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Old 02-23-2004, 07:53 PM   #281
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Hmmm .. the link is working for me ...

Tinsel ...

Lancaster is out in the High Desert ... near Edwards AFB ... use to be a small town ... but really boomed in the 80s and 90s.

The Escapade will be held at the new Fairgrounds ... lots of seminars and vendors ... should be a lot of fun.

They have 3 camping options ... pure boondocking ... boondocking with generators ... and boondocking with limited electric. We chose the electric option.

Come join us!
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Old 02-23-2004, 11:44 PM   #282
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Porky,

It sounds really tempting. I will have to get the map out as I too have not heard of Lancaster, Ca. (I at first thought you were talking PA, duh) But desert in spring is the best.
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Old 03-10-2004, 10:31 PM   #283
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Talking The end of the model year.....

Well folks, it looks as if the 2004 production year is starting to come to a close. Within about 60 days (give or take a few weeks) 2005s should start to show themselves rolling out the factory doors.

To me, it's been very clear that 2004 was a good year for overall quality compared to 2003...to me particularly a very noted improvement.

For all that have participated in helping all of us out this model year....thanks....to those that still may take delivery of a 2004, please post your observations as you all will be near the start of what's to come for 2005.
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Old 03-11-2004, 06:39 AM   #284
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Heat Pump/AC/Furnace Thermostat down...

All,

Went camping a couple of weeks ago, and all major systems worked -- was about 60 degrees a couple of weekends ago...

Thermostat was fine...

Went out Tues. to AS to turn furnace on, as I was going to put new matress pad bot from camping world. Clicked switch to ON on thermostat, and nothing came up -- no display on the lcd.

Did a fair amount of troubleshooting, to no avail. Appeared that thermostat was not getting any power, based on DMM probes.

Contacted the mothership (Jackson Center) and tech told me that there is a power converter in the AC unit up on the roof. He advised me to take the shroud off the AC, take the cover off the power converter, and examine a fuse in there.

As I am a big, clumsy guy, I asked if 240 pounds was too much for roof -- tech assured me that I would be fine if I stay on the ribs...

I will do this on Saturday...my plan is to back the AS up closer to my roof, and crawl onto the house roof and then onto AS that way, so not have to worry about ladder leaning up against pristine Aluminum...just have to worry about my fat *ss going through roof skin...

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Will let all know how it goes...
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Old 03-11-2004, 08:08 AM   #285
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I've heard that as long as you stay on the rivetline you'll be OK. Never done it, so don't hold me to it.

One thing I do recall clearly is the fact that you don't want to place any weight on the end caps- NONE as the do dent fairly easy.
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Old 03-11-2004, 08:13 AM   #286
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Hey Rob, before you go and try this, I just looked at a map of where you are compared to the factory.

You are literally a stones throw away (compared to most of us) . Why not let them do it. They have all the gear, the roof access rafters, plus if it it is a fuse, do you already have the part? Also if you did have the fuse, I'd also like to know why it blew...could be a larger problem and you have a warranty.

Have you checked the circuit breakers on the power converter on the floor yet?

Heck, if I were that close, I'd prob get a part time job at the factory.
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ahh...the logistics...

I know I am close to the mothership -- but it is an hour each direction, with an hour getting it dropped off and hitching and unhitching -- there are other cosmetic issues that need dealt with, but we wanted to wait until we had a couple more trips on it before we take it in for the warranty work, and then another three hours picking it back up, after the repair...

They indicated they were more than happy to fix it real quick...but I think I can get it fixed in less than 45 minutes or so, and I made it clear I was unafraid of performing the operation or crawling up there to do it...used to fix airplanes, and have a couple EE degrees...so they told me where to look for the fuse...if it is still INOP after the fuse fix, then I will take it to JC because the converter might be horked -- if I get power on that circuit, then I will have them send me a new climate control via mail...because at that point, it is the climate control (thermostat) or the wire...

Besides, if this happens again, then I will be prepared to get it going again while on a extended trip without it costing me a day at a service facility...I like to be capable of DIY for systems-level stuff...because the AC will not work with the thermostat FOOBAR.
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Old 03-11-2004, 09:00 AM   #288
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Rob,

Before you get on your house roof to get on your AS roof extend the awning out and put an air matress out. Also, have your wife ready with a video camera so that when you roll off your house roof, across the trailer you'll be gently caressed by the awning and plopped right down on the mattress. I'm about the same weight as you and I'd be nervous climbing up there. Good luck with the the fix, at least it's not a frying pan on the roof yet like it will be this summer.
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Talking Thanks for the great information

Hi all. I'm new to the forum (first post), and I thought I'd start off here! I've been reading for months (just joined today), and the 04' quality list has been extremely informative and a great assistance!

