Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-08-2003, 10:24 AM   #1
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 2
Cool Help-will the Safari 25' LS sleep 5

I am a new member of the forum and looking for advice on our first Airstream. We are parents w/kids age 9,6,2. Our current rig is a tent trailer with dual slide out beds and slide dinette. It will sleep 6 also.
We are looking to get away from opening and closing the trailer on short trips, but want to make sure that we have enough room for in and out storage (any tips on bike storage welcomed) Does anyone have experience with this type of family configuration ie 2 adults sleeping in the smaller full size bed, 2 kids on the dinette or couch, raising and dropping the dinette for sleeping)

The dealer tells me this is their best selling trailer. Anyone interested in sharing prices paid for this 02' or 03' unit
We will be towing with a 96' 1/2 ton Suburban.
__________________

hgdong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 01:40 PM   #2
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,474
The best Safari I can think of for your situation would be the Safari 25C, the 6 sleeper. This would fit you, the kids and the gear very comfortably.

http://www.airstream.com/trailers/20...loorplans.html

Also, check out this link from a previous post:

http://www.airforums.com/forum...ight=safari+LS

Your 1/2 ton Suburban should be able to pull this. I would suggest that you look into the cooling system, and gearing. Also make sure you have the right hitch setup and brake controlers.

I don't know what this unit costs, but I would guesstimate it to cost in the mid 30s.

Anyone know for sure.

Regards,

Eric


Eric
__________________

Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 02:00 PM   #3
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,474
Also check out this thread as well....

http://www.airforums.com/forum...7984#post27984

Regards,

Eric
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 02:43 PM   #4
Rivet Master
 
2003 25' Safari
Eden Prairie , Minnesota
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 787
Images: 3
I have a 2003 Safari 25C with the LS package. The list price was ~$40,000, and the selling price was ~$30,000. It will sleep six, assuming that some are kids. It sounds like the right Airstream for your situation. Your Suburban should tow it, but you should verify it's tow rating - which is dependant on the rear axle ratio, the engine, and the "towing package". Search this site for "Safari" and "25C" and you will find a number of postings that should help you out.

Some dealers won't deal. Others will - especially if they know you are shopping around. The WBCCC club magazine "Blue Beret" has dealer ads. Toscano RV in Los Banos, CA has a 2003 Safari 25 for $28,995. Oasis RV in Tuscon, AZ has a Safari 27 (no price), Don Mar RV in Lynchburg, SC has a 2003 Safari 25 (no price), and Bates RV in Dover, FL has a bunch of Safari's in stock.
__________________
Dan
dmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 02:51 PM   #5
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,474
That's a pretty big difference $40k list and $30k selling. I wonder what the real profit margins are on these.

For example, the Bambi I bought was listed at about $29,900. I walked away with it for about $5k less. Go to a car dealership and those differences are not that great.

It makes me wonder if they just inflate the price and really sell it for what they really wanted while the customer thinks they got a really fair deal.

Any thoughts on this?

Eric
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 03:16 PM   #6
Rivet Master
 
2003 25' Safari
Eden Prairie , Minnesota
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 787
Images: 3
Huge spreads between List Price (shown on the manufacturers sticker) and actual selling price seems to be the norm in the RV industry ($200,000 diesel motorhomes routinely sell for WAY less than list). Dealers must be making a good margin even with "discounts" or they wouldn't make the deal. I suppose they are able to take advantage of a few people that don't shop around. Depreciation on a full list price purchase must be terrible!

Manufacturer lure potential dealers with the potential of huge margins, but in a competitive world the dealers beat each other up on price resulting in a more "normal" margin (I'd guess that at 25% off list Bates RV still made about 10-15% on me). The consumer feels he "got a great deal", the manufacturer get's their price from the dealer, so everyone is happy. Except the occasional consumer that pays "too much" - whatever that is.
__________________
Dan
dmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 03:22 PM   #7
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,474
You're not kidding! I could not imagine paying full sticker and watching most of that disappear as the rear bumper left the lot.



