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[Jani]

I just wanted to say that last weekend we went to look at our first vintage Airstream for sale, and we were so disappointed. I have been looking for about a year, and love vintage, but this was really crummy, and not just the condition. It was a 1975 Tradewind, and the quality was just not there. For example. the small bins under the couches and beds were just so cheap, and so many other things were really cheesy, like 'plasticky',i know that's not a word. But after seeing so many photos, we felt bad that the real thing turned out to be so cheaply made. We have seen the new ones, and they are gorgeous, and made extremely well, compared to other manufacturers. Could this have been a fluke> The only other one there was a 1961 23ft, and it was a total wreck, but I could see that it was maybe made a little better than this '75.

[Stefrobrts]

I feel the same way about the seventies models. I have yet to see one that really impressed me. Unfortunately they used a lot of plastic, and it isn't holding up over time. However, if you're looking for one to fix up, I've seen people make beautiful restorations of seventies trailers, with new wood cabinetry.

You might want to look for an older model. They used more wood and are very cozy and warm inside. Keep looking. They are hard to find in good shape, but when you find the right one, it will be worth it.

[dscluchfc]

You were looking at one that was made during the "Beatrice Years", I believe.
Beatrice Foods owned airstream for a while during the 70s...mid to late. Anyway, they cut corners, made the frame smaller and cheaper, experienced coaches with "tail droop" especially if they had rear bath, etc.
If I was going vintage, I would go to the 60's for a coach.
Otherwise, if I wanted a nice trailer, and wanted to avoid the "Beatrice trailers", I would go about 1982 or later.
In any event, a used trailer is only as good as the pride of ownership reflected in it's maintenance. Junk results from lack of attention to maintenance, and should be priced to reflect the condition.
It took me about 2 years to find my 1984-31 ft Excella. A two owner, no kids trailer that had been maintained with pride. Good luck in your search.

[Ken J]

I've got a 75 Tradewind as well as a 58 Overlander - I do like the 58 with all the wood, but I also think there is nothing wrong with the 75 - that laminate is pretty tough stuff, doesn't scratch - yeah those bins are "lite weight" but they do seem to hold up. So to me its more of a preference thing rather than a quality thing

Ken J.

[nettepdx]

But I must admit, the "wow" factor just isn't there. No one is ever blown away when they see my trailer. On the other hand, except for some trim coming off and one tambor door needing to be replaced, the trailer's in great condition. If I decide to keep it for a long time - and have the money to do so - I'll remodel it a bit. Otherwise, I think it's a great trailer.

I have a 76 31' Sovereign and couldn,t agree more. I just gutted my interior because I couldn't stand all the plastic. It only required two tools: a screwdriver and a drill bit. These 70's interiors were the worse. Airstream must have thought long and hard about just how cheaply they could do an interior. I know, someone is going to say weight was the big issue. I.d wager that the wood interior that I put in won't weigh any more than the junk they put in. Wqs everything in the 70's that ugly?

[overlander64]

Greetings Jani!

Welcome to the Forums!

Originally Posted by Jani

I just wanted to say that last weekend we went to look at our first vintage Airstream for sale, and we were so disappointed. I have been looking for about a year, and love vintage, but this was really crummy, and not just the condition. It was a 1975 Tradewind, and the quality was just not there. For example. the small bins under the couches and beds were just so cheap, and so many other things were really cheesy, like 'plasticky',i know that's not a word. But after seeing so many photos, we felt bad that the real thing turned out to be so cheaply made. We have seen the new ones, and they are gorgeous, and made extremely well, compared to other manufacturers. Could this have been a fluke> The only other one there was a 1961 23ft, and it was a total wreck, but I could see that it was maybe made a little better than this '75.

Don't get discouraged -- it is rare to find a "keeper" on the first tour of inspection. My Overlander didn't find me until I had examined nearly a dozen coaches over a period of nearly a year (traveled a total of 2,000+ miles looking at various coaches). I purchased my Overlander in 1995, and considered coaches as new as 1980 and as old as 1958.

