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Old 08-22-2005, 11:19 PM   #1
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Talking Help with Year and model of Airstream

I recently looked at an old airstream with 15 panels on each end with flat windows. The trailer title has the year listed as 1950 and the length is 28' with two axles. The confusing part is that this trailer does not have a pipe frame? I was under the impression that pipe frams were on all trailers through 1951? Does any one have any photos of the models offered in 1950?

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While this 1950 Cruiser may not be an exact match to the one you are looking at...it does state that the "early ones were pipe-frame, later were conventional chassis" in 1950. Also this 1951 Cruiser shows the 15 panels...

You can see there was a 28' called the Whirlwind in 1950 & 1951...but no pictures are currently in the archive...my guess is that you have a very late 1950 Whirlwind, do you have the serial number?

If you end up getting this trailer, let RJ know...he may want to add your pictures to his website.

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While this 1950 Cruiser may not be an exact match to the one you are looking at...it does state that the "early ones were pipe-frame, later were conventional chassis" in 1950. Also this 1951 Cruiser shows the 15 panels...

You can see there was a 28' called the Whirlwind in 1950 & 1951...but no pictures are currently in the archive...my guess is that you have a very late 1950 Whirlwind, do you have the serial number?

If you end up getting this trailer, let RJ know...he may want to add your pictures to his website.

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The Serial Number is 5020.
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A 1953 29-ft. Airstream Liner

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Serial number 5020 sounds like a 1953 29' Liner with tandem axles. Overall length is 29', body length is 26', and weight is 3980 pounds (those are rounded, not actual, numbers). If the front window set has two vertically hinged outside windows and a fixed center pane, then its a 1953 Airstream notwithstanding the year on the state title or registration.

My data shows the 1953 29' Liners began at s/n 9000. But during the year they must have changed to begin anew at 5001, as the 1954 30' Liners begin at s/n 5100 and your 5020 is in between, proof tandem axle trailers exist with 50XX serial numbers.

Is the back end on the trailer you are looking at sloped out a foot at the bottom or purely vertical? If sloped, its a 30' Liner; if straight vertical, its a 29' Liner.
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Serial number 5020 sounds like a 1953 29' Liner with tandem axles. Overall length is 29', body length is 26', and weight is 3980 pounds (those are rounded, not actual, numbers). If the front window set has two vertically hinged outside windows and a fixed center pane, then its a 1953 Airstream notwithstanding the year on the state title or registration.

My data shows the 1953 29' Liners began at s/n 9000. But during the year they must have changed to begin anew at 5001, as the 1954 30' Liners begin at s/n 5100 and your 5020 is in between, proof tandem axle trailers exist with 50XX serial numbers.

Is the back end on the trailer you are looking at sloped out a foot at the bottom or purely vertical? If sloped, its a 30' Liner; if straight vertical, its a 29' Liner.
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Can you post a picture. The serial number of my Double Door Liner is O 5006 and I thought that it was a 1954 made in Ohio.

Fred,

I have the two small vertical windows and a large center fixed window, do I have a 1953. RJ's site has pictures of the 1954's only and not 53'. It also states that the 53's were 32' long. My Liner has an internal dimension of 25' 11" with a 22" tongue. Pictures of mine are available on RJ's site, my 1954 Liner thread and Tom Patterson's site.

The empty weight of mine is 3020.

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Lookinghard, can you post a picture. The serial number of my Double Door Liner is O 5006 and I thought that it was a 1954 made in Ohio.

Fred, I have the two small vertical windows and a large center fixed window, do I have a 1953? RJ's site has pictures of the 1954's only and not 53'. It also states that the 53's were 32' long. My Liner has an internal dimension of 25' 11" with a 22" tongue. Pictures of mine are available on RJ's site, my 1954 Liner thread and Tom Patterson's site. The empty weight of mine is 3020. Bill
Hi Bill:

I had assumed, without knowing, that Lookinghard posted the complete trailer serial number and that it did not have an "O" prefix. If it does have an "O" prefix, then the trailer he is looking at would have been built in Ohio instead of California, as I had assumed, and my answer would change quite a bit. Your post raises another possibility, but I'll wait for Lookinghard to indicate whether or not serial number "5020" has an "O" prefix before changing my initial answer to his inquiry.

