1962 Globetrotter New to Me

[62GlobeTrot]

Hello-We just bought a 1962 Globe Trotter, absolutely love it but it needs some work, HA! We are planning for a full reno, haven't started but the plan is:
-Gutting interior to include existing kitchen and bath
*Note* We are not reusing the tub, bathroom cabinet/sink, kitchen cabinet setup which includes a huge heater, sink, stove/oven (Oven literally looks brand new, no way it has ever been used but a few times). We are not re-using these pieces, not sure if they are worth anything, I can add pictures in, if someone can let me know if they are worth selling or just gifting to a Globe Trotter in need!
-Original furniture is gone so we are building custom replacements, I am a woodworker by hobby so this is one of the fun parts for me
-New Subfloor, belly pan, axle and shocks
*If anyone on here has done this to a '62 and has tips I am all ears, especially on Axle replacement choice.
-Adding rooftop AC, new custom sized shower
-New wiring and plumbing
So basically everything! It is my all winter project in hopes of getting it ready for next summer, I work from home so I will be posting up in the AS all winter working both my job and on my new toy!

[Stevareeno]

Hi There. What a coincidence as we also picked up a '62 Globetrotter recently also! This is in the Madison, WI area. Picked up a month ago.

Wondering if you found a vin on the A Frame or are going with what is on the tag on the side. Or maybe you were lucky enough to get a title.

I have googled everything and can't seem to find what would be used on an actual Title. Ours has the nameplates on the side luckily but can't find a stamp on the frame.

The manufacturers stamp shows 19ss1905 761
The 761 is at the end in what looks like a separate somewhat angled stamp.
The DOH number is: 1232882
M-4 S-1905 2431

Anyway, sure would like to see your pics. Ours is a FULL redo!

[Bubba L]

Originally Posted by Stevareeno

Hi There. What a coincidence as we also picked up a '62 Globetrotter recently also! This is in the Madison, WI area. Picked up a month ago.

Wondering if you found a vin on the A Frame or are going with what is on the tag on the side. Or maybe you were lucky enough to get a title.

I have googled everything and can't seem to find what would be used on an actual Title. Ours has the nameplates on the side luckily but can't find a stamp on the frame.

The manufacturers stamp shows 19ss1905 761
The 761 is at the end in what looks like a separate somewhat angled stamp.
The DOH number is: 1232882
M-4 S-1905 2431

Anyway, sure would like to see your pics. Ours is a FULL redo!

Stevareeno, from the numbers you posted, your may be the fifth GT made in 61. Is your toilet on the street side? Take a look at the Airstream Archives/pictures and see what you come up with. That’s a neat trailer.

[57Vintage]

I don't believe you will find a matching number on the frame and ID plate. Mine does not have an 'VIN number' of any kind on the frame.

PM 66 Overlander, he is the historian and would have more accurate information regarding this for you.

[Bubba L]

Harold, I think Stevareeno has two threads. Joe did post yesterday on the other one and confirmed the GT to be a 61.

[62GlobeTrot]

Stevareeno, so sorry it took me forever to reply, I took a brief Airstream hiatus over the holidays but have put some serious hours into my project the last few weeks and decided I needed to get back on here to update and stay active.

Ours did come with a title to go along with the inflated price tag that we happily paid. The title simply states the year and does say "Airstream Globetrotter", it also lists the Vin number on the tag on the side right beside the door. I have not found a VIN of any sort on the frame so far but I am about to get to know it very well as I prep it for a coat of POR-15 so I will let you know if I find anything. I'm about to do a big update post and add some pictures. On a side note you are waaaayyyyy ahead of me! Good for you, Ive done exactly what you have and am having the frame repaired next week and have a new axle on the way as well. Removing subfloor, internal skins, bellypan.....that was tough, happy its behind me!

[Coloradobus]

Hi. We are interested in your parts for our 1962. I sent you a pm

[groovzilla]

Enjoy the remodel on your GT!!

I spent 6 months restoring the interior of my 63 GT. I'm close to finished but took a year off and just jumping back in.