Each era has a definite "flavor", and you will quite likely find, as you look, that a particular era is more aesthetically pleasing to you than any other (you may also find that a particular floorplan may be "the one" for you as well). I grew up with my '64 -- I was five years old when friends of my family purchased it new (I lost track of it after they sold it in the early 1980s); so it seemed like an old friend, and I didn't have to think twice about purchasing it -- most of the other Airstreams that I looked at didn't have the oak veneer cabinetry with the comfortable rear bath and mid-coach twins (all features that I remembered with great fondness from my early contact with the coach when it was new).

I later became interested in the Minuets (1977-1979 -- 6.0 Metre, 6.7 Metre, and 7.3 Metre) after encountering my first one at the International Rally in Sioux Falls, SD in 2001(?). The 1970s coaches have a very differen "flavor" from the 1960s coaches, but have some features that can be just as endearing -- I enjoy the quirks of my '78 including the tambour cabinet doors (all uppers were replaced with new birch veneer that has been pickled to resemble the original laminate tambours), vinyl-clad aluminum cabinetry (unique to the Minuets), the deep-wrap wing windows (first used in the 1970s Argosys), and composite aluminum floors (unique to the Minuets).

Good luck with your search for the ideal Airstream!

Kevin

[Ken J]

Need to remember a couple things - the "plastic" was viewed at the time as an improvement - laminate is not cheap - it was supposed to last forever. As far as the tail droop problems - that was caused by more and more being added to the trailers and bigger and bigger trailers demanded by the market. Most tail droop did not show up for years - long after SOB's would have been toast. I've heard this before, but I don't see where frames were made smaller - in fact they did get beefier in the 60's and a steel plate was added in the mid 70's to fix the frame problems.

70's were a tough time for all manufacturers -

Ken J

[troubleskeep]

Don't see the '70 years to be cheaply built. See them to be a canvas, nicely aged on which to build your ideal unit. My wife and I have been bouncing back and forth, do we fix it, do we ditch it, fix it, ditch it ... and while I'm not sure we've REALLY decided. I think we're going to replace what needs replacing. I'm not going to worry about keeping a vintage look to it, as you said, the quality is not really there. However, that does not mean that I can't rip out the particle board and cheap plastic and hopefully put in some tasteful and useful new cabinetry. I'm looking for very light weight, but sturdy wall material. I've been looking at honeycombed products that are as much air as board. I haven't really found any that are practical or even light, yet. Heck, I've even though about doing away with most of the walls entirely, with just one separator wall between the living room and the bath/bed rooms. We're not to that to that point yet. We need to fix the major systems first so we can use it this summer. It'll be cheaper then 2 weeks in a hotel even if it's seems out of order.

87MH is doing a wonderful " expose' " of a 1978 (one year older then ours) and I've seen many gut and rebuild projects since I joined here two years ago and they have been fabulous.

So chin up, offer the seller a really old, tarnished dime and see if they'll sell it to you for what YOU think it's worth. Then we can all have something to work on this summer! And Welcome to the wild and wonderful land of people crazy about aluminum-inum!

[LuminumTraila]

Troubleskeep sums up our position with our 70s trailer right now, we're deciding what to ditch and what to keep. So we're working out both a short term and long term plan -- do what's needed to make it useable while we plan out a more complete interior makeover. With a 70s trailer you can take out anything cheap, plastic, or of poor workmanship or quality and replace it with whatever your taste and budget will allow. The only real trouble with this is there are so many possibilities that we can't make up our minds!!

