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Old 12-03-2006, 09:26 AM   #21
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Just a thought on the furnace. Are you plugged into shore power? If your battery is too low only the fan will blow and the heat won't kick on. Or maybe you have a stuck sail switch.

You can add the antifreeze directly to the inlet of the pump without installing the t since you have it disconnected already.

Did you close the valves to bypass your water heater (or is the antifreeze filling that 6 gallon reservoir too)? First water from the inlet will fill the tank there. After you turn those appropriately you have to open and drain that too. Airstream does have that bypass installed.

Our potable water inlet was loose too. We had to be certain water went directly down the tube and not around it until we fixed it.
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OK, no room to install the bypass T fitting. Unless I unscrew the pump from floor. Not sure if I want to do that I disconnected the inlet line and the filter inline. But the pump is too close to the bulkhead to allow the fitting.

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I'm with Carol on this one. Each model is different, but what I did was disconnect the feed, connect a male adapter with a threaded connector to connect to the spot the feed connected. From there, I connect a hose to the male adapter and feed RV antifreeze directly to the system via the pump. I can be done with as little as 2 gallons. I buy 3 just in case.

This last time I did it gave me an idea I am going to do for the next time, but I'll post that later after I get all the bugs worked out.
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The furnace came on again on its own. And no CO alarm. You can't count of it to come on when you need it though. Nice to feel the warmth again. I am plugged into shore line. When I was camping in October, the furnace worked sometimes. Before I went to bed it was on but upon waking up, she was cold inside. Back to the antifreeze, I will try again to hook up directly with the inlet fitting attached to the tubing without the fitting. I thought I tried and it did not fit. Will disconnect again.

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Old 12-03-2006, 11:11 AM   #24
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Alarming truth is that when you get a new trailer you have to let the oven and the furnace run and burn off all (manufacturing oils?) until it's run it's course and the alarms stop going off. I got my Airstream at a rally in Salem Oregon in the midst of a heatwave. However about 3 in the morning it got cool enough for the furnace to kick on. All the windows being closed and the furnace not being "broke in" the detector went off. Dazed from my sound sleep, I turned off the heat and stumbled onto the lounge to reach the detector and disengage the battery (there is a button to suspend the sound temporarily.)
First opportunity I had, I opened all the windows and doors, removed the batteries and let the open oven and furnace run full blast until the air was finally clear. It seems that is a necessary step with new units, perhaps some dealers do that in their prep. Do try doing that before you go camping next. New trailers need a lot of airing out. Some people are more adversely affected by that then others. Try keeping a vent open or window cracked to let fresh air in, especially at night with the heat on.
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The pump worked with success going direct, thanks. Wally smiled down on me and the furnace kept up the whole time. I guess some good came out of it by discovering the fill hose not connected. Never would have thought to check that. Like filling your truck with fuel you expect it is going in the tank not between the seats. I know Airstream did not make the furnace. They are the same in other brands. Except other brands cost a fraction of an Airstream so you kind of expect QC to be up some. Now waiting for the cold weather to come as I am winterized to the hilt.

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Old 12-03-2006, 01:24 PM   #26
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Glad you are all winterized. I hear you about the cost of an AS and wanting things tested out! A lot of people try to spend the first night or two at the dealers to get them back in to fix things, many make that pilgrimage back to the factory. Lots of time, money, inconvenience and frustration involved in the buyer steps. Hope you are enjoying your new Airstream, I think after the "interaction" we all feel an even stronger bond with our silver palaces. And the vintage group thinks we don't work on our units.
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:15 PM   #27
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WE have a 2007 25' Safari with upgrades. We drove half way across the US without a problem. The biggest fault we found was thw lack of storage and the only storage compartment goes under the bed. On cold days the cold air also goes under the bed. Simply not thoughtful design. Also the metal edges on the rear fender storage box are very pointed and sharp.I really wonder if anyone at the factory ever uses one of their products. They would also be better off using larger and better quality locks on all of the hatches.The 2007 is adequate but in terms of quality I do not think that this trailer is anything that I can call top quality.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:12 PM   #28
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Well, the 2007 SE FB may not be perfect, but we haven't found much to complain about after owning one--for just a couple of days! We really have been all over it, and have adjusted and nudged a few things here and there, to our satisfaction. We haven't done any significant trips that would show up all those insidious issues, but we're pleasantly surprised at the lack of glitches that have shown up so far. We have the twin configuration, so don't notice the storage/cold air problems. And the edges of the rear storage box don't seem to be unusually sharp on our model.
Our smoke detector did go off when we first used our heater, but with a little ventilation the newness burned off, it stopped, and all has been just fine ever since.
The locks don't seem to be difficult to use, and the size seems suitable for the placements...maybe we're missing something here, but in our case, it seems like ignorance is bliss. We are truly happy with the quality and appearance of this trailer. As future issues arise with use, we'll return to the dealer for appropriate repairs. In the meantime, we're feeling pretty content, although it helps a lot to hear about other's problems and observations. Your insights are very appreciated!
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:25 PM   #29
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Have had it home for almost 2 weeks now. Much better F & F than the previous 2005 22' CCD. Only some minor things that I can take care of..ie drawers in galley cabinet all close to different positions. Simple ( I think ) fix to reposition the catches so they all close to the same plane. I know, I know, somewhat anal there, but...... Also straightened a couple 110 VAC outlets, why can't they be installed straight and level?? A few other details, but very minor. NOW...the strange one. After 7,8 days of 0+ temps, highs about 16 degrees, the door will not latch. Talked to Nick at Spokane Airstream and he says "same problem with some of their coaches outside". Apparently is cold enough for some shrinkage of the door and surrounding frame, etc. so the jaws will not wrap around the bolt and lock up. Now that's a close tolerance!! Will see what happens when it warms up...about July!!!
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Old 12-08-2006, 10:31 AM   #30
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NO MORE ANTIFREEZE!