My wife and I have been looking into purchasing an Airstream (25 Safari SS) since last fall. We're almost ready to jump off and get one. Fortunately, we have two dealers a few hours apart, and they each have what we like.

I wanted to thank everyone on this particular thread for all of the information you've provided on what has been good, and what has been a problem. You've given me a lot to work with while looking over the Airstreams, and I'm very grateful for all of your help.

Even with reports of problems it seems very clear to me that picking an Airstream for what we'd like to do is the best way to go. Thanks so much for the time you took to share with those of us on "the edge" of the Airstream community!
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...on the edge...

Backed Gooneybird real close to the roof of my garage. Got on roof and saw it was a very easy transition to the white part of the roof, and a place where a circumferential and lateral rivet line crossed. Took a 3 foot step right onto Gooneybird without any problems...and I do not really like heights...Height change was about 4 inches...was not scary at all...if it was, I would not have done it.

(Disconnected 120 volt power and changed battery switch to 'store')

Took the Air Conditioner cover off (4 self-tapping #10 screws, #2 phillips screwdriver)) and found the power converter cover (curbside, front). It was taped down with some foam tape about an inch high. Unscrewed two (5/16 wrench) self tapping screws, and carefully slit foam stuff to lift the cover. Found a 3-amp automotive fuse at bottom front of circuit board. Pulled it and found it was blown. (had the cover upside down, with 15 pound tool bag on it to keep it from blowing away)

Did not have 3-amp fuse, so went to auto parts store for one. Came back and put good 3-amp fuse in it.

Crawled back down and powered up 120 volts and 12 volt batteries.

Thermostat still did not power up. Disconnected 120 volts and put batteries back to 'Store')

Went back on roof, and smelled something...

Got to it and noted the odor of a bad capacitor...those who have smelled them before know what they smell like...

Fuse was blown again, and there was an odor around the power center of the unit -- could have been a blown IC, but it sure smelled more like a capacitor...could be both. Pulled bad 3-amp fuse and left the fuse out of the circuit...

When we went camping for the first time in it, it was over 60 degrees that Sunday -- on Saturday, I heated with the furnace to test it. On Sunday, I switched it to the heat pump.

It kept the place warm in the morning, and ran fine...

As the day warmed up, I kept thinking, that the heat pump should still be going...but it seemed warm inside and I did not think nothing else of it. During the day, I remember shutting the thermostat OFF, but I do not recall actually looking at it --

At any rate, that is when I think it failed, and I did not notice it until I tried to use the furnace about a week later...

So, I did not avoid the trip back to Jackson Center...

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Hey, you gave it beyond a shot. I know what those things smell like too, it's hard to mistake it.

Say hi to the gang at JC when you go. Sorry to hear that it was not an easy fix.

I'll PM you a few offline things too.....

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Old 03-15-2004, 07:54 PM   #293
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Well,

I just brought my baby home from the coast after three and a half weeks (I commuted). How's that for a shakedown trip? I kept thinking I would find something wrong with the quality. I mean there is no way there can be NOTHING wrong, in the entire trailer. Dam if I could find it and look I did. Everything works, fits, and looks great. I mean EVERYTHING. The only thing wrong with the design is that the A-frame storage box door hits the generator plug-in. So I have to tell all those ordering units right now, it's a great time at the factory. They are "on the money" and "in a groove." It's been one of those rare fantastic life experiences for me!

I love my trailer so much that I am despretly trying to figure out how to get rid of my apartment, put everything in storage and live in it full time. It would be such a joy to come home every night to my A/S. Ahhh, what joy.
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Old 04-02-2004, 07:05 PM   #294
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Small glitch....

Picked up the Bambi on Wednesday. Out there tonight measuring things...

While measuring the top of the stove, I noticed the unit was not flush with the cabinetry. It was slipping out. Got the installation manual and noted that NONE of the 6 screws used to set the unit where installed. Sent an e-mail to AS asking for them. The four used to set the top are visiable, so I assume they baked on enamel on them. Don't want to try to find them at the hardware.

Tomorrow morning will go over everything as carefully as possible. Oh, and need to clean it.....

Sent AS an e-mail today because the unit was delivered without a sink cover and the dealer was trying to imply that is was not suppose to come with one. Small thing, but in a small galley, that cover is a lot of the prep space! AS responded so quickly! They called me at work instead of by e-mail. It was GREAT! They confirmed the sink cover should have been with my unit. It is on its way to me now...
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Old 04-02-2004, 09:25 PM   #295
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That was pretty much what happend to us. It was the "Airstream" mat and the fire extinguisher. The dealer told me it didn't come with either...I particularly found that not having a fire supression device seemed a bit odd.

