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Old 07-26-2014, 09:39 AM   #41
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Our experience was that the axles had to come off in order to get the belly pan off. OR you could cut around the axle brackets and leave about an inch or so of belly pan in place.
The belly pan area where the fresh water tank is, is a separate piece of one inch plywood covered with belly pan adhered to it. Ours slid out when we got one of the cross pieces off. The tank will fall out if everything inside is taken off it, but it's light weight, just a little unwieldy.
Penetrating oil for the spare tire bolts and a couple days to work? Otherwise, Chris says to torch it.

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Old 07-26-2014, 11:55 PM   #42
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A few positive steps today. Got both end caps off and out. Rest of insulation out.
Got the front belly pan off. From what I can tell the frame looks pretty good.
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Having a hard time getting the side belly pan pieces off like these
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Seems like there is a hidden row of rivets that are tucked under the exterior skin. Not sure I have to take them off or not. What do you experienced folks suggest?

Can't get the rear belly pan over the axels.

I'm a little concerned that they way I have her jacked up on the tongue in the front and the very rear. Seems like the front has buckled a bit on the a hitch. Should I be?

How the heck are you supposed to get the square headed bolts in the c channel off. They just spin and I can't clamp on to them from underneath. Not sure if this picture will show it or not.
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Also curious what's the best way to get the sub floor anchor bolts out? Like the one you can see in the picture.

Thanks, all of you. That belly skin removal sure is disgusting. I'm ready to have it all gone!!



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Old 07-27-2014, 04:30 AM   #43
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Shell is riveted onto the frame over the belly pan so if you want to remove those pieces that row of buck rivets has to be drilled as for the floor bolts a hole bit ( remove the guide bit ) then wood chisel once the wood is removed a saws all or vice grips will make short work of the bolts! A drimmel tool with cutting disk comes in pretty handy also! Use the vice grips and bend the bolt back and forth and they break pretty quick! You should be supporting the frame (now exposed) with jack stands so that it does not buckle. It is actually buckling??
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:32 AM   #44
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Okay that's dremel damn spell auto correct!
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Old 07-27-2014, 06:42 AM   #45
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I'm envious of that interior workspace you have. I remember all the cold winter and hot summer days working on mine outside and would have killed to have a nice inside space with smooth floor and space to store stuff.

The frame doesnt look too bad from what I can see. Wirebrush or sandblast it and then paint and preserve. From those pix, the floor doesn't look too bad either. I think I saw one area that was rotted out. As I mentioned before, I would consider a shell off a last resort and would much rather patch in sections as needed. The bolts that hold the c-channel down to the floor are probably well on their way out if there was rot in that area. A dremel or metal chisel should do the trick. When you replace them use stainless hardware. In general, I always use stainless to put things back together. One less thing to worry about.

This shot shows where I supported the frame with jack stands when I changed out the axles. It supports it on the heaviest part:


As for that section of lower wrap, it should be held in with pop rivets only, at least mine was. The lower wrap sits on top of the outer skin unless somebody did things drastically different.


Once the trim is off, drill any of the remaining pop rivets and it should pull down. Yours may be held in with some sealant. If you need to replace those panels, they are probably the easiest to do since they are essentially straight sheet metal just tucked underneath.

Are you going to do the axles? You have the trailer pretty much opened up right now, it would be the best time to do it and get it out of the way.
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Old 07-27-2014, 06:58 AM   #46
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I took another look at some of your pix. You better get those wheels supported or you will bend that frame. Its not designed to be supported on either end. You've got both axles and the wheels hanging down in the middle. Very bad.

It also looks like they may have put the lower wraps under the outside panels. If that is the case, you can either drill the bucked rivets out and then it should pull down or you could cut the lower raps off and then make new ones and mount them on top. Some folks think that having the lower wraps underneath the outside panels is the only way it should be, I don't think its that big a deal as long as any water that gets behind the lower wrap has a chance to drain out harmlessly. When it has all that nice pink spun fiberglass to get saturated and hold it to the frame thats when you have trouble. I'm a fan of having drain holes in the belly pan to let whatever water gets in there out.
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Old 07-27-2014, 07:36 AM   #47
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My friend jacked her up for me and I need to get that switched today. Get the support under the axles. You've got me sufficiently worried
Yes my lower wraps are underneath my outside panels and while I've drilled out all the bucked rivets there are still a large number of rivets hidden under the overlap. I can see them when I pull back the outside panels.

I guess just trying to bust them off with my putty knife is the way to go??

And yes I have great workspace for now. Not sure how long it will last so I'm trying to get as much done now as possible.

I've decided to get new axles. What would you recommend? I've read where some folks think raising the rear end a bit with new axles is the way to go.


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Old 07-27-2014, 07:55 AM   #48
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[QUOTE=RM66caravel;1487856]. It is actually buckling??
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I wish I had taken a picture of it. The area above the A hitch and below the front window has a little pressure dent. That's when I first noticed it. Then I noticed a little gap under the door frame and the subfloor. About an inch. That's when I felt I had a problem. I sure hope it hasn't bent at all.

