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Old 06-08-2020, 08:38 PM   #241
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Cvliv needs to improve his human assessment skills. I ain't amazing. Just an ordinary old geezer who enjoys working with his hands and staying busy. We did have a lot of fun during the project, especially keeping tracks of "you moron" events; like going to home depoop, shopping for 40 minutes, and then finding out in the checkout lane that I forgot my wallet. Moron.

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Old 06-08-2020, 11:08 PM   #242
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My personal favorite is getting home from a supply run just to figure out you forgot to get what you went out for in the first place.

Glad the first flight went well!
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Old 06-09-2020, 10:12 AM   #243
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Hi dw: I happened to see a 67 Trade Wind on my way home yesterday. He was stopped at the gas station. I stopped to say hi. He had just purchased the thing and was on his "recovery" mission taking it home. The body was in good shape with all the Corning curved glass windows present and accounted for. It is going to be a good renovation / restoration project if he so decides. The mid sixties Trade Winds are one of my favorite vintage trailers. I went to the seventies trailers as they have the new body style and parts are easier to come by. But maybe they aren't as neat. Here is a photo of my 66 Trade Wind.

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Old 06-09-2020, 05:30 PM   #244
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Hi dw: I happened to see a 67 Trade Wind on my way home yesterday. He was stopped at the gas station. I stopped to say hi. He had just purchased the thing and was on his "recovery" mission taking it home. The body was in good shape with all the Corning curved glass windows present and accounted for. It is going to be a good renovation / restoration project if he so decides. The mid sixties Trade Winds are one of my favorite vintage trailers. I went to the seventies trailers as they have the new body style and parts are easier to come by. But maybe they aren't as neat. Here is a photo of my 66 Trade Wind.



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Your 66 looks great! Im hoping I can get mine looking that sharp in the next few years!
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Old 06-15-2020, 08:42 PM   #245
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Spinning my Wheels

No vintage Airstream project is ever done. But the Sovereign is now at my friend's place. They report all systems are working okay so far.

My problem is after 8 months working on the Sovereign nearly every day I find myself with nothing to do!!!! I can't get motivated to start some other project I do need to get done. It's like "school is out, now what?" Or maybe like a lot of folks in the Covid lockup, completely thrown out of the routine. Now what?

I have my Overlander in the shop and have a list of things it needs. We hope to take it out to a Colorado state park this summer. As they say, traveling in an Airstream is likely less risky than restaurants, motels and airplanes. At least you have your own vehicle, bath, kitchen, sitting area and bedroom. And seeing other people outdoors is a bit let risky also. We'll see if we go out.

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Old 06-29-2020, 09:45 AM   #246
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My friend and I decided to drop the fresh water tank. The fill hose was leaking and needed replaced. And we wanted to see what the frame and subfloor looked like over the tank. Their were no particular issues discovered over the fresh water tank.

The big, heavy galvanized steel pan unbolted nicely. The 76 has this nifty steel plate that bolts to a special vertical post welded to the frame. The steel plate helps support the center of the tank. I liked this arrangement.

It is a large fresh water tank. It is 50 gallons at least. There is a lot of water weight here. It is located forward of the axles. Here is a photo of the fresh tank in its pan.

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Hi David. Im just getting started on my 77 Sovereign Reno. I took down the water tank and noted the centre post you referred to. However I see not that mine was missing the centre metal plate that attaches to the post. Can you provide a pic of that item?
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:09 PM   #247
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Hi blockparty and welcome to the vintage Airstream hobby. It's challenging, it's expensive, it's exasperating and it's rewarding once something gets done and done right.

Sure. I can't imagine someone reinstalling that tank without the big metal plate that actually holds the tank up. As they say in these Forums, "there are nice guys, and then there are nice guys with tools".

Here is a photo of the fresh water tank out of the 76 Sovereign. I do not have a photo or dimensions of the square plate that fit in the molded square of the tank. I remember it being maybe 3/4" thick. Granted, a 77 may be different as I've never been under one.

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Hi blockparty and welcome to the vintage Airstream hobby. It's challenging, it's expensive, it's exasperating and it's rewarding once something gets done and done right.



Sure. I can't imagine someone reinstalling that tank without the big metal plate that actually holds the tank up. As they say in these Forums, "there are nice guys, and then there are nice guys with tools".



Here is a photo of the fresh water tank out of the 76 Sovereign. I do not have a photo or dimensions of the square plate that fit in the molded square of the tank. I remember it being maybe 3/4" thick. Granted, a 77 may be different as I've never been under one.



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The styrofoam that lays between the tank and the metal pan is pretty much shot. Im assuming I can just replace with new stuff. Or is there a better solution??
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The styrofoam that lays between the tank and the metal pan is pretty much shot. Im assuming I can just replace with new stuff. Or is there a better solution??


