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08-12-2006, 05:17 AM
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Airstreamin and luvin it
Commercial Member
2005 25' Safari
Northwest Panhandle
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Gas
Gas dropped about 10 cents the other day since the airport incident.Premium went from $3.19 to $3.09.Diesel is at $2.89 right now.Lets see how long this one lasts.
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08-12-2006, 05:31 AM
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Rivet Master 
NOVA SCOTIA
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North of the border
Regular gas price today $1.227 per LITRE in my area of Nova Scotia. 
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08-12-2006, 06:27 AM
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2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton
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Join Date: Mar 2002
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Well QT dropped to $2.83 yesterday. We are seeing a wide spread of prices in the STL meto area in the past week. Some stations over $3.00. Not sure why the spread. Unusual since they've been in lock step for many years now.
Jack
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08-12-2006, 07:06 AM
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#244
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Rivet Monster
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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Originally Posted by SilverGate
Unleaded - $3.27
Diesel - $3.39 here in San Diego, CA
Researching best tow vehicle for my first AS, I thought the F-250 would be the one…
Heard good things about diesel in tow vehicle threads…
Reading how much 2air’ loves his F-250 Power Stroke Diesel…
But after seeing diesel fuel costs more than premium…
Maybe I should choose the 5.4 L V8…
What would you do?
Bill
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Bill,
The diesel will pull more weight at a better mileage rate than a equivalent gas engine. Also a diesel has a "potentially" longer life span.
Aaron 
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08-12-2006, 09:51 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Huntington Beach
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,293
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CA diesel
silvergate,
The price of diesel in CA is different than in most states. Besides the fact that fuel is more expensive in CA than most, it is also one of the handfull of states where diesel can be higher than premium. If you are going to travel out of state, the price differential for diesel is a non issue, in fact, it can be lower than regular in some areas. This was my observation during a cross counrty trip in May.
John
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08-12-2006, 10:33 AM
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Tramp Streamer
Commercial Member
1995 28' Excella
Artist
, at Large
Join Date: May 2004
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In the land of cheese; reg. 3.24 gal Diesel 3.14 gal.
After traveling around the state the price seems solid at every station from the Dells, to Madison.
Oh, but a few ststions will gladly trade fuel for pelts 
Michael
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08-12-2006, 12:18 PM
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hey artlink!
good to read from ya...pelts....i'm dying here!
silvergate...i still love the psd f-250, like most of the users here.
don't want to drift this thread much...
prices, prices and more prices...with a bit of commentary....
but you have a 23 safari? lots of tow options...
why not start a thread on the issue and watch the help roll in....
on the f-250 side the v10 has same hp as the psd...just less torque.
and poorer milage. but it is a very strong gas platform. any diesel should go more miles...
but not everyone is thinking in 200k terms...
with the new ultra low sulfur diesel fuel about to happen, my guess is we will see lots of price flux....for a year or 2. this is going to be a confusing time for sludge runners...
but biod is coming, veggie is coming. expect to see many more diesel cars and trucks in production....a diesel audi won the lemans and sebring races this year!!! cool.
so this is my first diesel...
and i'm still happy to have it. 25k miles towing in 15months...
would buy another without doubt...
cheers
i'm off to trap some beavers and do some skinnin'...and find a lower price...
2air'
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08-12-2006, 01:16 PM
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Rivet Master
Some Place with a German Name
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Originally Posted by 2airishuman
a diesel audi won the LeMans and Sebring races this year!!!
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AND a near bone stock Volkswagen V10 TDI Touareg raced to the top of Pikes Peak on July 1 in a mere 14:08, beating every Baja class truck by 30 seconds!!! It ran on the new Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel (ULSD) the entire way up without a single puff of smoke.
I got to drive this V10 for a week! Pounded it all week, no smoke whatsoever.
Go Diesel or go home. 
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08-12-2006, 05:00 PM
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hi westfalia....
well you read my mind!
actually my first draft of the post above include this v10....
man is it cool....
you know the us government essentially sent these back to germany...
and required vag to recertify 'em....as i understand.
see the emissions technology was so new and so different and so CLEAN, that the government didn't believe it worked....
they wanted more data...
that is why after the first batch,
it has taken forever to get these diesels models back in dealer inventory...
and this would be a fine tv for the trailer in question...but pricey....
great picture too!
cheers
2air'
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08-13-2006, 12:34 AM
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Rivet Master
1965 17' Caravel
1968 28' Ambassador
Butte
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Dang ! I might be persuaded to go VW ! V-10 huh, make it longer wheelbase and you could pull a 34 with it ? Maybe ?
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08-13-2006, 06:40 AM
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1972 31' Sovereign
High Springs
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Join Date: May 2002
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I saw a Toureg W-10 diesel on Ebay for $89K. Yikes, that's a lot of dough.