Lookinghard, is there an "O" prefix to "5020"? Please advise, & thanks.

Bill, your double door Liner "O 5006" ["O" for Ohio] was the sixth 30' Liner built in Jackson Center, Ohio for the 1954 model year. The three light [window pane] Hehr front window set, with two vertically hinged side windows and a fixed pane center window, was used for a few years around the mid-1950s, so they are not specific to 1953 alone. However, they were not used in 1950/51 so they can distinguish a 1953/54 trailer from a 1950/51 trailer, which is why I asked Lookinghard about them.
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There is no "O" in the serial number. What cought my eye was the plate had the main street address in LA. Most other airstreams I have looked at do not have the main street address? The back does not slope, it is vertical. And the front window does have a fixed pane in the middle with two verticaly hinged side windows?

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There is no "O" in the serial number. What cought my eye was the plate had the main street address in LA. Most other airstreams I have looked at do not have the main street address? The back does not slope, it is vertical. And the front window does have a fixed pane in the middle with two verticaly hinged side windows? Looking Hard
Thanks, Lookinghard. The absence of the "O" in the Liner serial number indicates "5020" is a California built trailer, so I'll stick with my original reply. The "O" was added to early Ohio built trailers only because they, too, at first used serial number plates having the 1755 No. Main Street, Los Angeles, California factory address. Many Airstream serial number plates from late 1949 to around 1960 used the 1955 N. Main St. address. But a second California factory opened in 1950 at 12804 E. Firestone Blvd. in Norwalk, Calif., so a second serial number plate with that address was used fom 1950 to 1958, when the city name for the same street address was changed to Santa Fe Springs, Calif.

The sloped back was a new feature introduced for the 1954 model year, so the 13 panel vertical rear Liner you are looking at is most likely a 1953 model.
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15 Panels

Sounds Good. By the way, the rear is not 13 panels, it's 15 with no slope. Does that change anything? Thanks for all the info!
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Sounds Good. By the way, the rear is not 13 panels, it's 15 with no slope. Does that change anything? Thanks for all the info!
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Pictures would really help.

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Sounds Good. By the way, the rear is not 13 panels, it's 15 with no slope. Does that change anything? Thanks for all the info!
The 13 panels are the segments that make up the curved part. The panels on either side are not counted.
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How do I upload a photo from my harddisk?

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At the bottom of the reply to thread there is a section called Additional Options. There you will find Manage Attachements. Click on that and a new box will open for you to find the pictures on your hard drive. The pictures must be less than 100K. Locate the file, click upload, then close. Submit Reply and you are done.

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This is all I have. I counted the panels on the front and back and there was 15.
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This is all I have. I counted the panels on the front and back and there was 15.
Fred,

This looks like my Liner, what do you think. Except that I have two doors.

Kevin,

15 not counting the two large panels on the bottom?

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I counted every panel including the large ones on the side. I thought that's how you counted? But then again, I am no expert! You know, this one does look like the one you have. I bet it's a 1954 like yours? I have a 28' 1962 ambasador (Non leaf spring), how do you think the 1954 would tow (leaf spring axel) compared to the 1962?
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Nope, you just count the segments that make up the curved portion above the 'waistline' of the trailer. Good looking trailer though...would love to see more!

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I counted every panel including the large ones on the side. I thought that's how you counted? But then again, I am no expert! You know, this one does look like the one you have. I bet it's a 1954 like yours? I have a 28' 1962 ambasador (Non leaf spring), how do you think the 1954 would tow (leaf spring axel) compared to the 1962?
Kevin,

I towed the Liner from Tampa to So Cal in July. No problems, but it did move around a little with semis passing. Hopefully that is because it was basically gutted and I was towing a 30' eggshell. I did replace the axles, but not the springs before towing. Spring replacement is next. No shocks on the Liner.

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I towed the Liner from Tampa to So Cal in July. No problems, but it did move around a little with semis passing. Hopefully that is because it was basically gutted and I was towing a 30' eggshell. I did replace the axles, but not the springs before towing. Spring replacement is next. No shocks on the Liner.

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By the way, I think I see an "0" on the identification plate. Also the trailer is 28' long.

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