Oh. I forgot to ask. What actually screws into the centre post? I can imagine a bolt that holds up a metal plate. When I crawled under I was able to see the water line, which had a odd T fitting. Not sure what the that was for... maybe a manual drain for winterization?
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Im at the front end of my 77 Sovereign reno. The front plastic cap is badly damaged. Held together right now with gorilla tape. Might fibreglass. Can you send a pic of your end cap?
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Hello Blockparty: I'll try to answer your questions:

1. The styrofoam that lays between the tank and the metal pan is pretty much shot. I’m assuming I can just replace with new stuff. Or is there a better solution??

You can just cut a new piece of styrofoam to use under the tank. The pan has stiffening ribs stamped into it, and the styroform needs trimmed a bit around these ribs. But it can be done.


2. Oh. I forgot to ask. What actually screws into the centre post? I can imagine a bolt that holds up a metal plate. When I crawled under I was able to see the water line, which had a odd “T” fitting. Not sure what the that was for... maybe a manual drain for winterization?

I suspect Airstream purchased this fresh water tank from a molder and didn't want to tool up their own design. It is a clumsy tank in my view. There was just a single bolt holding up the metal square that fit around the molded tank square. The pump suction line draws from this open center square. It is a long way from the pump inlet. But that's what we got to work with. The tank drain on on the curb side of the tank. I can't remember what the T was for.


3. I’m at the front end of my 77 Sovereign reno. The front plastic cap is badly damaged. Held together right now with gorilla tape. Might fibreglass. Can you send a pic of your end cap?

Many 70s trailers have bad cracks in the molded plastic end caps. We tried repairing ours with a plastic crack repair product similar to Bondo. We did not have good success. We were able to fiberglass repair the cracks in the bath plastics with good success since they were out of the trailer. We did not remove the end caps to get behind them for a fiberglass repair. I don't have a good picture of the end cap. We painted it which covered the crack repair, but it has opened up again already after towing.

Hope this helps you a bit.


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Old 07-02-2020, 07:17 AM   #252
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end caps

Both of the end caps of my 73 were fairly thick plastic. Both were repaired with West System epoxy. It worked great, and no cracks reappeared while I owned it. West System epoxy seems much more flexible than off the shelf, fiberglass resin...IMHO



My 74 has a front end cap that is much thinner, and I suspect will be difficult to fix..with any product. It is very brittle. I may go an alternate route there, and order an engineered set of (Pre-cut, pre-drilled) aluminum overlapping retro panels, that Colin Hyde sells.


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I'd been wondering about that, people always talk about them cracking, but the end caps in our 72-73 are also very thick (3/16-1/4") and still flexible, they must have changed after that.
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Old 07-04-2020, 08:27 PM   #254
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My former 66 Trade Wind had fiberglass end cap in the bath. The front end cap was molded with the storage compartments in the front. My 75 Overlander has plastic end caps where the previous owner repair the cracks and painted the endcaps. They still look good.

The Sovereign end caps had many stress cracks in them, and the "bondo" material we applied didn't hold well. Maybe we should have looked at the West System epoxy. Live and learn.

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I’m very encouraged by the plastic weld done by my friend. He is confident the cracks and complete break can be fixed. I used gorilla tape to hold it together and honestly, that stuff is so strong I’m thinking I’ll apply it on the back side of the welds just for added strength. A previous owner applied something with glue? Not sure. But there is some residue that will have to be sanded off before new paint applied.
My buddy does a ton of snowmobile cowling repairs. Including painting and plans to use automotive paint Makes me think we may do that on the interior. What kind of paint have people been using to apply to end caps, bathroom plastics and inner aluminum skins?
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Old 09-06-2020, 07:35 PM   #256
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Cort and I had coffee and delicious "crumpets" in his Airstream last Saturday. His wife is a gourmet chief and her desserts are second to none. Yum, yum.

They have done an excellent job of finishing out the Sovereign to their liking, and it is very nice indeed. They have been on two camping trips here in Colorado so far, and another one planned for October.

One very cool thing they did was apply a "stained glass" applique to the vista windows. This decal shoots rainbows all over the trailer depending on sun angle. See photo.

Here are a few other photos of the Sovereign interior. It is comfortable, and very attractive.

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Floor repairs are looking grand. What was choice to secure the floor?
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From 76 until about 1980 Airstream used 1/2" plywood for the subfloor. They added some additional steel longerons under the floor to support it. The thin subfloor wasn't a good idea in my view. It doesn't support the weight of a walking human very well, noticeable flex.

That said, we used a lot of wood epoxy to stiffen the floor where needed. And we replaced the rotted out sections with standard sanded both sides (ACX) plywood just because it looked stronger in 1/2" thicknesses. We only fixed the rotted subfloor in the rear of the trailer. We added more longerons to help support the subfloor.

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Lots of useful info. thanks! I'm considering replacing my black holding tank with larger capacity tank, 2018 Flying Cloud 23FB, in my mind extending the current toilet floor level toward the shower would open up an area allowing twice the capacity of current tank, 18 gal. But seeing how specialized the tank configurations are and the amount of work involved, this honey-do might not be practical?
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