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Old 07-27-2014, 08:01 AM   #49
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The lower skin is under the top skin and pop riveted to the channel so that water from rain flows to the ground and not into the belly pan! It is some kind of a serious pain to get it sealed and under the shell if it is on so if it were repaired at one time or another then the frustration may have gotten to the repairer and they did not fight it! Yes support the frame but it will still be good if it was like that for a short time. Painters putty knife, wood chisel screwdriver what ever it takes to remove but avoid damage to the belly panel to at least use for a template!
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Old 07-27-2014, 08:05 AM   #50
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Hi Swahealy,
Looks like you're making great progress. I agree with the suggestion that you take plenty of pictures. I'm restoring a 1961 AS and I'd be lost without a visual resource. Not much reference material for that year. On the axle front, I've had great luck with:

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Old 07-27-2014, 09:55 AM   #51
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Go with Colin or you can try and find the closest redneck trailer supply. Just need to have the correct specs for the axle dimensions. Afaik, the original sized axles are no longer available, the new ones will need a bit of modification to fit.

If you can weld some extra steel in or look for one of the kits to raise the axles about 3" that would be good. Any extra clearance that you can get will prevent dragging the tail over ramps and inclines in gas stations and parking lots.
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Old 07-27-2014, 10:37 AM   #52
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I removed my floor a couple of days ago. Here's a link to my blog where I illustrate the process I used based on information and techniques I gathered from others in this forum.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:59 AM   #53
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How did you get the bolt cutters onto the shaft of the bolt inside the c channel?
Thanks for sharing.


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I just got the jaws of the cutters over the nut and bolt the best I could then cut it nut and all. I used 18" cutters but would recommend bigger. A Dremel or angle grinder with a cut off wheel would work but I was afraid I might damage C channel or exterior skin with those tools.

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Old 07-27-2014, 04:05 PM   #55
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We got the side wraps off using a putty knife to break the pop rivets off underneath. Chris used an angle grinder with a cut off wheel to cut off the heads of the elevator bolts when we replaced the floor. He used the same in the C channel, just more carefully.
We bought our new axles from Inland RV. They were a direct bolt on with no modifications needed. They had the shocks stud welded onto them also. We've seen Colin Hyde recommended many times also.

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Old 07-27-2014, 04:33 PM   #56
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We got the side wraps off using a putty knife to break the pop rivets off underneath. Chris used an angle grinder with a cut off wheel to cut off the heads of the elevator bolts when we replaced the floor. He used the same in the C channel, just more carefully.
We bought our new axles from Inland RV. They were a direct bolt on with no modifications needed. They had the shocks stud welded onto them also. We've seen Colin Hyde recommended many times also.

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You probably got your axles a while ago. Mine came from Inland as well, about a year and few months ago and without going into gory detail, I would not recommend them again. They did not fit without modifying the frame; I was told those axles were no longer available and they needed to have the plate welded for the shock stud. That was another surprise and that cost me an extra 100 to have a welder come in and do it. They were shipped from Redneck trailer, and in talking with them, they could have been ordered directly as long as you have all the correct dimensions.

I've never dealt with Colin, but haven't heard a negative comment about him, hence my recommendation.
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Old 07-27-2014, 10:34 PM   #57
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Despite loads of effort today was mostly a bust. I'll post pictures later this week. Couldn't quite get one board free. Going to bed angry.


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Frustrated not angry when we get angry we break something or hurt ourselves or both! Now you can attack it from a fresh perspective and a new direction! Looking forward to the pictures!
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Old 07-31-2014, 08:10 AM   #59
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I've been reading and rereading so many different threads about shell on or shell off renovations. I've decided to do a shell off mainly because it looks easier and I have an open joist warehouse to hoist from.

I was intending to run a 4 x 6 along the inside of the roofline and align 2 chain hoists through the fore and aft vent openings and lift overhead from the roof joists in my warehouse. Good plan?

I have interior all stripped and interior panels removed and all insulation and old wiring gone. Any idea how much the shell weighs in this condition? I'd be in trouble if I brought down the roof.

Also. I finally understand my c channel thanks to Minno. It's a u channel that sits on top of the plywood and a c channel that the plywood subfloor slots into. So I'll call it a c/u channel.

So my question is: prior to the lift, should I: 1)remove all the subfloor and leave the c/u channel attached to the shell or 2) should I completely separate the shell from the c/u channel?

My concern with option 2 would be resetting the channel correctly so the shell will be able to drop back in place.

Does anyone have any advice or pictures they could share?

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ID:	217921Here are a few of our Bambi II getting lifted off the frame. We hung it from a tree, but it's a bit smaller than yours.... My son made a new frame for it, but we used the old frame to help with the template of the floor. A lot of ours was gone, so it was a little guess work & trimming when we dropped it back on.
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