[Anon]

Originally Posted by dscluchfc

You were looking at one that was made during the "Beatrice Years", I believe.
Beatrice Foods owned airstream for a while during the 70s...mid to late. Anyway, they cut corners, made the frame smaller and cheaper, experienced coaches with "tail droop" especially if they had rear bath, etc.
If I was going vintage, I would go to the 60's for a coach.
Otherwise, if I wanted a nice trailer, and wanted to avoid the "Beatrice trailers", I would go about 1982 or later.
In any event, a used trailer is only as good as the pride of ownership reflected in it's maintenance. Junk results from lack of attention to maintenance, and should be priced to reflect the condition.
It took me about 2 years to find my 1984-31 ft Excella. A two owner, no kids trailer that had been maintained with pride. Good luck in your search.

Thor was founded and bought Airstream in 1979.
There is nothing wrong with the 70's models other than they were built with 70's mentality and 70's technology.
I have nearly finished my Minuet restoration. I would put it up against any 60's trailer that has been restored to near factory.
How many plastic tubs do you have from 1975 at home?

[fireflyinva]

Lou, is that a challenge? Just wait til I finish fixing up my 61!!! You will be crying turquoise tears over what you said!!!

I've seen 70s trailers done all funkadelic and they can be super fun. There are some points that are far simpler to work on, I hear. But either way, it has to be something that you feel you can love. Any ways you look at it, an old trailer is going to have more complications--from outdated technologies, replacement parts, wear and tear. But getting one is getting a bit of history. And, if you are like Lou and Ken, you may love the 70s--or the 60s or the 50s. Earlier than that, you are getting into true antique territory, bringing in a higher level of complication.

Any ways you slice it, its an airstream...

Mary

[balrgn]

Originally Posted by pattersontoo

Thor was founded and bought Airstream in 1979.
There is nothing wrong with the 70's models other than they were built with 70's mentality and 70's technology.
I have nearly finished my Minuet restoration. I would put it up against any 60's trailer that has been restored to near factory.
How many plastic tubs do you have from 1975 at home?

Here here! Well put Lou!

I think the basic 70's Airstream: body and frame are just fine and well built.As for the interior,the 60's used wood and then again the 80's Airstreams went back to wood. Thats the nice thing about an older Airstream, you can do just about anything you want to the interior within reason. A search of the web will turn up some beatutifully renovated interiors of older trailers. Not all are Airstreams, but it gives you an idea of what can be done. When I bought my 76 , I looked past the interior, knowing that the small space of a trailer is a lot eaiser to renovate than any house. I was concerned about the condition of the body, axles and the systems.As others have said, an older trailer requires at least some if not a lot of work, but thats part of the fun and pride of ownership.

[uwe]

Having dug quite deep into both a 1963 Overlander and a 1971 Tradewind, I must state that there is nothing wrong with the frames on the 70's model vs. the 60's model. As a matter of fact, I found the 70's frame much stronger than the frame under the 63, which was a very flimsy c-profile until it was completely reinforced.
Most of the damages on the 70's trailers can be directly traced to abuse, either by accident or through plain neglect.
I believe that the windows, door frames, skin, and general build quality got much better towards the late 60's, into the early 70's. This is where my experience ends. I have not worked or been around a later model trailer.
I agree that the interiors leave lots to be desired in facto atmosphere and color choices. However, my 1971 Tradewind is still completely intact, plastic and all, which in my opinion is an amazing fact, given that it is 34 years old. Not trying to defend or glorify, simply stating my view.

[Anon]

Originally Posted by fireflyinva

Lou, is that a challenge? Just wait til I finish fixing up my 61!!! You will be crying turquoise tears over what you said!!!

I've seen 70s trailers done all funkadelic and they can be super fun. There are some points that are far simpler to work on, I hear. But either way, it has to be something that you feel you can love. Any ways you look at it, an old trailer is going to have more complications--from outdated technologies, replacement parts, wear and tear. But getting one is getting a bit of history. And, if you are like Lou and Ken, you may love the 70s--or the 60s or the 50s. Earlier than that, you are getting into true antique territory, bringing in a higher level of complication.

Any ways you slice it, its an airstream...

