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Old 11-21-2005, 11:50 PM   #401
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Uwe, Man does this look great. I have a few questions that go back a ways, so answer if you have time. Sorry, but somehow I missed your thread altogether and only recently finished reading it. I am in the middle of a restoration on a ’73 Overlander. I’ve got the trailer apart and am ¾ done with the frame. BTW, I agree completely with your sentiments exactly on frame repair. I’m REALLY ready to get past this stage.

I hear you. It's a milestone event once the welding and POR mess is over with. Although, I sort of had fun with all the sparks and fire stuff...

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So here is the barrage of questions.

What did you use to seal the aluminum sheet b/w the floor and door step? Sikaflex? Vulkem? What flavor of Vulkem are you using in areas that require Vulkem?

Vulkem, the grey cartridge tubes from Vintage Trailer Supply. It is non grainy, and can be put in a syringe for small work, like around olympic rivets.
I used to buy Sikaflex, but found that it sets up too fast, which makes it hard to work on larger projects, like sheet replacement.


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The welded areas aft of the wheel wells. My trailer doesn’t have “rear sag” yet, but will someday, so I’m thinking of welding the “elephant ears” that folks talk about. (I haven’t actually read up on this subject yet) Do you think the added piece on the “I-beam” or “C-beam” that you put in there would be sufficient? It appears that the ‘70’s models simply placed too much weight behind the wheels, the weakest part of the frame.

I think that you need to simply take a look at the rear frame section, and repair all rusted areas. If you are going to add tanks, then I strongly suggest to add square tubing to the rear frame section to reinforce the existing crossmembers. Then, secure the C-Channel very well to the rear floor, use many bolts and large, strong washers so that the shell eventually will sit very securely on the c-channel, which sits very securely on the rear floor, which is very securely mounted to the frame.
this should prevent frame separation from teh floor and c-channel for a good long time.


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What was your source for the aluminum insulation? Is it “taped in” using some brand of two sided tape?

It is Reflectix, from Home Depot. It is mounted on strips of 3/8 closed cell strips, which are applied to the skin with construction adhesive. You need an air space between the foil and the skin, on both sides.
The gaps are taped with aluminum tape.

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I really want to do something similar with wood for the partitions and cabinetry. I simply can’t stand all that dark, brittle plastic. You are using ¼ inch maple, finished on one side or two? I only have big box stores near me and all they seem to have is A/C grade ¼’

go to a hardwood supplier in your area. Look around a bit, there will be one close by. They have wonderful wood varieties. $$$spensive, but well worth it. My maple is officially finished on one side, but the other side is nice enough to show as well, especially after sanding and oiling.

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Appreciate any advice. Happy Turkey Day.

Same to you, and good luck!
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:32 AM   #402
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This carpentry racket is tedious! Very slow going. It seems like I work for hours and very little visible stuff gets done. Spent a few hours Friday working on the vanity. It's getting a bottle rack for shampoo, lotions, sunscreen etc, right behind a set of double doors, with a shelf above for small baskets of toiletries. this can be slipped out and put on the counter when we need them, then neatly put away again. The old, original counter is visible in the pictures, but we're not sure if it is going to be refinished, or if I make anew counter. If we do refinish it, then it will be the same color as the bath tub. The space below the shelf, and ahead of the bottle rack, is accessible from behind the trailer. It will hold camping necessities, such as water hoses, wheel chocks, odds and ends as such.
Next to the double doors will be a clothes hamper, with a removeable door and a canvas bag inside. I think that was what was there originally. None of the wood inside the little bath has any finish on it yet. I purchased some special polyurethane oil for this purpose, to make it more water resistant.
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:42 AM   #403
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Saturday,11/26/05

The interior shelving framework for the dresser/curbside kitchen cabinet is finished. Unfortunately, I ran out of 1/4 in plywood for the shelves. But the framing is done, and all that's left there is to cut the rest of the shelves and secure them with stainless screws.
The lower support also secures the face frames to the wall down low, the upper supports only float the plywood shelf.
I used 1x2's, and routed a relief in one corner so the front of the shelf would look clean and flush when the cabinet door is opened. On the bottom, there is a removeable panel to access the batteries below. Didi and I will soon be shopping for canvas lined baskets for the dresser section of the installation.
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You're work is outstanding! Well thought out too. I hope the fellas at the factory are following this thread. Looks like you're getting into the home stretch. A question - it looks like there's a hole in your bathroom floor under the vanity cabinet. This must have been where the commode used to sit? Looks also like it might be a tight fit for your plumbing under the bathroom sink. Going to run it down behind where the hamper space is?