Eric
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 03:52 PM   #8
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,379
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
I've heard that the rule of thumb for a starting negotiation point is about 25% off list. I tried that number with my Safari and ended up about 18%. Obviously a lot depends upon the dealer's inventory, time of the year you are looking etc. My gut feeling would be the best deals probably come about in October or early November in the cold weather states.

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 09:07 PM   #9
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 2
Thanks everyone for the great insight on the Safari 25'. Looking at all the referenced threads have already added to info that I need to make an intelligent decision. It is very interesting how the list and actual sales prices can vary.

Thanks Dmac for the info from the magazine! Does the ad for the Toscano Rv 2003 Safari specify wether it is a new or used 6 sleeper. Out
of curiosity does anyone know how much you would lose in value once you drove a unit off the lot and returned it a month later.
My guess would be a half year depreciation, abouts 10% of the value of the trailer.
hgdong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2003, 08:47 AM   #10
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,474
I hope it helps.

Last night I was going through my A/S gear and paperwork I got when I got mine a few weeks ago. People are always referring to the Safari as the Safari LS and I could never understand why since the web and the '03 Brouchure don't mention it as the Safari LS....

We'll, I got my hands on an '02 Brouchure while I was at the dealer and when I tumbed through it, sure enough, Safari LS was in it.

Ya learn something new here everyday!

Eric
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2003, 02:46 PM   #11
Rivet Master
 
2003 25' Safari
Eden Prairie , Minnesota
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 787
Images: 3
The Toscano RV ad lists a "New Airstream 25' Safari Trailer" at $28,995. It does not indicate if it is a 6 sleeper, or if it has the LS option package. You could call them directly at 209-826-2488.

For clarification... "Safari" is a model line (the lower priced Airsteam trailer line). Within this line there are several lengths and interior arrangements, the 25' six sleeper being one choice. "LS" indicates an option package that is available for the Safari trailers. The contents of the package are listed on Airstream's web site.

My impression is that if you towed a new trailer off the lot and returned it to the dealer a month later as a trade-in... you would lose a much larger percentage of the purchase price than 10%. I would guess 30-40%.
__________________
Dan
dmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2003, 03:37 PM   #12
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,474
I see it now. Another thing that is not in the '03 Brochure.

Nice trailer.

Regards,

Eric
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2007, 10:42 AM   #13
theSEEKER
 
babsz's Avatar
 
1994 25' Excella
granite bay , California
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by hgdong
I am a new member of the forum and looking for advice on our first Airstream. We are parents w/kids age 9,6,2. Our current rig is a tent trailer with dual slide out beds and slide dinette. It will sleep 6 also.
We are looking to get away from opening and closing the trailer on short trips, but want to make sure that we have enough room for in and out storage (any tips on bike storage welcomed) Does anyone have experience with this type of family configuration ie 2 adults sleeping in the smaller full size bed, 2 kids on the dinette or couch, raising and dropping the dinette for sleeping)

The dealer tells me this is their best selling trailer. Anyone interested in sharing prices paid for this 02' or 03' unit
We will be towing with a 96' 1/2 ton Suburban.
I realize thia is a very old post. But it is my exact situation. How did it end? I don' want to re-invent the wheel. : )
Barbara
babsz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2007, 12:44 PM   #14
Rivet Master
 
richinny's Avatar
 
2011 34' Classic
Westchester Cty.NY , / Miami FL
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,122
i guess we'll never know. the last visit by this member was:
Last Activity: 03-29-2003 05:31 PM
__________________
Ricky
2012 F150 Super Crew 5-1/2' bed Ecoboost 4x4 3.73 elec. lock diff. Propride hitch
give life. kidney & pancreas transplant 9/9/06
Ingrid-my unofficial '"World's Oldest Streamer" 1909-2008 R.I.P.
richinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2007, 10:59 AM   #15
theSEEKER
 
babsz's Avatar
 
1994 25' Excella
granite bay , California
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 11
Thanks, Ricky. And, yes, I have signed my donor card. : )
I did volunteer work for CA's organ donor network just out of college, and after meeting several donor and recipient families, it's a cause close to my heart.