Mary

I guess you could say that is a challenge, Mary. "Put yer aluminum where yer mouth is" sort of thing!
I like the more modern look of the 1970's era A/S and, as all of you know, the Argosy is my favorite! I have torn apart a 1963 Bambi and the dual electrical circuits and galvanized steel water tank did not thrill me! I did this back when the 1970's trailers were still rather new!
The laminated aluminum in my Minuet is in nearly as good of shape now as it was when it rolled off of the line in 1977.
As for the plastic tubs? They were gone before I got the trailer.
My parent's 1973 31-footer still has the original plastic tubs and they are still in EXCELLENT shape. It all adds up to how well the trailer is kept from the time it is new.

[wahoonc]

I think Uwe has a good point on how well cared for it was...I thought mine had been abused...(it was) but I went and looked at one for sale the other day that made mine look almost new...and with what he was asking for it....
I have been in many Airstreams, but am intimately aquainted with the 70's models. I like the laminate it easy to keep clean and the interior is fairly easy to disassemble if you need to, kind of like one of those old wooden chinese puzzles I think one thing that happened was the requirements and demands changed (like grey tanks) they added them on without much thought or re-engineering. It happened with the auto industry in the mid to late 70's, they kept hanging pollution control equipment on the cars and they ran like crap and had little power but look at them now. I am happy with my unit, there are many things I wish were done different, but I am still way ahead of the game...I doubt a 30 year old SOB would have stood up to the missuse and dissuse my trailer has taken.

Another thing that draws me to the mid 70's units are the weights, my GVW on a 31' is 7200# that is LESS than the base DRY WEIGHT of the current model I like being able to tow my trailer with something other than a Class 8 truck

Aaron

[fireflyinva]

Originally Posted by pattersontoo

I guess you could say that is a challenge, Mary. "Put yer aluminum where yer mouth is" sort of thing!

Ok, them's fighting words! 70s? Go ahead and hang out in your Partridge Family trailer, Lou!

You're just jealous...my trailer comes with mai tais and Bert Kaempfert music!

Mary
ready to clean house...to the tune of Sergio Mendes and the Brazil 66! Oariá raiô! Obá Obá Obá!

[Foiled Again]

Originally Posted by Jani

I just wanted to say that last weekend we went to look at our first vintage Airstream for sale, and we were so disappointed.

If you're ready to dig in and fix up I've spotted THREE airstreams of 70's vintage in this area. Most of the vintage that have been restored are going to stay with their owners for life - too much blood, toil, sweat and tears to ever sell them.

The fixer-uppers? Well you'd better be all business and know what it would cost to repair them - time, money AND skill required. Buy at YOUR price or walk away!

Others out there please help. Isn't there a vintage friendly A/S dealer in New Jersey?

Tin Lizzie

[balrgn]

Originally Posted by Jani

I just wanted to say that last weekend we went to look at our first vintage Airstream for sale, and we were so disappointed. I have been looking for about a year, and love vintage, but this was really crummy, and not just the condition. It was a 1975 Tradewind, and the quality was just not there. For example. the small bins under the couches and beds were just so cheap, and so many other things were really cheesy, like 'plasticky',i know that's not a word. But after seeing so many photos, we felt bad that the real thing turned out to be so cheaply made. We have seen the new ones, and they are gorgeous, and made extremely well, compared to other manufacturers. Could this have been a fluke> The only other one there was a 1961 23ft, and it was a total wreck, but I could see that it was maybe made a little better than this '75.

OK, Now I'm curious? Of the quality of the things that you did not like? Do you feel the pieces could have been replaced by previous owners, and, were something less than sturdy replacements?

Or, original equipment. My ’75 and ’76 are both in pretty good shape. I feel very fortunate of that. There is very little signs of wear. The upgrades we are making are for personal preference, nothing more.

The overwhelming reason we chose the 70’s route, other than being stuck in the 70’s () is the fact they have 2 holding tanks, more convenience in this.