Keep at it. Its coming out fantastic. Going to have it done for our TCT Rally in the end of February? Hope so, I'd like to see it in person.

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Looks great. Time consuming it is, I agree!

The curly maple (is that what it is?) looks good in the bath. Is the poly/oil a wipe on sort of stuff? I am using something similar called armrseal or something like that...

What is the little trim strip that seals the countertop to the wall in the bath?

What will you use to keep the cabinet doors shut? The original hardware or something new?


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Uwe,

You are doing what I hope to do with my remodel build better and more imaginatively even than the Airstream original.

The Amish brothers building my cabinets are to use light 1 x 2 and 1/4 panel construction as well. Now I have some photos to show them. Thanks for the posting.

Henry and Peter come to see the trailer with their horse and buggy but they enjoy seeing photos on my iBook too.

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Old 11-27-2005, 12:07 PM   #407
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You're work is outstanding! Well thought out too. I hope the fellas at the factory are following this thread. Looks like you're getting into the home stretch. A question - it looks like there's a hole in your bathroom floor under the vanity cabinet. This must have been where the commode used to sit? Looks also like it might be a tight fit for your plumbing under the bathroom sink. Going to run it down behind where the hamper space is?

Keep at it. Its coming out fantastic. Going to have it done for our TCT Rally in the end of February? Hope so, I'd like to see it in person.

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that's actually not a hole under there. The toilet flange got kicked under there by accident. I am building a maple cover for the black tank, and had to take it off for dry fitting the ply panels.
I've got the grey drain right under the shelf in the vanity already. the grey drain is going off to the left, while the water supply is coming on from the right, following the wall behind the hamper.
I am using pex and flair-it fittings. I've got a bunch of fittings to make this nice and tight, or so I hope....
TCT Rally?
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fantastic (as usual!) work! A couple of ideas... I was just reading a Finehomebuilding issue that spoke to creating space under the cabinet for shelves (or drawers) like what you've done. Instead of the elbow being right under the sink, place an elbow pointing towards the rear of the trailer, and have another elbow facing down, then put your p-trap here. The drawing shows some extra piping, but just put the elbow directly under the sink, and I think you've got it made.

My drawings not the best, but I think it might show what I'm talking about?

Regarding the canvas covered baskets - Ikea has had something like this. I'm not sure of the sizing, but I know they had some larger ones as well.

How are you opening the doors - european style hinges or...? Will the one for the hamper open from the bottom to get the clothes in?

Great work!
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Looks great. Time consuming it is, I agree!

The curly maple (is that what it is?) looks good in the bath. Is the poly/oil a wipe on sort of stuff? I am using something similar called armrseal or something like that...
It is brush on, spray on, or wipe on liquid.

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What is the little trim strip that seals the countertop to the wall in the bath?
It's something I still got to find a bunch of, new. It's a double lip seal with a mounting tang that staples to the back of the plywood.

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What will you use to keep the cabinet doors shut? The original hardware or something new?


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I found some cool cabinet latches at leevalley.com. I will try and find the part number for you later.
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If I take long enough to post a question, it looks like it gets answered before I post!

I think you have the drain under control. What kind of mixer are you using for the shower, will it go on the wall to the front of the shower?
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fantastic (as usual!) work! A couple of ideas... I was just reading a Finehomebuilding issue that spoke to creating space under the cabinet for shelves (or drawers) like what you've done. Instead of the elbow being right under the sink, place an elbow pointing towards the rear of the trailer, and have another elbow facing down, then put your p-trap here. The drawing shows some extra piping, but just put the elbow directly under the sink, and I think you've got it made.

My drawings not the best, but I think it might show what I'm talking about?

Regarding the canvas covered baskets - Ikea has had something like this. I'm not sure of the sizing, but I know they had some larger ones as well.

How are you opening the doors - european style hinges or...? Will the one for the hamper open from the bottom to get the clothes in?

