airstream fitted for a special interest. Yeah, I have tossed a lot of Orvis flies, leaders, and lines, and have one of their rods. Will not be bidding on the trailer though.
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10-16-2011, 11:15 AM
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#50
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hansom-Man
No, but I'm sure we'll find someone here to stir the pot before all is said and done.
Anyone, anyone
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I guess I'm losing my touch. That's what I thought I was doing.
Ken
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10-16-2011, 12:09 PM
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#51
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by w7ts
I guess I'm losing my touch. That's what I thought I was doing.
Ken
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Here's how to do it—does it come with a WBCCI membership?
Gene
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10-16-2011, 12:23 PM
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CrawfordGene
Here's how to do it—does it come with a WBCCI membership?
Gene
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hehe...
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10-16-2011, 12:54 PM
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#53
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CrawfordGene
Here's how to do it—does it come with a WBCCI membership?
Gene
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Sensei,
I concede to your superior pot stirring skills.
Ken
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10-16-2011, 01:00 PM
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#54
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Rivet Master
2003 22' International CCD
Kiln
, Mississippi
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,779
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Well, if it's an Orvis pot then none of us can afford the food.......
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10-16-2011, 01:14 PM
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#55
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Quote:
Originally Posted by clancy_boy
Well, if it's an Orvis pot then none of us can afford the food.......
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No Problem
We'll buy the food at Walmart............. while we're camping there in the trailer.
Ken
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10-16-2011, 03:14 PM
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#56
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by w7ts
Walmart
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More pot stirring, worthy of a trip to the dispensary*.
Gene
*This best appreciated if you live in Colorado or California.
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10-16-2011, 07:13 PM
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#57
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Rivet Master
1963 19' Globetrotter
Currently Looking...
Orion
, Illinois
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 714
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This trailer should look like a bargin to guys that are dumb enough to pay outrageous prices for a glorified cane pole i.e. flyrod .
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10-16-2011, 07:36 PM
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#58
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
HOUSE SPRINGS
, MO
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 625
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Beautiful job TTT!
Tina
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1959 Avion e-20
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10-16-2011, 07:55 PM
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#59
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2 Rivet Member
1965 17' Caravel
Sequim
, Washington
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 35
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It's beautiful. The bid is now $60,000 and the reserve has not been met. Wow.
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10-16-2011, 10:36 PM
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#60
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
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My WAG is that it will hit at least $70k, likely $75k.
The "different" factor is just waaaay stronger than any other TT.
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