Couple of helpful hints/info & changes I made:
- thoroughly check the sewer waste valve on your black tank because 99% of them leak - mine leaked and I removed tank and fitted the VTS adapter for the later style waste valve.
- I cut back the closet in the bathroom on a 45 degree angle to allow more room around the toilet.
I removed the non-working hot water tank and installed a propane on-demand unit
- *Since there is no grey water tank and sometimes it is necessary to "hold" the grey water, I installed a Y valve to allow kitchen sink water to go into the black tank
- I removed the non-working dangerous furnace and installed propane Olympian Catalytic Heater on a TV mount so it can be pulled out and turned in many directions.

I'd suggest completing your restoration and not taking a year break
I have forgotten some of the finishing tasks I need to complete as well as remembering some 12v wire locations/etc.

**Best to take good notes and photos when taking a break!

Have fun!!

[groovzilla]

Maiden Voyage

[62GlobeTrot]

Thank you groovzilla for the tips! I cannot wait for our Maiden Voyage, my wife and kids even more so! We decided to go the full gut route, I'm about to update my post right now so you will see its current status which is almost just frame and shell. I took about a little over a month off this winter, I was in a state of paralysis by analysis and then finally just dug into it the last few weeks and made some serious progress.

One question I have based on my current stage is what type of fasteners did you use to attach the c-channel to the outriggers/subfloor? Stainless/Galvanized/??

Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide there, thanks!

[62GlobeTrot]

I am copying this over from another Thread to keep everything together, this is from a couple months ago, then I took a break for a little over a month now back on it and about to update with a new post and pictures.

**Here is a link to the original post with the pictures http://www.airforums.com/forums/f368...ml#post2296167
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Busy, busy weekend! We got a great deal of the interior removed. David, thank you for your advice, I will post this in the classifieds but I have a stove/oven, heater and kitchen counter/cabinet that I took out, all free to a good home, shipping would be $$ because it is all HEAVY but if you are close it is all yours! I have a picture of the stove included, the interior looks almost brand new, impressive for a 62!

It poured down rain most of the day while I was in there and surprisingly I found no water coming in the windows so at least ONE thing isn't leaking but based on the severe floor rot and frame rust in the front it is coming in somewhere.

I have pictures attached but the previous owner had a table opposite the kitchen which they both screwed and GLUED to the wall, like some serious glue, we are not talking Elmers craft glue here. I used a sturdy paint scraper and a hammer to break it free with little to no damage to the internal skin, now I just have to get all the glue residue off. I am going to try a few solvents to see what works but I am open to any suggestions.

The PO was fond of glue I have found as well as finish nails, they actually shot finish nails into the interior skins to attach wood blocking under the kitchen cabinet.

I got the kitchen cabinet out as well which included the giant heavy heater and found one major leak source which was the heater vent, you can see where water has been running down the wall staining the aluminum and pooling underneath.

I cut into the closet wall to get it out easier without damaging the curve so that I could use it as a template and was surprised to find it was made of cedar and was still very aromatic!

As pictures show I found lots of floor rot up front, all the way thru in fact, some looking at air others bellypan. Also found a metal for sale sign used as a patch, very nice!

You will also note that the front cross member on the tongue was hidden behind a piece of metal and when I pulled it back I discovered it was 100% rusted out, really afraid of what we will find moving forward but I already have someone lined up to handle frame repair, just hope I do not find anything that cannot be repaired.

Today is the rear of the GT's turn, bathroom, tub, hot water heater, black and grey tanks....it all has to go!!! Too wet to get underneath it today and mess with belly pan and I think the bathroom will eat up the time I have to give today anyway but we are making progress. I ordered about $800 worth of stuff from Vintage Trailer Supply, Airstream, Out of Doors Mart and ATS that should be arriving in the next day or two so that is exciting. I found different sites offered better prices on different items.

Anywho, I will keep updating for anyone interested!
Nick

[Bubba L]

Originally Posted by 62GlobeTrot

Thank you groovzilla for the tips! I cannot wait for our Maiden Voyage, my wife and kids even more so! We decided to go the full gut route, I'm about to update my post right now so you will see its current status which is almost just frame and shell. I took about a little over a month off this winter, I was in a state of paralysis by analysis and then finally just dug into it the last few weeks and made some serious progress.

One question I have based on my current stage is what type of fasteners did you use to attach the c-channel to the outriggers/subfloor? Stainless/Galvanized/??

Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide there, thanks!

