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07-12-2017, 07:30 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 23' FB Flying Cloud
Sacramento
, California
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 106
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So interesting how we are all different in our priorities. One of the big reasons we went with the 23'FB is that I WANTED A DOUBLE SINK. When boon docking I can have soapy water in one side & rinse in the other. (Of course I am old enough to have done dishes this way when I was a kid.) It saves water both in & out. I use the cutting board covers over the sinks as counter all the time.
Our big complaint was with the U-dinette, so... (I've posted the photo before, but here it is again.) We have a fold-up table stored behind the bed & pull it out for meals & prep when needed & take it outside when that's preferred.
The bench seat is for lounging & makes into a bed for kids when they visit. (Wide enough that 2 can fit.)
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07-12-2017, 07:32 AM
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#222
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3 Rivet Member
2015 23' FB Flying Cloud
Sacramento
, California
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 106
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Us too. Extra hose is key.
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07-12-2017, 07:37 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' International
Canton
, Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 52
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Love my double sink too! Your couch is very nice!
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07-12-2017, 11:09 AM
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#224
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The Aluminum Tent 3
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Park City
, Utah
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,157
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BASE729
Do the red Anderson levelers fit in the rear bumper storage? These were quite large and in the 27FB I carried the whole kit. I was hoping to keep these out of sole external storage compartment to save space.
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Yes, I keep my Andersons in the rear bumper compartment (have to rotate them around a bit to get them in), as well as sewer hose elbows, awning tool, stabilizer crank, and a few misc pieces of wood.
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07-12-2017, 11:29 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 23' International
Hurst
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,495
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lindaebrewer
< snip > It saves water both in & out. < snip >
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Well, you probably already know this, but here goes anyway...
A nifty trick for those quick wash ups when you have only a few dishes is to have a good quality spray bottle already filled with water and the dishwashing detergent of your choice. A couple of quick squirts, rub, rinse and you're done... no need to draw any water into your sink(s).
If you want 'hot water,' just pop the spray bottle in the microwave for a few seconds. No microwave, just soap 'em up cold... heck, it's just camping!
We bought our bottles from Amazon... really good quality, glass bottles. Get them here: https://www.amazon.com/Empty-Amber-G.../dp/B00MU7R52M
I'm a big believer in 'Dawn'
Rob
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07-12-2017, 03:16 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' International
Canton
, Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 52
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Rob, forgive my ignorance but you keep only water in the bottle? Or do you put a mixture of water and dish detergent in one and plain water in the other? Sorry to be dense but I wasn't sure what I read. I like the idea though.
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07-12-2017, 03:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 23' International
Hurst
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,495
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinmeredith
Rob, forgive my ignorance but you keep only water in the bottle? Or do you put a mixture of water and dish detergent in one and plain water in the other? Sorry to be dense but I wasn't sure what I read. I like the idea though.
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Hi Cindy !
I just have one spray bottle in the Airstream... it's a mixture of Dawn and water. I just rinse using running water in the sink, only takes a tiny amount, and I usually don't even wait for the 'hot' water to get through the pipes from the water heater to the faucet.
Have a great rest-of-the-week
Rob
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07-12-2017, 03:21 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' International
Canton
, Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 52
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Makes sense! Thank you. I'm going to try it.
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07-15-2017, 08:29 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Surfside Beach
, Arkansas
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 84
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If have solar panels, do you need a generator? It seems you would deplete your batteries every night running the AC.
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07-15-2017, 08:46 PM
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Rivet Master
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Walnut Creek
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Bum, it takes a lot of solar and battery bank capacity to run Air Conditioning. Most folks only use AC when connected to shore power or running a suitable generator. Several threads on the subject. Pat
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07-16-2017, 07:59 AM
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#231
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by old 10s bum
If have solar panels, do you need a generator? It seems you would deplete your batteries every night running the AC.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PKI
Bum, it takes a lot of solar and battery bank capacity to run Air Conditioning. Most folks only use AC when connected to shore power or running a suitable generator. Several threads on the subject. Pat
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PKI is right. It is not practical to run air conditioner on solar. If you want air conditioner you HAVE to run the generator. (Folks will now chime in that they run their air conditioner off of their battery bank, but they will have 12 batteries and their entire roof covered in solar panels.)
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2017 F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
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07-16-2017, 08:51 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Parker
, Colorado
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,772
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The 23FB forum
I agree with everyone that running AC off solar is impractical for any length of time. I have 500W on roof, and 320 amp hours of lithium in our 23D. On a very sunny day in Colorado I did a test and was able to run AC for around 6 hours. It depleted my batteries from 100% to 26%.
