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12-07-2008, 03:12 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Power steering powered wiper motor?
While poking around an old mid 70s Revcon Motorhome I noticed that the wiper motor was not the typical one I've seen on other Motorhomes including our Classic Motorhomes.
I had never heard of this arrangement before. Is it a dependable and reliable system? My guess is its probably a bit more expensive to install and I wonder how it would operate while turning and braking at the same time?
Just curious.
Brad
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12-07-2008, 03:36 PM
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2002 31' Classic
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Brad, How bizzzare! Charles said it should break the arms on an Icy windshield!
John B
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12-07-2008, 03:40 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbaker
Brad, How bizzzare! Charles said it should break the arms on an Icy windshield!
John B
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I hadn't thought about the wiping power that would be involved using the power steering hydraulics. Maybe I aught to go back and pull that wiper motor!
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
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1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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12-08-2008, 12:55 AM
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2005 25' Safari
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Hydraulic wipers
Hi, back in the early seventys Lincoln Mark III's had hydraulic wipers. They worked very well and had about 15 speeds. The only draw back that I found back then was the fact that on the inlet side of the wiper motor was a filter screen; Most people didn't know about the filter and when it got clogged up [very rare] the wipers and power steering would be weak.
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12-08-2008, 01:05 AM
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Brad, did you follow the lines to the pump? I've seen wiper motors, especially on medium duty trucks, with vacuum-powered wipers.
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12-08-2008, 11:58 AM
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1974 20' Argosy 20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by overlander63
Brad, did you follow the lines to the pump? I've seen wiper motors, especially on medium duty trucks, with vacuum-powered wipers.
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Terry,
I followed the lines down to the lower left front area of the engine. The lines appeared to be high pressure lines that connected to the wiper motor. When I first saw the arrangement I thought it was a vacuum arrangement. But after looking closer at the high pressure lines and where they were routed I decided it was operated from the power steering pump.
After having vacuum wipers on my first car (1955 Olds Delta 88 Deluxe) I decided I never wanted to use vacuum wipers again, especially in the winter in Nebraska!
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
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12-08-2008, 12:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS
They worked very well and had about 15 speeds.
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How was the speed adjusted from inside the car?!
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
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12-08-2008, 12:26 PM
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1965 17' Caravel
1983 27' Excella
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There will be one high pressure line, and one return line, just like the power steering unit.
My 1972 Chevy "Snap-On" truck had power brakes that were powered in the same way.
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12-08-2008, 01:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Foster
My 1972 Chevy "Snap-On" truck had power brakes that were powered in the same way.
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Jim, do you know if that was a Hydroboost or Hydravac system? Not that it matters in this discussion, just curious.
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12-08-2008, 01:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by overlander63
Jim, do you know if that was a Hydroboost or Hydravac system? Not that it matters in this discussion, just curious.
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Yes, I think it was a Hydroboost, but I can't tell you for sure. Too many miles under the wheels since then.
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12-08-2008, 01:31 PM
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Just did a little search. Yes, it was a Hydro-boost. Worked just fine. They are used extensively on vehicles such as diesels which have no vacuum. My truck was gas, but I think it was used there as it could be placed sideways. The hood on that truck was very short.
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12-08-2008, 01:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Foster
Just did a little search. Yes, it was a Hydro-boost. Worked just fine. They are used extensively on vehicles such as diesels which have no vacuum. My truck was gas, but I think it was used there as it could be placed sideways. The hood on that truck was very short.
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My 1977 Lincoln Continental has the same system for the power brakes.
Bill
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12-08-2008, 02:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wkerfoot
My 1977 Lincoln Continental has the same system for the power brakes.
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IIRC, your Continental also had something called "Anti-Skid" as an option. It was the first ABS system I am aware of, available from 1975-77 on higher-end models such as Grand Marquis, LTD Brougham, Town Car, and Continental.
Boy, we've dragged this thread way off topic, from power windshield wipers to ABS systems...
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12-08-2008, 02:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by overlander63
IIRC, your Continental also had something called "Anti-Skid" as an option. It was the first ABS system I am aware of, available from 1975-77 on higher-end models such as Grand Marquis, LTD Brougham, Town Car, and Continental.
Boy, we've dragged this thread way off topic, from power windshield wipers to ABS systems...
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Terry,
You are somewhat correct, in that I believe that the "Anti-Skid" option was available only with rear disc brakes. Perhaps standard on the Marks, since I think that they had rear disc brakes. My Lincoln has drums on the rear.
Bill
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12-08-2008, 10:46 PM
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2005 25' Safari
Salem
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More information?
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Originally Posted by bkahler
How was the speed adjusted from inside the car?!
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Hi, on the dash board was an ordinary wiper knob that turned on the wipers; It had several detents in the switch and each detent was a diffferent speed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Foster
There will be one high pressure line, and one return line, just like the power steering unit.
My 1972 Chevy "Snap-On" truck had power brakes that were powered in the same way.
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Hi, Hydro boost and hydaulic wipers worked from the power steering pump pressure. On 462 Lincolns the pump was mounted to the timing cover and turned directly from the crank shaft
Hi, my Mac Tools truck in 1986 built on a GM P-30 chassis with a Grumman Olsen body had hydro boost power brakes, and it was also a gas engine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by overlander63
IIRC, your Continental also had something called "Anti-Skid" as an option. It was the first ABS system I am aware of, available from 1975-77 on higher-end models such as Grand Marquis, LTD Brougham, Town Car, and Continental.
Boy, we've dragged this thread way off topic, from power windshield wipers to ABS systems...
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Hi, the early Ford/Lincoln ABS system was called "Sure Track"; It had a control module under the dash and a second vacuum booster and master cylinder mounted, on the frame, under the A/C evaporator case.
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12-08-2008, 11:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by overlander63
Brad, did you follow the lines to the pump? I've seen wiper motors, especially on medium duty trucks, with vacuum-powered wipers.
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Hi, looking at the picture, the main body of this wiper motor looks very much like a vacuum motor, but vacuum wipers only had one small vacuum hose connected to it instead of the two larger hydraulic hoses. Also the cable connection from the in-dash switch is the same set up for both type motors.
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12-08-2008, 11:10 PM
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1978 31' Sovereign
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The 1966 T-bird had wipers operated with fluid from the power steering pump. I would guess that the '64 and '65 did also. The control was a lever that could be position anywhere from off to full on.
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12-24-2008, 04:29 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2008 28' International
Palm Springs
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My 1965 Lincoln Continental had the same set up as your T-Bird. It was a fully variable speed control and very reliable..no leaks or mechanical problems during the time I had the car.
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