ok, hi larry

never put water in the fresh tank before? so the loose fill tube was a surprise.

check almost any of the winterizing threads here....

most suggest just putting antifreeze in the lines with a bypass kit or via the inlet hose to the water pump.

some in the traps, toilet bowl and b/g tanks...that's it.

it will take a dozen full tanks of fresh water to remove most of the anitfreeze..

since the tank never is completely driained, perhaps more...yikes.

hope there aren't too many other surprizes...

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While we always like to use the pump as the means to get the antifreeze into the system, the pump is not always accessible. On my 27' '01 Safari the pump was under the floor of the main closet. Unfortunately that year's model had no access from the floor of the closet. The only way to get to the pump was to remove some paneling below the closet door. Not a terrible job since there were accessible screws....but wait even with the screws out the paneling wouldn't budge. Why? Well in their wisdom Airstream framed the paneling with wood trim that went floor to ceiling which was stapled in. I either would have to remove the entire trim piece or cut it to remove only a portion.

I chose to use the fresh water tank method of getting antifreeze into the system. Either I have poor taste buds or after 3 flushes I got all of it out of the tank.

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I guess some good came out of it by discovering the fill hose not connected. Never would have thought to check that. Like filling your truck with fuel you expect it is going in the tank not between the seats.
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I can top that. I bought a new SOB in November from a dealer. The dealer did not prep on the water system since it was dead cold and he didn't want to winterize. The trailer sat at home all winter and on a early spring day I decided to go out a prowl around inside my warm trailer.

I opened up cabinets and looked at things like water lines and drains. To my surprise I found that the city water inlet was missing about 4 inches of piping. If I had connected the outside hookup, I would have flooded the trailer. The very embarrassed dealer corrected the problem.

From that lesson I've learned to trust no one and as best I can, I do a visual of all the lines I can get to. The fresh water tank filler line is a common weak point on many trailers and it's not unusual to find that the clamps on both ends of that filler line are sometimes haphazardly secured.

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Old 12-08-2006, 11:01 AM   #32
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Quote;;I know, I know, somewhat anal there, but...... Also straightened a couple 110 VAC outlets, why can't they be installed straight and level?? A few other details, but very minor.

Clay---Maybe I'm anal too, but the little details you mention while not really all that "big-a deal" , does give you the impression that the skill level of those assembling leave something to be desired. It leaves you thinking that if they can't attach something thats in plain view straight, or are pushed for production so much they don't have time for these items, what about those things I can't see !!! We purchased 3 airstreams in as many years and each has been a little better than the year before. It appears they are making progress, still those little items urk me more than big some time. ---Pieman
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Old 12-08-2006, 11:13 AM   #33
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I am in disbelief that airstream does not install a winterizing kit in their new trailers. Am I missing something here? My neighbor just winterized HIS Lance camper it took all of 10 minutes...most of the time goofing off. Has a builtin bypass/wintering valve. He dumped a couple gallons of RV anti freeze in a bucket and opened the door to the wanter pump...flipped the bypass to winterize stuck the winterize hose in the bucket....opened the facets in the camper turned on the water pump....and in two minutes later..was done??? Antifreeze in the water system but not in the hot water tank or fresh water tank. He opened a valve to drain the hot water tank and fresh water tank....so simple....why is this an issue with Airstream???...I am new..and shopping?????
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hi dford'

agree completely a/s should include a winterizing bypass....

or all dealers should know how to install one ideally for any model...

the problem is, as jack has suggested, the water pump location varies greatly...

from model to model

storage space and 'systems' space is at a premium inside our little tubes...

the water pump is just one example...

but since it makes noise, leaks, fails and otherwise is a pia...

we deal with that one gadget frequently...

even in the largest units a/s makes one must essentially deconstruct a closet for access....

ask me how i know...

and as a condition for delivery, ask the dealer to include this feature....

