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02-14-2007, 08:20 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1965 17' Caravel
Canadensis
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jan 2007
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What to expect for $3K
I have been looking for something small to solo in on weekends. I have been reading some posts on this forum and have some ideas what to look out for, including leaks softening the floor, lack of good title, serious shell problems and indications of frame problems. I am not sure what to expect for $3,000. The units that are rebuilt to modern standards sell for very high prices but what does that mean? It seems these are pretty desirable trailers.
Barry
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02-14-2007, 08:31 AM
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Retired.
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Well, for $3000 you can expect to get a trailer that is unrestored, and may be usable as-is, with some work needed. The kind of work it needs will be different as far as what yaer, and what size trailer you find for that money.
You will be able to get a slightly larger trailer in better shape for $3000 than a smaller one. A $3000 Caravel may need almost everything replaced, and a $3000 Tradewind or Overlander may need only some basic repairs before being usable. This is because the smaller trailers can be towed more easily, and by many more tow vehicles, than the larger trailers. Many people choose to buy towability rather than size.
It is probably better to get a trailer that hasn't been overly molested so you can molest it yourself , and alter it as you need.
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02-14-2007, 08:33 AM
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Always Airstreaming!
2005 22' Safari
1960 24' Tradewind
Anytown
, Connecticut
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Barry-
Greetings! What has become most sought after are the smaller vintage trailers which are now fetching some serious $$$. It most often is not any particular upgrade just the vintage and size. I have seen 1960's Bambis needing major restoration work listing at $10K! The price of a smaller AS will depend mostly on the year and condition. For $3,000 don't expect too much, but bargins and good buys are out there. You need to keep looking and hve patience! Good luck on your search!
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02-14-2007, 08:40 AM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
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We got ours for $3500...solid floor and almost "campable" from my POV...the foam was a goner and the upholstery was disintegrated...but everything functioned & worked as it was supposed to (we got lucky). Almost every trailer is going to need deep elbow-grease cleaning, but depending on your comfort level...the amount of $$$ after purchase is negotiable. Most in the lower price ranges unfortunately are going to need more than just elbow-grease...but they are out there.
We have redone alot...and put about $8-9,000 into it over 5 years to make Maxwell a 9-1/2 -10 in our eyes...but he was very useable after $500 + purchase price.
Check out the before & after photos in my photo gallery...
Shari
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02-14-2007, 08:56 AM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Flying Cloud
Venice
, California
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 672
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PoconoAir
I am not sure what to expect for $3,000.
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depends on what you're looking for. i doubt you'll find a caravel for 3K, even one that needs everything (there's always exceptions though). you're more likely to find one that needs most everything between 4K and 6K, not inlcuding transportation costs. the likelihood of finding a caravel close to home is slim (unless you can find one advertised locally or better yet, not advertised at all) as people who are looking for the smaller trailers really do look all over the country and it's not uncommon to have them shipped 2500 miles (although expensive).
also as the warmer weather comes around, prices tend to increase as more people have the "impulse big" and that will drive up demand which drives up prices.
i looked for several months and was initially looking for a caravel. after seeing a few online go for more than 5K with dents et all, i looked at other options, i.e. a slightly bigger trailer. i spent 3K on my 22' flying cloud and it was essentially a shell (which i knew from reading so much info from this site). the interior was intact but all chopped up and painted and i had planned on gutting anyway and looked for a trailer that warranted being gutted.
one thing to remember is the cost of used airstream trailers is inversely proportional to the length, i.e. smaller trailer = more money, so i'd break it down like this;
<22' - expect to pay around 5K for something that needs a lot of work. expect to pay around 10K for something that may need some work (including new subfloor that has been masked by PO). expect to pay as much as 25K for something completely restored, polished and ready to go.
22'/23' - expect to pay around 3K for something that needs work. can get a shell with the interior already gone/missing for < 3000. may be able to find something between 3K and 5K that could be usuable but will still need work.
>24' - this is where you can really find the deals. trailers this size are less desirable (but still very desireable) because of there size and as a result there are more available than smaller trailers. you could get a trailer with interior for 1500. it will need work though.
those are some general guidlelines and of course there are exceptions to every rule.
good luck on your search. patience is also your friend on the quest for a used airstream.
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02-14-2007, 09:04 AM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
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You can alwyas refer to the Price vs Conditon website to get a feel for overall prices & repair costs...it's a great reference tool. Of course...there are always exceptions ~
Shari
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02-14-2007, 10:04 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1965 17' Caravel
Canadensis
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 124
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Years ago I bought 7.7 acres of industrial property off a tax sale list for $600.00 and the previous night was sleepless. I feel another sleepless night coming.
