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Old 01-19-2013, 07:08 AM   #1
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Vermont looking to tax miles driven

On the local news this morning they reported that the state of Vermont (due to loss of gasoline tax revenue because of hybrid cars, car pooling, people driving less miles because of cost, etc.) is looking at taxing the miles driven. Vermont is looking at GPS devices to track your mileage. I hope the good citizens of Vermont can stop any legislation that would allow government to track you.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:27 AM   #2
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Wow, that really is unacceptable.

It certainly seems government at all levels continues to place itself above the needs of the people.

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Old 01-19-2013, 07:33 AM   #3
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Let's put this another way. Should you be taxed for something you don't use? If you use the roads more by driving more miles, perhaps you should pay more towards their upkeep.

Of course, higher gas taxes would basically achieve this - the more you drive, the more gas you buy. But they're politically unpalatable. Putting a GPS system on your car will probably be seen as being worse...
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:34 AM   #4
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From previous articles on this kind of thing, my understanding was while the decreased revenue from gas taxes are a problem for road maintenance and repair, the use of GPS-judged mileage driven as a basis for a substitute tax to take up the slack would be more progressive than a flat tax for all.

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Old 01-19-2013, 07:41 AM   #5
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and they can track where you go and when. Whats next a GPS in your arm?
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:58 AM   #6
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and they can track where you go and when. Whats next a GPS in your arm?
Yep. Required by law for the Doctor to implant one at birth.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:05 AM   #7
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How would this affect out of state vehicles. And I hope no one in the N.J. Legislature gets this idea. Sal
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Perhaps a review of an individual's true total tax rate would change the minds of those that seem so willing to give the government more money.


At least in my state we pay income tax, sales tax, real estate tax, personal property tax, car tags, government fees on any phone or internet connection, government fees on any energy bill. Fees to add a carport, fees to build a parking place for the Airstream.

They get enough.

It seems the public at large has accepted the training to simply say "Well, I guess they need it.",put our heads down and pay.

End of rant.

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Old 01-19-2013, 08:11 AM   #9
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"and they can track where you go and when. Whats next a GPS in your arm?"


Nope, that's aleady done through your cell phone!

Once again a few people making rules for all on what you should drive, then after they figure out the rule they just made gets them less money, they change the rules again to make up for something they forgot about in the first place!

Maybe it's time to start pulling the old 60's, 70's and 80's cars out fo the junkyards, throw away your cell phones, pay cash for everything and live a life with only your family knowning your business.

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Perhaps a review of an individual's true total tax rate would change the minds of those that seem so willing to give the government more money.


At least in my state we pay income tax, sales tax, real estate tax, personal property tax, car tags, government fees on any phone or internet connection, government fees on any energy bill. Fees to add a carport, fees to build a parking place for the Airstream.

They get enough.

It seems the public at large has accepted the training to simply say "Well, I guess they need it.",put our heads down and pay.

End of rant.

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Old 01-19-2013, 08:13 AM   #11
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Hey JD, same here in SC.

Already paying out the waazoo.

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Question Mileage tax......

......don't forget the hybrids & electrics more of them every year.....do they ride for free?

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Old 01-19-2013, 08:38 AM   #13
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Sorry, I already pay $500 a year in taxes on my vehicles, plus tags, plus the $1400 highway use tax I paid when I bought my truck. This state also gets $.35 a gallon in fuel tax.
Would it be too much to suggest the state governments stop building brass-plated rest rooms, and use the income they already get to maintain what they already have? Tuesday on the way to work, there were 12 vehicles sitting along the road with destroyed wheels, tires, and suspension parts that occurred when they hit giant potholes in the road the state couldn't afford to repair, yet the state is building more new roads all around the road that they can't afford to repair.
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Here in GA we pay a yearly VAT type tax on our cars, and trailers, boats, motorcycles, etc. In my county it can be hundreds different than in the county down the street. Now that makes no sense, but its like a property tax.
We also now have to pay sales tax on used cars that we buy privately. And new cars sales tax has a huge fee which is supposed to off set the VAT but who the heck thought that up?
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We are told that in Michigan we have reduced revenue from the road tax built in gasoline, because of more efficient vehicles. But the state's sales tax on gas increases with high gas prices. And no one has shown me that we are spending less on roads or that our road repair income is less. Only that we don't have enough money to do the job. So Friday I pay a visit to my county building department , of which our county road commission is located and guess what? Closed! And why? Closed BOTH Friday AND Monday for Martin Luther King holiday! They have a lot of nerve asking for higher taxes.
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Question Are you secret agents?

I want to know where all you guys are going that you don't want anyone to know about. It sounds pretty exciting to me.
I'm afraid my track would bore them to death.

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Obviously, if we don't want "them" to know, we can't tell you, either.
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Considering Vermont's state motto "Freedom and Unity", this idea is rather humorous.
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Obviously, if we don't want "them" to know, we can't tell you, either.
I can be trusted. I won't tell a soul.

I'll just post it on the internet.

Probably won't even have to do that, because the state will.

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Say the word TAXES and people immediatly jump to conclusions.

There was an interview with Mark Gottlieb Secretary of Wisconsin's Department of Public Transportation on Wis Pub Radio that I remembered from a while back.

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If you've got time to kill and are interested in what the Pols are really thinking on this issue listen.

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