Great work!
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Thanks for the drawing. Great Idea. I used this in the galley already, but somehow it never dawned on me to do the same under the vanity. Good thing you guys are watching out for me!

We'll be frequenting Ikea, Cost PLus etc. to hunt down these baskets. There's a place that sells nothing but storage items, callerd The Container Store, near here. We will be looking there as well.
I am not using European hinges, I think that they are too high tech for the look I want. I am going with the chromed inset hinges.
The hamper door will hinge at teh bottom, but with 2 pins so it can be lifted off to remove the hamper. The toilet is close to it, so I think removing the door to remove the hamper is easiest.
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If I take long enough to post a question, it looks like it gets answered before I post!

I think you have the drain under control. What kind of mixer are you using for the shower, will it go on the wall to the front of the shower?
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I plan on using the original mixer. It mounts to the side of the cabinet, and the shower screws to the top of the mixer, and then goes up through a hole in the countertop. The pipe then makes a sharp bend towards the tub. It has a chromed mounting tab that rivets to the end cap. I hope that I can rebuild the original mixer, it's a nice and heavy piece.
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In this picture you can see the old shower arrangement. I want to restore and re-use it. I think it's a cool setup.
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Looks great - looking at your last pictures it always amazes me what you can do to these (initially hopeless looking) trailers..... It is soooo cool to see your trailers coming together.....

Ummm how many weeks left to compleation?

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Uwe -
Your shower mixer looks like mine but since I didn't put in the bathroom cabinet, I mounted it to the inside of the tub. I had to build a spacer piece out of mahageny to account for the slope in the tub wall. Worked out great and all of the fresh water lines are in the tub enclosure. Only draw back is I can't fill up the tub, who'd wanna do that anyway? Too much weight. Just a thought.

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Looks great - looking at your last pictures it always amazes me what you can do to these (initially hopeless looking) trailers..... It is soooo cool to see your trailers coming together.....

Ummm how many weeks left to completion?

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I would love to see all the basics ( wood work, water, and gas) finished by the end of the year. Might be unrealistic, with holidays and parties and family stuff taking a lot of my time, but I will try. Business usually slows down a little over the holidays, so I plan on getting a lot of it out of the way during workin hours.
I don't mind the dacorative stuff being pushed back a little, as the trailer can be used without all that.
January is my busy month with a tradeshow right in the second week, then February I can finish the upholstery and polishing/sealing.
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Your shower mixer looks like mine but since I didn't put in the bathroom cabinet, I mounted it to the inside of the tub. I had to build a spacer piece out of mahageny to account for the slope in the tub wall. Worked out great and all of the fresh water lines are in the tub enclosure. Only draw back is I can't fill up the tub, who'd wanna do that anyway? Too much weight. Just a thought.

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Thanks, Brad. I duplicated the bath layout for the most part, so I should be able to mount the mixer in teh same spot as where it was before.
Hehee, I reinforced my frame so I can take a bath back there without messing up the alignment or have rivets pop....
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Bath Counter Poll!

I was wondering what everybody thought of the bath counter top.
My original plan was to toss this one and make a new one, out of figured maple or birch plywood. Use aluminum edge banding, and install an oval or round stainless sink. Use clear epoxy ( like a bar top) on the wood to seal out
moisture.
Now that I look at it, I can imagine getting the original top refinished in white to match the bathtub and the toilet, and using it instead. It would require some minor structural repair, as the substrate under the fiberglass has some rot in 2 spots and is delaminated.

The first option would bring more of a warm wood tone into the bath, the second would tie the white fixtures together quite nicely, I think.

So, what would you do? Pro's/Cons?
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To me it just depends on the look you want - - - - if you want more of a high tech look, I would go with option #1, if you want it to look more original, I would redo the old top. For me, I'm trying to stay close to what was there before, so I would be inclined to use the old one if I could get it to look good.

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Pros/Cons? Hard to say, Uwe.

Maybe the old fiberglass will continue to delaminate even if you fix it.

Maybe the wood is not such a good idea so close to water.

Both design ideas are nice.

If you spray the counter in two-step epoxy you will tie the appliances together. They will also compliment the natural woodiness of the space.

If you build your own counter you will be able to say it is your own handiwork.

Hard to say. Not an easy choice.

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