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Old 12-08-2006, 01:22 PM   #35
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In the 25' Classic the pump is in the wardrobe closet below the bottom shelf.There's hardly enough room to unscrew the water line and no room to install the valve the comes with the kit to pump antifreeze in the lines,I could just get the hose and coupling on. It would be nice to be able to leave it on as intended.
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This is something I've posted about before: The under $20.00 anti-freeze valve should be installed on every AS rolling off the line. This real is a no-brainer, and it is beyond me why they don't do it.

As I've mentioned before, I'd even PAY EXTRA if it were just done at the time of build. Pouring anti freeze in the water tank sucks!!!

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Old 12-10-2006, 05:09 PM   #37
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I couldn't agree more about Airstream putting in a valve for winterizing with easy access and also an external water shut off valve. All these modifications were undertaken by my husband Brad and just completed today.

Your space may be more limited than ours, this is the 27' FB Classic.

1. The closet floor is fastened with about 8 screws and also in one piece supports a shelf over the vertical check valve pipe. Removing is not difficult but time consuming and awkward. Replacing it would be more difficult lining it all back up. So first modification was an easy access point. A cutout from the existing floor was made and then bracing was attached to hold it back in place. It now removes easily and has strength to support storage.

2. An antifreeze valve was permanently installed at the intake of the water pump and to help facilitate access, a longer length of pipe extending it to within easy reach was added.

3. He also put in a shutoff valve for the external water service. Now we can use our fresh water holding tank in cold weather conditions. The city water inlet and outside water share the same pipe so the turnoff is located before both extend to the Airstream's exterior.
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Old 12-11-2006, 11:50 AM   #38
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We took Delivery of our 2007 Safari 20 ft.last month. Weve Had a short Trip,and had it next to the Garage a couple of weeks prior to putting it in storage.
The overall quality appears to be Very Good and Dealer prep was Excellent.
What has bugged me is that it does not have a Winterize Kit, we had sob that cost less than half and it had one. Also my other trailer had a 3-way Fridge and I could Adjust the Temp.After i rcvd.our AS we noticed the fridge temp can't be adjusted !! Another thing is the curtains on the large side window have Just enough material to meet not a 1/16th more.
When spring return's we will see what else comes up.
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I was at the Chicago Boat and RV show this year, and besides the RV section being a let down (very few RVs), I found the US Adventure RV area with 4 Airstrems. A 19', 25' FB, Basecamp and Interstate.

The Interstate looks fine, but I didn't really look too closely.

The BaseCamp seemed more like a toy than a real RV and one step above tenting for $30k??

The 19' I walked in, seemed fairly good overall. Fit and finish looked fine, but where I spent most of my time was the 25' FB SE.

The 25' FB SE was a total wreck in terms of manufact quality. The unit had missing rivets in the inside, several doors that closed but had a LOT of play, and a number of the interior "CCD" type panels seemed like they were just thrown on in a manner like...."well, there is still gap here, let's put this piece in and cover it". Which did cover the gap, but, it also made that spot higher than the rest of the panels in a square area, not a like a joint seam.

I was not able to see the build plates because of the way the units were configured for the show, there was little to no access to these areas.

Now don't get me wrong, the QC has been better since 2003, but what I found interesting was in the boating section. I came across the Chris Craft line. I would consider these the "Airstreams" of the boating market. Very retro, like our Airstreams, a lot of hand building (and automations too I'm sure), yet each of the 5 boats I looked at very closely were on the surface, perfect in evey way shape and form. It was the type of work you'd expect from a premium brand. So I again started to think of the two Airstreams I've owned and the most recent 25' FB SE I just saw and just shook my head. It's no slam on Airstream. Many of the folks there are really great group of folks, but it would be really, truely great if they could match what Chris Craft does and follow what some of the other premium brands do in overall fit, finish and quality.

To Airstreams credit, their units were by far better than most of the units at the show, minus say the $350k and above units I saw.
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Our 2007 Safari 27 FB SE LS seems pretty tight. We have only spent two nights and only 250 miles but are pretty happy so far. What we have found:

Water leak below shower door. What a surprise!

Cabinet doors over stove do not match. Very different colors. AS factory is sending replacement

Leaking petcock under trailer. Very slow leak but does cause the pump to cycle every so often.

I have a solar unit but the batterys seem to loose their charge. I don't know if I have a bad cell in a battery or the stereo amplifier is just always on. I need to check more.

Aside from those, this thing seems well built and I have found no leaks. Then again, we are having a drought in Norther California and rain has not been coming.
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