Barry
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02-14-2007, 10:11 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
1964 26' Overlander
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
Anna
, Illinois
Join Date: Sep 2002
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What to expect for $3K
Greetings Barry!
There is another possibility if a polished aluminum exterior isn't critical to your dream. The Argosy coaches (1971-1979) have the basic Airstream shape and construction with a slightly lower level of standard equipment than their sister Airstream products. While Argosy values have steadily increased over the past decade, their values still lag behind those of similar year and size Airstreams. The one possible exception is the Minuet series (1977-1979) that has been experiencing a relative surge in popularity.
If you aren't disturbed by the painted exteriors, an Argosy may be one way of streching your budget a bit further.
Good luck with your search!
Kevin
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02-14-2007, 10:22 AM
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Rivet Master
1971 21' Globetrotter
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Arvada
, Colorado
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I bought my 21ft Globetrotter for 1800 and felt lucky to get it. I was really looking for a 19ft Globetrotter but just could not find one locally, and A long distance purchuse did not appeal to me, but I almost did buy one in Califormia, gutted and without title, for 3500. I found mine local on Craigslist after a long search, not a 19ft but close enough. I am now in the process of a complete overhaul (if it ever quits snowing). The interior was in very poor condition so the new interior will be for my wife and myself and nobody else, and will be reconfigured to suit our needs. The Trailer was a mobile locksmith shop at one time so the kitchen was replaced with a workbench. They are out there but you really have to look.
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02-14-2007, 10:34 AM
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Moderator
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
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I've been looking for a small Airstream to gut for commercial use at trade shows and this is what I have found. I can buy nice campable 31 footers for $5,000. Anything under 20' that has a decent outer body is $10,000 and up.
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02-14-2007, 10:38 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1965 17' Caravel
Canadensis
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 124
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Aerowood that sounds like something I would like, two person hot tub in the back and fireplace in the front.
Snowing here in PA too.
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02-14-2007, 12:04 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1965 17' Caravel
Canadensis
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 124
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So is there any reason a Caravel should take a back seat to a Bambi?
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02-14-2007, 01:03 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1971 23' Safari
Groveport
, Ohio
Join Date: Mar 2006
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We found our safari 23' for $3,000 with just a visual inspection. I will have a bath floor replacement if it ever warms up but other than tires I think was useable as found.But does need a full gasket job and axles down the road.You can see as found photo's in 71 safari.
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02-14-2007, 01:24 PM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
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Estancia
, New Mexico
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Vintage Airstream Inverse Proportion Rule
The amount of money required to make a vintage Airstream campable is inversely proportional to the square of the purchase price. $3000 is statistically the median point.
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02-14-2007, 02:23 PM
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Always Airstreaming!
2005 22' Safari
1960 24' Tradewind
Anytown
, Connecticut
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall
The amount of money required to make a vintage Airstream campable is inversely proportional to the square of the purchase price. $3000 is statistically the median point.
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Meaning figure another $6000 to make it good to go? Paid $3500 for the Trade Wind, so far spent $3100 and I still haven't seen the inside! Some of us are born to restore others destined to be in the right place at the right time.
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02-14-2007, 02:24 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PoconoAir
So is there any reason a Caravel should take a back seat to a Bambi?
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Nope...the Caravel is an updated Bambi.
Bambi & Bambi II up to 1961-64 and
Caravel after that 1965-71.
Essentially the same, Airstream's smallest model for those years
Shari
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02-14-2007, 02:29 PM
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Naysayer
1968 24' Tradewind
Russellville
, earth
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For 3K, you get the first step into a larger world and a tremendous adventure.
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02-14-2007, 02:39 PM
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Always Airstreaming!
2005 22' Safari
1960 24' Tradewind
Anytown
, Connecticut
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,115
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What I do find very surprising is the low prices on the larger AS trailers right now. If I had a longer driveway you can bet I would be adding a 34' Excella to the corral.
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Sandi Gould
NEU New England Unit
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2009 Silverado 2500HD
2004 22' Safari
1960 24' Tradewind
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02-14-2007, 05:43 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1965 17' Caravel
Canadensis
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 124
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What would be the chances for survival of a mom and pop industry taking the middle out of Excellas, riveting them back together to make designer Caravels? Would you need to lighten the frame?
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02-14-2007, 05:46 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1965 17' Caravel
Canadensis
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 124
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Rick and Sandy, is that like a remuda? Always liked that word since the days of Rawhide back when TV was free and more show than commercials.
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