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Old 11-30-2018, 10:33 AM   #21
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This is the beauty of an older, well cared for unit.
Our 91 classic is built like a tank... Zero issues, only technology which I installed or upgraded.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:04 PM   #22
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thats exactly why I love my 2004! Simple, basics all work. feel badly for folks with all the gadgets that don't work. Maybe if I full-timed, I'd feel differently. but this is still luxury from a tent!
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:46 PM   #23
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What would you remove from a Sport or Flying Cloud to get to the level of simplicity you are talking about?
I would like to remove my Dometic CCC2 thermostat system and replace it with manual, mechanical thermostats. Thereís no reason to have a 2 zoned HVAC system in a 30í trailer and/or programable thermostats. Way to complex and the system never works right. I want a system I can fix while on the road.
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Old 11-30-2018, 01:02 PM   #24
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I would like to remove my Dometic CCC2 thermostat system and replace it with manual, mechanical thermostats. Thereís no reason to have a 2 zoned HVAC system in a 30í trailer and/or programable thermostats. Way to complex and the system never works right. I want a system I can fix while on the road.


Bingo! Thatís exactly the kind of thing Iím talking about.

I donít know how many threads Iíve seen about rebooting thermostats. That just seems crazy to me.
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Old 11-30-2018, 01:09 PM   #25
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thats exactly why I love my 2004! Simple, basics all work. feel badly for folks with all the gadgets that don't work. Maybe if I full-timed, I'd feel differently. but this is still luxury from a tent!
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YEP...2003, tech free. 👍

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Old 11-30-2018, 04:38 PM   #26
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Our Caravelle from factory.
No radio or speakers on radio antenna. Did have tv antenna on roof.
No monitering gauges.
Has wiring harness for everything. Installed radio then cut holes in walls to find speaker wires taped to inside of walls. Had to buy service manual and phone call to factory to get exact location of where to find them. Tanks have the moniters and are hooked up and wires come out inside of upper cabinet but no control panel was ever installed.
Found radio antenna dead ended in wall where antenna would have been on outside. Rerouted and spliced into tv antenna works great.
Caravelle's only came with one battery also.
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Old 11-30-2018, 05:15 PM   #27
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I deleted the stereo when I remodeled our Excella, made new panels where speakers holes were. Iphone with a blutooth speaker sounds better and can move it werever you want.
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Old 11-30-2018, 06:07 PM   #28
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Old 11-30-2018, 09:47 PM   #29
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Looks like you already have what you want.

You own an AS built in 1972. Others who wish for such a basic trailer have hundreds of "proven" units for sale in the Classified section.

Why would AS cater to anyone who buys a trailer once every 45 years? And do you really want JC to horn in on that market? Your trailer's value would plummet.

Also, those in the market for a new trailer today, let's call 'em "the youngins" love, Love, LOVE screens and blinking lights.

You want basic manual camping? Get a tent. For real, any owner of an Airstream no less complaining about complexity? How is this old boy scout supposed to take them seriously?
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:26 PM   #30
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You own an AS built in 1972. Others who wish for such a basic trailer have hundreds of "proven" units for sale in the Classified section.



Why would AS cater to anyone who buys a trailer once every 45 years? And do you really want JC to horn in on that market? Your trailer's value would plummet.



Also, those in the market for a new trailer today, let's call 'em "the youngins" love, Love, LOVE screens and blinking lights.



You want basic manual camping? Get a tent. For real, any owner of an Airstream no less complaining about complexity? How is this old boy scout supposed to take them seriously?


Iím not saying Airstream shouldnít continue to make tech heavy gimmicky trailers, Iím saying they should make a rugged simplified trailer line for those who dig the aluminum capsule but are more interested in camping than they are consumed about keeping all of their trailers complex systems like remote controlled blinds working.

As far as my trailers value goes, I donít really care, if it ceases to have value for me Iíll sell it for what it sells for.

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Itís warm, cozy, comfortable, reliable, and a pleasure to stay in. It makes me happy even though itís primitive.
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Honestly, I'd be happy if they just built them better.

Nice to haves would be:
  • true four-season capability
  • eliminate the insane suicide door on all models
  • coosa board sub floor
  • wiring conduit

None of those extras are technically complex, but they would fix some of the most common problems, and result in a better, longer-lasting trailer.
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:47 PM   #32
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Honestly, I'd be happy if they just built them better.



Nice to haves would be:
  • true four-season capability
  • eliminate the insane suicide door on all models
  • coosa board sub floor
  • wiring conduit



None of those extras are technically complex, but they would fix some of the most common problems, and result in a better, longer-lasting trailer.


Maybe if so much construction time didnít need to be spent installing complex systems, maybe more time and effort could be spent on making them more rugged right?
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:49 PM   #33
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Maybe if so much construction time didnít need to be spent installing complex systems, maybe more time and effort could be spent on making them more rugged right?


Conduit is a great idea, my next trailer build will be constructed with 1/2Ē rigid conduit throughout.
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:27 AM   #34
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A lower price with less ďstuffĒ and less complexity could mean more profit per unit.

The simpler ones it seems would move down the line more quickly.
Hi, you are pretty much describing my 2005 Safari 25-B; But people always want to out do the next guy. [LS, CCD, Classic, Etc.] Our trailer is our one and only and works very well for us.
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Old 12-01-2018, 06:25 AM   #35
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Maybe if so much construction time didnít need to be spent installing complex systems, maybe more time and effort could be spent on making them more rugged right?
I don't get the impression they spend more time installing the complex systems
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Old 12-01-2018, 06:37 AM   #36
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A lower price with less ďstuffĒ and less complexity could mean more profit per unit.

The simpler ones it seems would move down the line more quickly.
And way less warranty work.
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Old 12-01-2018, 08:11 AM   #37
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I don't get the impression they spend more time installing the complex systems


Well, they do.

Anything put into an Airstream takes time, and it all adds up.
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Old 12-01-2018, 08:29 AM   #38
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Hey J. Morgan, is that a flat screen tv I see in your trailer? Were tv's standard in 72?
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:42 AM   #39
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Hey J. Morgan, is that a flat screen tv I see in your trailer? Were tv's standard in 72?


I donít know about TVs in Airstreams in 72, but I doubt there was ever a factory installed television in a 72.

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