We think we've found one, but it's rear twin & that'll be hard with 5 of us. We're going to go "try it on" & hopefully buy it tomorrow!

B
babsz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2007, 11:24 AM   #16
Rivet Master
 
CanoeStream's Avatar

 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
St. Cloud , Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,280
Images: 19
Blog Entries: 3
I've seen the six-sleeper 25 footers. The arrangement is corner bed (2), foldout couch (2 very cozy!), and drop down the dinette (2 only if they're quite small). Six-sleeper is a bit of a stretch if you ask me.

Camping with a 25' Airstream and a family of 5 might work with kids topping out at ages 13-14. This might work better if you were able to hang a bunk like days of old -- but the hardware is not available.

My 25' FB sleeps a third person on the couch without changing anything; the couch platform next to the fridge does pull out maybe 8-10" but isn't real strong. I can drop the dinette for a fourth person easily enough. The problem with any of these is when kids sprout up -- but they won't want to camp when they're older teenagers anyway. It might work for a larger child to have the adventure of a small tent with a thermarest for most nights; treat the trailer inside as a bivouac option and squeeze everybody in there for stormy nights.
__________________
Bob

5 meter Langford Nahanni

CanoeStream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2007, 11:30 AM   #17
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,379
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Even the bigger trailers are questionable. If I had to rate the sleeping capacity of my Classic 31' slide out, I'd give almost the same report. Sofa sleeping for two would be cozy sleeping only. The dinette would be one person, or two small kids.

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2007, 11:40 AM   #18
4 Rivet Member
 
millvalleyca's Avatar
 
2008 27' International CCD FB
Mill Valley , California
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 344
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by babsz
Thanks, Ricky. And, yes, I have signed my donor card. : )
I did volunteer work for CA's organ donor network just out of college, and after meeting several donor and recipient families, it's a cause close to my heart.

We think we've found one, but it's rear twin & that'll be hard with 5 of us. We're going to go "try it on" & hopefully buy it tomorrow!

B
If you're looking for a used 25 SS check with Toscano...we just traded our 2007 for a 2008 After they replace a couple of the skins the unit will look brand new at a "used" price.
millvalleyca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2007, 07:56 PM   #19
Rivet Master
 
richinny's Avatar
 
2011 34' Classic
Westchester Cty.NY , / Miami FL
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,122
ty for signing!

Quote:
Originally Posted by babsz
Thanks, Ricky. And, yes, I have signed my donor card. : )
I did volunteer work for CA's organ donor network just out of college, and after meeting several donor and recipient families, it's a cause close to my heart.
B
not to hijack but..
sept. 2006 i received a kidney and pancreas transplant. it was quite a blessing . inthe next stage of life number two, i hope to take the Airstream (and organs) on the road.
__________________

__________________
Ricky
2012 F150 Super Crew 5-1/2' bed Ecoboost 4x4 3.73 elec. lock diff. Propride hitch
give life. kidney & pancreas transplant 9/9/06
Ingrid-my unofficial '"World's Oldest Streamer" 1909-2008 R.I.P.
richinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Holding Tanks on a '99 Safari 25' ElliottBartlett 1999 Safari 11 08-01-2017 11:49 AM
What is 2000 Safari 25 worth? idahosafari 2000 Safari 2 10-12-2015 12:59 PM
Axle bearing numbers, 2003 Safari 25 freud Axles 10 11-23-2003 03:34 PM
Safari 25' ss & CCD 25' - odor issues? darkStar Waste Systems, Tanks & Totes 15 09-29-2003 01:28 PM
Safari 25' Model A towing issues rtierney 2003 Safari 11 07-02-2003 10:15 AM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.