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dpandorf · 05-01-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by silverback

Diesel is down here in PHX ($2.759) but gas is up. So I don't think we can blame it on Fidel's buddy Hugo (this time). It probably is a refinery, summer reformulation thing but I still smell a conspiracy.
-KL

I believe if each state wants their own unique formula they should be required to have the refinery capacity to do that in their own state!

janetbjt · 05-01-2007, 02:04 PM

our cheapest today is at costco at $3.11 for regular, here in eugene, oregon!

DFord79 · 05-01-2007, 02:33 PM

Just came from Costco this am. 3.07 for regular. Chevron is 3.24 and ARCO is 3.11. Diesel...for the first time is years is about the same prive as gas. Chevron deisel was 3.09 this am.

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp

You can find all the prices in the US on this AAA site.

Minnie's Mate · 05-01-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dpandorf

I believe if each state wants their own unique formula they should be required to have the refinery capacity to do that in their own state!

I personally don't trust Georgia to regulate a refinery in our state. Our current governor is known as an environmentalist but I especially wouldn't trust him to try and establish regulations for a refinery. When he came into the governor's office we had a working, established telecommuting program that included an effective car pooling program that reduced the number of state employees that drove to work alone by approximately 40%...he canceled it the first year. The cost of this program was less than $30 per participating employee for a five month period. He gives lip service to the private sector about work-at-home programs but throws up so many road blocks that state employees can't participate. He is such a farcst.

dpandorf · 05-01-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Minnie's Mate

I personally don't trust Georgia to regulate a refinery in our state. Our current governor is known as an environmentalist but I especially wouldn't trust him to try and establish regulations for a refinery. When he came into the governor's office we had a working, established telecommuting program that included an effective car pooling program that reduced the number of state employees that drove to work alone by approximately 40%...he canceled it the first year. The cost of this program was less than $30 per participating employee for a five month period. He gives lip service to the private sector about work-at-home programs but throws up so many road blocks that state employees can't participate. He is such a farcst.

Then I'd suggest we write our national congress members to eliminate all the different state's formulas and institute 2 national formulas, one for winter one for summer. Then our refineries wouldn't have an excuse then in not being able to juggle all the unique blends. Especially since all of the environmentalists would keep the courts tied up with law suits preventing the states that want to expand our refinery capacity.

DFord79 · 05-01-2007, 06:13 PM

Speaking of formula's. I heard on a Radio talk show some time back that there are some 600+ formulas in the US. Each city can request a formula to meet their own polution standards. This was a congressmen making this statement. SO>>> I ask our local Chevron distributor....HE pretty much backed up that statement. Saying there were dozens of different BLENDS just in HIS distribution area. However...these blends come from additives AFTER they are refined. He told me all gasoline is essentially the same regardless of who....Shell, chevron, texaco, exxon, mobil etc.,,,refines it when it come out of the refinery. It has to meet federal standards and that is the same everywhere. But,,,each area can specify different additive packages...and there are more then 600 in the US>>..holly crap...ya think that we could get this down to maybe HIGH altitude and Sea Level concocksion and be done with it????

Coloradobus · 05-01-2007, 06:59 PM

Earlier it was mentioned about "diesel" power. Europe and rest of the world get all the great fuel mileage vehicles. For one, the new Land Rover Freelander II ( on this continent "LR2") with a diesel gets 38mpg Hwy. Gee, an SUV that gets better than some US economy cars. The Audi A-8 Twin Turbo diesel gets 40mpg on the Hwy.
Our '98 Mercedes E300 TD gets 40 mpg hwy and 28.6 city. Its great driving a larger safer car that can go from Denver to Las Vegas on one tank.
South Africa has turbo diesel Jeep Grand Cherokees, Dodge Mini Vans, etc.
Heck in Canada you can buy a Mercedes Smart Car SmartForTwo with a .9 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel and it gets 84 hwy and 61 city. Yet, when they import them here as a "grey market car" the engine is swapped for a 3 cylinder gas lump and it barely gets 50 mpg... Go figure! The Mercedes SUV, the ML270 diesel is made in Alabama and is sent to Europe. We will we ever see that one? NO! We get stuck with the gasoline powered crapp Detroit grinds out.

JimGolden · 05-01-2007, 07:29 PM

Anybody on here have a Jeep Liberty Diesel? If so, how do you like it? How's the drivability? And what kind of fuel mileage?

Minnie's Mate · 05-02-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DFord79

Speaking of formula's. I heard on a Radio talk show some time back that there are some 600+ formulas in the US. Each city can request a formula to meet their own polution standards. This was a congressmen making this statement. SO>>> I ask our local Chevron distributor....HE pretty much backed up that statement. Saying there were dozens of different BLENDS just in HIS distribution area. However...these blends come from additives AFTER they are refined. He told me all gasoline is essentially the same regardless of who....Shell, chevron, texaco, exxon, mobil etc.,,,refines it when it come out of the refinery. It has to meet federal standards and that is the same everywhere. But,,,each area can specify different additive packages...and there are more then 600 in the US>>..holly crap...ya think that we could get this down to maybe HIGH altitude and Sea Level concocksion and be done with it????

This is exactly why I wouldn't want my state to get involved in writing regulations for refineries. Metro Atlanta has Ozone season that runs from May-September. The rest of the state does not, to my knowledge, participate in Ozone season. Therefore, there are at least two different blends of gasoline for Georgia. Add to that the low sulfur stuff for summer through-out the state during summer and regular stuff during the rest of the summer. We're up to four now. Then there is diesel. There is winter blend for the northern part of the state, but I don't think the souther part of the state needs it because the winters are mild enough to not require it. Now we're up to six blends. Now, does Metro Atlanta require another blend of diesel during the Ozone months? That would make an additional pair of blends. Where would it stop if Georgia law makers had complete control over every drop that is produced? They would regulate the gasoline out the wazu!

DFord79 · 05-02-2007, 11:13 AM

I have read articles that claim this FORMULA thing has caused a 12 percent increase in gas price alone? I have a philosophy about things in general. IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL SOMETHING MAKE IT SO COMPLICATED THAT NOBODY BUT THE ONES IN CONTROL UNDERSTAND IT.

NorCal Bambi · 05-02-2007, 11:37 AM

Yreka, CA Premium 3.79

Lee Pace · 05-02-2007, 03:40 PM

I just remembered! The picture of a bicycle pulling an Airstream. If it gets too bad we can go for it!!! Seriously, I think it will definitely affect our travel this summer.

G. Pace
72 Sovereign
84 Avion
WBCCI 7287
Grenville, Tx

Minnie's Mate · 05-03-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gloria Pace

I just remembered! The picture of a bicycle pulling an Airstream. If it gets too bad we can go for it!!! Seriously, I think it will definitely affect our travel this summer.

G. Pace
72 Sovereign
84 Avion
WBCCI 7287
Grenville, Tx

The price won't affect our travel this summer, but I won't like it.

dpandorf · 05-03-2007, 08:55 AM

Just paid $2.89/gallon for diesel and reg unleaded was 2.99 south of Asheville, NC.

lilmouse · 05-03-2007, 09:49 AM

$3.15 for regular gas at BP, Mobil, and Phillips 66 here in the Chicago suburbs. I had to buy a pack of cigarettes for my husband when I filled up my gas tank last night: $4.50 for one pack.
I wonder if a pack of cigarettes will be cheaper than a gallon of gas at this rate. Last week, gas was at $3 a gallon.