Sure enough, a call to Airstream and we had the stuff out to use as if it were yesterday. I can't believe some dealers.

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Old 04-03-2004, 05:40 AM   #296
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Dealers...

You are not kidding, Eric. When I told my dealer I was going to call AS to confirm the sink cover, after he tried to convenice me it was not included, he said oh, no, I'll do that and call you back. Meanwhile I sent the e-mail to AS. He called me back within minutes telling I was right and that it is being sent to me. He knew all along........Hum.....do I want these people working on my trailer. The "saleman" that delivered it to me wanted to talk more about himself than my trailer. Asked him where the hot water heater bypass is and he looked at me like I was from Mars. He told me it did not have one! Looked through the manual last night and found it. I knew it was there somewhere...
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The dealer here in Illinois, not only told me what I said above, but told me the fresh water tank was located under the rear bed (on the 19' Bambi), that the fan on the fridge that was broken would still work if he snapped the blades back on.....when we made the decision to upgrade, we included him in the 3 dealers we were shopping. He got really pissy about being shopped and was kind of rude. Also, when we were there, the service staff that installed the hitch system were very nice, but I kept hearing them complain under their breath that they had to stay beyond 5pm (till about 5:45pm) to finish the job...made us a bit uncomfortable--esp since we just plunked down $25k. Later a forum member here went down to visit his dealership. Well, he had a CCD there and this person was smart enough to write down the serial number. A few months later, this same person went to the RV show in Chicago...this dealer was there. So the person asked the dealer, is this the same unit I saw a while ago (it had some repair fixes--not good mind you, that he noticed was wrong with the unit back when he saw it). The dealer exclaimed, and I think this is an accurate quote..."No! We've sold lots of these since you were down to see me!" So the guy writes down the serial number of the unit at the show.....you can prob guess that the serial numbers matched!! It was the same unit!! The dealer was again caught in a lie! So my thing is that anyone in the tri state area or beyond that wants to deal with the dealer here in Illinois.....do so at your own risk, they are used car salespeople, very nice people, but total used car mentality. To be frank, they also didn't know squat about the product...now I know that back in January of '03 they were a new dealer for Airstream, so that might be part of the issue, but the second exp a year later from another forum member still had me shaking my head. Sounds like you might have something similar where you are Paul.

Our new Safari we bought from the dealer in Ohio- Paul Sherry. Price was the lowest of all three and they delivered the coach to us (due to some snafu that was resolved). Overall it was a good exp. Some after the sale questions got kind of blown off, but in the end the factory took care of it as they always do. Nothing but good exp when dealing with the factory. There is a dealer in Iowa who I worked with that I liked as they acted professional throughout the whole process, even after they didn't get the business..it was Ace Fogdall. I had some interaction with George Sutton RV...very stand up type of guy, and a good website....I have also had an email conversation and heard things from forum members about Colonial Airstream....also seem very good and a great website as well.
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...update on goonybird...

Our punch list contained 15 items, and I told them they could take their time as we could not use the AS for a couple of weeks -- they really started digging through the list this week...

The Heat pump was described as a short circuit -- they have fixed it -- I bet a capacitor had shorted out -- a common failure mode. I will get more detail later -- pack a 3-amp fuse with you -- it can take out your ability to even run the propane furnace...

They are down to two things -- the galley backsplash had a tool mark when a drill hit it at the factory, and the striped pattern on the cushions on the dinette was cattywhompis.

Turns out they are having trouble matching the fabric between lots, so I am assuming the delay might be re-upolstering the dinette. The backsplash is going to be a remove and replace, and they said that was going to take a while, too -- three or four more sorking days...

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The rest of the list was comparitively minor.
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Glad to hear it's going well. Keep us updated.
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My new 30' Classic is supposed to be coming off the production line the week after next I believe, getting down to the end of the line as far as the 2004 Models. I'm getting it from Turner's Airstream in Jenette, PA the end of this month. I hope mine is a nice as what some of you experienced on your new Classics.

One thing that does concern me though, that I haven't heard much mention about, is the 45 degree angle cuts on the cabinet corners. In most of the Airstreams I looked at in shows earlier this year, it looked to me like whoever cuts and puts their cabinets together must have been cutting the 45 degrees corner pieces by freehand, since many of the cabinets had rather noticeable gaps where the corners come together --kind of like how some of our local Amish and Mennonites build houses around this part of the country -- without miters and squares and levels sometimes.

In any case, I'll be sure to post my Quality experiences here for you'll (I used to live in the South!).

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