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CanoeStream · 07-07-2007, 07:04 PM

Only folks who have seen Steve & Amy's '56 Caravanner's custom (by the P.O.) bathroom would know that it was 4' x 6' and would fit 10-12-14 people. Take that (bam - biff - boom) to the chin all the newer mini-wet bath Airstreams!

overlander63 · 07-07-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by soldiermedic

Here's a question.

Is the 4000 lbs GVWR for towing only, or can I carry gear in my car, and bring it into the trailer once I am set up for camp?

That makes a difference for me.

Steve

The GVWR is for towing. Static weights can be higher as you are not exercising road shock and movement to the running gear.
In all things, of course, common sense prevails.

loudruff · 07-07-2007, 08:30 PM

When all of the "Rivettes" went on our personal JC factory tour during our Summer Solstice rally, we got to see these new ones on the line. Very nice to see that the weight is coming down some. These are virtually like the vintage Argosy types, but of course naked!!! LOL Lots of more modern materials, but pretty similar it setup, including the tambour doors. The ones we saw looked just like our little Minuet...size wise!
Lou

Jimmy311 · 07-09-2007, 07:26 AM

I believe the 22' has a 4500lb axle and 4000lb gvwr, is this correct Gene?

Airhog1 · 07-09-2007, 07:34 AM

Jimmy,

The invoice I have says 4000#GVWR/4000# axle system

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Jimmy311 · 07-09-2007, 07:50 AM

Do you think they use different axles from US-Canadian? Or just simply state the GVWR lower (US) for more tow vehicle compliance?

wahoonc · 07-09-2007, 07:53 AM

These are long overdue!
Any idea how long the gaucho is? and what is the width when in bed form?

Thanks
Aaron

Airhog1 · 07-09-2007, 09:12 AM

Sofa converts to a 74"X46" bed

Dinette is 60"X83"

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Minnie's Mate · 07-09-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 2airishuman

however zipdee/as only charges 250 bucks to make the orignal awnings

in ANY of the colors/patterns from their large catalog of sunbrella fabrics..

and thats for a 3 awning package.

the key is the change has to be ordered in advance, not swapped out later.
2air'

Joe, where does $250 come from? When I purchased my Airstream, I had the dealer install a road side and rear awning and the rear awning alone was more than $250! I don't have my notes in front of me, but I think the road side awning was around $1,400 (don't quote me on that price, it may have been more). Since the replacement arm I ordered for the one that bent in a thunderstorm last summer was over $100 for each piece, I can't imagine two awnings, much less three, being $250.

Midamrail · 07-09-2007, 10:23 AM

I think he's referring to the $250 charge for modifications, i.e. changing the awning color from the standard color. That would be on top of the actual charge for the awnings on the Sports.

However, the charge for modifications was recently raised to $500, so I would assume this applies to awning color deviations as well.

2airishuman · 07-09-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Midamrail

the charge for modifications was recently raised to $500, so I would assume this applies to awning color deviations as well.

the a/s modification charge has been 500$ for years...

zipdee charges 250 for the fabric variation.

cheers
2air'

Midamrail · 07-09-2007, 11:21 AM

Aha! Thanks for the clarification.

wahoonc · 07-09-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gmorris

Sofa converts to a 74"X46" bed

Dinette is 60"X83"

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Thanks...one of these days Airstream will learn to post FULL specifications.

Aaron

ROBERTSUNRUS · 07-09-2007, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldiermedic

Here's a question.

Is the 4000 lbs GVWR for towing only, or can I carry gear in my car, and bring it into the trailer once I am set up for camp?

That makes a difference for me.

Steve

Hi, I would say yes to 4,000 lbs GVWR for towing and when you don't have the stabilizer jacks lowered.

thenewkid64 · 07-10-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by azflycaster

I was looking at the numbers for these units and it seems as if the base weight and GVWR are pretty close.
On the 22 foot unit the base weight is 3300 pounds and the GVWR is 4000. That gives you 700 pounds to play with. The numbers on the 17 foot unit are even less with only a 500 pound margin.

If you go with the AC, awning and microwave subtract another 200 pounds.
60 pounds of propane and 30 gallons of water (not sure of tank size) and you need to suntract another 300 pounds.

With just those items you have maxed out the 17 footer and the 22 footer has only enough capasity for 200 pounds of other stuff.

Has anyone else looked at these numbers????

There is one number that most posters are overlooking. Tongue weight. If you take a 4000# trailer, tongue weight is 4-500 LBS depending on the % you use to calc. This is weight that is transferred to the TV, giving more capacity. This may also be the difference in the ratings for Canada vs. US models. Same components, different way of doing the rating (SWAG on my part).

2airishuman · 07-10-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by thenewkid64

...tongue weight is 4-500 LBS depending on the % you use to calc. This is weight that is transferred to the TV, giving more capacity. ...

sorry brett, i don't think so....

this seems to be a common myth/misunderstanding.

tongue weight is included in the gvwr and rightly so...

the trailer frame/running gear still carry it and w/d gear actually INCREASES the stress on the frame/tongue/axles.

perhaps you'd like to explain this further...

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Originally Posted by thenewkid64

This may also be the difference in the ratings for Canada vs. US models. Same components, different way of doing the rating.

no, the csa model gets a different axle with a HIGHER rating...
cheers
2air'