I think for a short time, with sun, maybe. I have a micro air easy start in my single AC unit that will run off of a 2000W small generator.
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07-16-2017, 11:11 AM
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Rivet Master
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Walnut Creek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Troutboy
-- snip -- I did a test and was able to run AC for around 6 hours. -- snip --.
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There have been times when 6 hours of cool AC would have made a great difference to the quality of life. Pat
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07-16-2017, 11:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,055
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Troutboy
I agree with everyone that running AC off solar is impractical for any length of time. I have 500W on roof, and 320 amp hours of lithium in our 23D. On a very sunny day in Colorado I did a test and was able to run AC for around 6 hours.
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Originally Posted by PKI
There have been times when 6 hours of cool AC would have made a great difference to the quality of life. Pat
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Yes, but 320 amp hours is at least 4 batteries, and 500W of solar is about 5 big solar panels. Neither practical nor inexpensive.
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2017 F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
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07-16-2017, 11:33 AM
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The Aluminum Tent 3
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Park City
, Utah
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,157
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbo
Yes, but 320 amp hours is at least 4 batteries, and 500W of solar is about 5 big solar panels. Neither practical nor inexpensive.
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I think Trout's system was up around 10 grand I think I read in an earlier thread. And that's with him doing the labor. It's an awesome set up for sure.
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07-16-2017, 12:19 PM
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#236
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
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Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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Hmmm, (4) 100 amp hour batteries at $1K each is $4K and (5) 165 watt solar panels is about $2.5K. Guess you would need a controller ~ $1K, maybe. Certainly makes a $1.5K generator and $0.5K for an Easy-start module worth considering. However, we really liked the quiet of sail power over the racket of an inboard. Quiet does have real advantages in promoting relaxation. The cost may be expensive, but a lot less than a new TV or trading up to a Classic 30. We all spend money. What we spend it on is a reflection of where we see value for our lifestyle.
The one thing that does give me pause is the aesthetics and aero of many current solar panels. The skin hugging capability of flexible panels seems a better solution, but neither is currently in our near term plan. We are going to see if that little Honda opens up our affinity for dry camping or if the FHU model remains our primary mode.
Travel safe and keep the battery charged. Pat
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07-17-2017, 08:27 AM
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#237
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,215
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We ordered six 100 watt solar panels (used five on the 23D and the 6th became #9 on the Classic), a 300 amp-hour lithium battery, a Magnum hybrid MSH-3012 inverter/charger, ME-ARC-50 advanced remote control, spare 400 amp fuses, ME-BMK Battery monitor kit, and SB-3025iL MPPT solar charge controller plus all the small parts for a cost of $8,639.93 for all of the components from AM Solar in June of 2015.
Installation cost was part of the total upgrade cost as we replaced most of the other electrical components in the trailer along with the solar installation and put in new flooring since the dinette leg wore a hole through it in 2,000 miles. We also repaired all of the QC issues with proper parts that should have ben used initially.
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2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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07-18-2017, 07:28 AM
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#238
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2 Rivet Member
Surfside Beach
, Arkansas
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 84
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Buying 2017 a Silverado and an 23FB is expensive in of itself but buying all the little things like a $1000 generator, $50 Oxygenic shower head, $40 Anderson leveler and chock, $20 50 amp adapter, $75 30 amp surge protector, $25 water filter, $1000 for new trailer mirrors for the new TV, $30 Corelle dishes, $100 folding rocking chairs, $200 Colman Road Trip grill w/ extra griddle and carry bag, and probably another $500 of various towels, raincoats, water wicking clothes, tool bag, pots, pans, and of course pot petals. Will it ever end?
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07-18-2017, 07:29 AM
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#239
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Rivet Master
2014 23' International
Hurst
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,495
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Quote:
Originally Posted by old 10s bum
< snip > Will it ever end?
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Not likely...
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07-18-2017, 07:45 AM
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#240
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' International
Canton
, Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 52
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It is an expensive lifestyle for sure! We decided that if we were going to do this and spend a lot of time in our little haven, we would outfit it in high quality bedding and towels like we use at home. The Airstream is our oasis while we are still working. It's where we go when we want a little 'me' time away from our large family (who we love dearly but who can be overwhelming). Once we retire, we are headed on the road for extended trips around the US and Canada.
I am still working on some of our Inside amenities as we have only had our Airstream since October 2016. We use it every chance we get, of course.
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