Not trying to hijack anyone’s thread, but just went through this issue with a friend of mine renovating a 56 FC in Ca. He thought stainless steel elevator bolts would be the answer for the subfloor and C-channel. They were a different type and he twisted off all that he tried to tighten. We went with Vintage Trailer Supply’s elevator bolts. Used a Forstner bit to flush the heads at the plywood surface. Made sure to have one at every outrigger and spaced along the crossmembers. We initially installed the C-channel with #10 x 3/4” SS wood screws. We also added a bit of polyurethane caulk to the bottom of the elevator bolts to make nothing loosened up or rusted. Good luck and please post your progress. Good luck

[62GlobeTrot]

Bubba L you can hijack this post anytime you want! This is the advice I need so thank you. Did you also use the elevator bolts from vintage trailer supply inside the C-channel as well to hold it in place or did you use something different there? Is there any worry with the SS corroding the aluminium c-channel? I actually bought all stainless steel lag bolts/washers/nylok washers today but can easily return, I got home and double checked and realized SS still corrodes aluminum just like normal steel so I hesitated and was going to ask for some advice.

[62GlobeTrot]

Pictures!

Picture #6 is the front a pillar/ support that is totally rusted away, well about 85% gone at least. Picture #3 is the top of one of the cross members, that is the rust level I am dealing with. The others are frame, cross members and an outrigger

[62GlobeTrot]

More pictures!

Last picture was a surprise I found behind a patch, no clue what the plan was, there is a dent on the outside in that general area but not right there and it has not been popped out so I am not really sure.

Picture 3 shows behind the the front A pillar/cross member displaying how rusted out it is, planning to use a piece of 4" tube there to replace.

Pictures 4 & 5, Ill be eager to hear thoughts on this. that piece of metal that crosses the front entry way was obviously added on later, it is held in by 2 screws and poorly at that. it does not go out far enough on the front side to reach the main door pillar so it is floating, you can see in pic 5 me pushing it into place. I need to replace this, what was originally here, can anyone share a pic of what that should look like?? They also had a piece of aluminum wrapped over it and under the step preventing the step from dropping, that is gone now.

2nd to last pic shows the front hold down plate, or whats left of it, any thoughts on what to replace this with??

[Bubba L]

Originally Posted by 62GlobeTrot

Bubba L you can hijack this post anytime you want! This is the advice I need so thank you. Did you also use the elevator bolts from vintage trailer supply inside the C-channel as well to hold it in place or did you use something different there? Is there any worry with the SS corroding the aluminium c-channel? I actually bought all stainless steel lag bolts/washers/nylok washers today but can easily return, I got home and double checked and realized SS still corrodes aluminum just like normal steel so I hesitated and was going to ask for some advice.

Stainless steel does create galvanic corrosion to aluminum. From what I understand, it takes moisture to create electrolytes. I always kept the stainless screws separated from the aluminum by placing a non-metallic washer like gasket material or rubber. But mostly we would squirt some Parbond down first before installing the screws. There are a lot of different ways to keep the screw head from touching the aluminum, even covering the head of the screw after installing with caulk. Nyloks should keep things separate. Just deal with the head.

[Bubba L]

We did run elevator bolts through the C-channel near the end of the outriggers.

[Slawts0908]

Just butting in, so apologies. I’m in the UK mud doing my 1959 Avion R23 (don’t spit)
I’ve chickened out of doing the whole floor, but only the worst sections. I’ve found numerous sites of the underbelly corrosion where it was bolted to the steel chassis. I’m saving vinyl tiles to cut and sandwich between the two metals when I get around to fixing it back up. (In the summer!)
One hell of a project you have here. Am I thought I had my wok cut out!

[Slawts0908]

[groovzilla]

Looks like your question has been answered regarding the floor bolts.

looks like your 62 GT has some serious frame rust and some of the metal needs replacing like those outriggers in the photos. good job getting down to the base bones to inspect.
my 63 GT didn't have any rusted metal framework so didn't need to go that route.
*when i get home next week i'll upload some photo's of the bathroom remodel and the Y valve i installed for the kitchen sink drain to grey water tank.
--->remember these GT's didn't have grey water holding tank and system is designed for grey water to either dump out on the ground from waste valve(or thru connection hose attached to waste vale) or not having grey water be used.
a simple solution is to have the kitchen sink T valve so you can route the grey water to the black holding tank if needed.

enjoy your restoration and look forward to seeing the progress!