There should be no confusion after ULSD comes out, at all. Because that's the only thing that will be available. A 1% drop in mpg will be experienced by all, due to the lower BTU content of the fuel. Lubricity is a concern with this new fuel, although the producers say it will pass "their lubricity test."
I am currently running a small percentage of Biodiesel in my Duramax, between 5-30%. I've got my John Deere 820 up to about 80% now. Neighbors all seem to leave for McDonalds every time we start mowing the lawn. The engine runs noticably quieter now.
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2003 GMC 2500HD 4X4 D/A Ext. Cab
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08-13-2006, 07:01 AM
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2 Rivet Member 
1972 31' Sovereign
FAYETTEVILLE
, Arkansas
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Wow, $89k for the Toureg vs $35k for an F-250. The saved money would keep me in fuel for a long time, even at current prices.
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08-13-2006, 09:30 AM
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3 Rivet Member 
2007 25' Safari FB SE
rio rico
, Arizona
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Watched diesel go from $3.39 to $3.69 in the space of 2 HOURS at a Shell station in Spokane the other day!!! I guess they got the call to up the price. I paid $2.22 the same day to fill up the Duramax van...go figure.
I keep wondering why by backside hurts........
cheers, Jeff
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08-13-2006, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Pick
There should be no confusion after ULSD comes out, at all..
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yea right.
i'm all for ulsd, would have liked it 5 years ago...
the date may be set...but even that is a soft figure.
gradual phase in? what to do to the tanks and lines? sulfur may fluctuate during this time? so may the other lubricity additives, which refinery is gonna send fuel where? and so on...
pretending this is a simply a 'turn the switch' thing...is simplistic.
the confusions referred to in my post...apply to someone considering buying a diesel...were related to the HUMAN making buying decisions...
get one?
old or new?
old technology or new?
where can i go now with it?
can't go to mexico with ultra low new diesel yet...
will i need lubricaton additives...and is that for an old or new diesel?
warranty issues if i add a little biod..what percentage...
what if i get some 300ppm diesel by mistake?
how much before i'm screwed..
can i blend a little old fuel with new...till by home tank is empty?
i realize there are petrol websites with faqs but i've been reading them...and the answers sometimes change for a given question!!!
how will maintenance costs change? what about particulate filters...
does the change apply to all diesels? every single one?
that is just a short list of the confusing issues intelligent folks may ponder.
prices are likely to be wildly fluctuating on the diesel side as well and until this is all worked out....1-2 years.
so the confused includes "should i buy a diesel with these crazy prices?"
i would buy again now no question...
but my statement that 'a confusing time' is coming...stands.
cheers
2air'
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08-13-2006, 10:28 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1979 31' Sovereign
Richmond
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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The manual of my 2006 Durmax states they do allow BioD up to 20% IIRC. The problem so far is not would I burn it, but where can I get it as I'd have to drive almost an hour to get to a station that sells BioD. Oh, and they happen to make it there too, in large volume. It seems that farmers are buying it in bulk, but no one is buying it for the fuel stations. While it was interesting that Pres. Bush visited this refinery just last year, that BioD is not getting much press, though I have to say, neither is ULSD.
And to stick with the thread - Diesal was $2.89 ish yesterday, while regular gas was $2.78.
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2006 GMC Sierra 4x4 2500HD 6.6L Duramax
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08-13-2006, 11:01 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 23' Safari SE
San Diego
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2air’ – Thanks for illustrating why it’s a confusing time to buy a new tow vehicle…
especially for a newbie…
I took your advice and started a new thread "Gas vs. Diesel" in Towing section:
http://www.airforums.com/forum...rld-25248.html
Glad you still love your PSD F-250!
Bill
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08-13-2006, 11:14 AM
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1972 31' Sovereign
High Springs
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Join Date: May 2002
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Diesel is around $3.05 here. Regular varies $2.99 to $3.16 at the rip off freeway stations.
I am paying $3.25 for biodiesel locally. I blend with dino diesel. Our is made in Lakeland, Florida, by a subsidy of World Energy.
Propane is running around $3-$4.10 for home delivery and RV fillups. 30# tanks $20-23. I still get mine at FlyingJ for under $2.
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08-13-2006, 01:59 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Huntington Beach
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
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gasbuddy.com
If you think we are concerned about fuel prices, I found this site while roaming around the Hybrid crowd:
http://gasbuddy.com
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08-19-2006, 11:44 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Flying Cloud
1995 25' Excella
Clear Lake
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Paid $2.69 for ethanol in Iowa yesterday. I can't get over how sad it is that I just bragged about $2.69!!!
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72 Sovereign: L couch, mid-twin, rear-bath "When you come to a fork in the road, take it" "It was impossible to get a conversation going; everybody was talking too much." "If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else." - Yogi Berra
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08-19-2006, 11:48 AM
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2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
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Join Date: Jun 2002
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Most of the week regular unleaded has been $ 3.09 at the Chevron down the street. Seems like a decent price when compared to other states, as California pricing is usually through the roof.
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