RV News RVBusiness 2021 Top 10 RVs of the Year, plus 56 additional debuts and must-see units → ×
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-05-2005, 08:40 AM   #21
3 Rivet Member
 
desi arnaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 183
maybe the 25 was made on a friday.........i think the quality vs price is not that good..........i have seen new units and have not been impressed,,,,for $$79k they could at least use leather seating surfaces,and have nicer cabinets...the cabinets look like they were bought at home depot. also on my 2000 they could of had a better way to fasten the cabinets to the back walls.
i have had to use blocks and shims to get them back installed properly.
desi arnaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 09:38 AM   #22
1 Rivet Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 14
You're absolutely right Stingray, we need our heads examined. The dilema is that as poor as the QC is, it's still the best out there. We looked at other manufacturers and even the Holiday Rambler Presidential has the same cheap materials and even worse Fit & Finish, and with nearly the same MSRP and no resale value.

I bought my last Amercian car in 1979 due to the same problems and have driven imports ever since (with zero problems). Now I need a stronger tow vehicle and just bought the Yukon Denali - our first American car in 26 years. Both the AS and the Denali are like halitosis - better than no breath at all.

Sooner or later the Japanese or some other import manufacturer is going to eat AS's lunch just like they did in the automobile segment.
dms4911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 04:52 PM   #23
Rivet Master
 
StingrayL82's Avatar
 
San Angelo , Texas
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,254
Images: 37
I wonder if you can order an Airstream, then go to the factory and watch it being built, like you can with Porsche at the Stuttgart factory. That way, if you see something that isn't to your expectations, it can be changed on the spot, instead of finding out about it down the road. Also, were the problems with your 25' still under warranty?

Frederic
__________________
Frederic
1971 Sovereign International - SOLD

2004 F-350 King Ranch

AIR # 8239
EX-WBCCI # 8371
StingrayL82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 05:38 PM   #24
uwe
418
 
uwe's Avatar
 
2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley , California
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 1963 26' Overlander
Posts: 4,785
Images: 41
Send a message via Skype™ to uwe
I am off to spy missions to the local dealer a few times a month lately, looking at cabinet construction and layout models to use while building my 1963's interior.
While the ideas and techniques are good, the execution is sad, as it has been for several years now.
The 2006 models on their lot are every bit as good or bad as were the 2004/2005 models I have been looking at.
Every time I go, there's another new trailer with a fallen cabinet or broken door sittin on their lot. I understand the sawdust onte floor and in the cabinets, but for a trailer of this caliber (both $$ and reputation) to not make the delivery trip in one piece is a sad fact to behold.
I refuse to believe that these are isolated cases, since I see it every time I visit there.
As a matter of fact, while looking at the new 23ft Safari, one of the overhead doors came off right into my hands.
In another trailer, the mirrored bathroom cabinet door was left hanging by one hinge. etc.etc.etc.
Nuff said.
__________________
Uwe
www.area63productions.com
uwe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 05:51 PM   #25
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
yes you can and no you can't and maybe you shouldn't........

hi stingray and others

yes you can order a new unit and visit the factory during production, take the tour daily with don and see the unit materialize.....i did this and it was an exciting experience.....most production timelines are 10 days so you can visit early, late, or for the whole sheebang!

no it is unlikely that you could make changes to the unit during production....changes would need to be communicated via your dealer and order changes need be made prior to the production date.....and some changes if they involve significant items/materials would be in advance of the start date......or the order might be delayed some.....lastly the factory guys don't work for you they work for airstream so if you started tellin' what to do or what to fix......well ya just might get escorted off the site by folks with badges.......or the factory manager might snag ya and lead ya up to the offices (ask me how i know).......

touring the factory while you unit is on the line is not for the faint of heart......most everyone likes a good cheeseburger, but almost no one wants to see the cow killed........i'll post some details about 'factory produced anxiety' in another post.

cheers
2air'

Quote:
Originally Posted by StingrayL82
I wonder if you can order an Airstream, then go to the factory and watch it being built, like you can with Porsche at the Stuttgart factory. That way, if you see something that isn't to your expectations, it can be changed on the spot, instead of finding out about it down the road. Also, were the problems with your 25' still under warranty?

Frederic
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2005, 07:08 AM   #26
1 Rivet Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 14
All the problems with our 25 are under warranty, since it is an 05 model bought new on April 21st. The problem is getting service. When the refrig went out on May 7th, my dealer said that he couldn't even look at it until the end of July. (See previous thread re: 05 quality). Luckily, I took it to Camping World and they fixed it on the spot.

All other problems I fixed myself.
dms4911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2005, 07:39 AM   #27
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,475
Quote:
Originally Posted by dms4911
All the problems with our 25 are under warranty, since it is an 05 model bought new on April 21st. The problem is getting service. When the refrig went out on May 7th, my dealer said that he couldn't even look at it until the end of July. (See previous thread re: 05 quality). Luckily, I took it to Camping World and they fixed it on the spot.

All other problems I fixed myself.
Yea, I'd agree that good service centers in between are hard to find, but for appliances and such that can be fixed nearly at any authorized manufac spot, things like fridges as you found out don't necc need to be fixed by an authorized Airstream dealer/service center. For example I had issues with our Atwood furnace in our 2003. A local shop about 3 miles away was an authorized Atwood repair center. Far closer than say 2 hours the closest dealer was at the time.

Air, I'm thinking of doing that exact thing should I trade our 2004 for a 2006. Please PM me or post the watching the cow get killed for the cheesburger exp you had at the factory.
__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005, 08:38 AM   #28
2 Rivet Member
 
jimlegs's Avatar
 
2006 Safari SE
Erie , Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 23
Not bad so far

Quote:
Originally Posted by uwe
The 2006 models on their lot are every bit as good or bad as were the 2004/2005 models I have been looking at.
Every time I go, there's another new trailer with a fallen cabinet or broken door sittin on their lot. I understand the sawdust onte floor and in the cabinets, but for a trailer of this caliber (both $$ and reputation) to not make the delivery trip in one piece is a sad fact to behold.
I refuse to believe that these are isolated cases, since I see it every time I visit there.
As a matter of fact, while looking at the new 23ft Safari, one of the overhead doors came off right into my hands.
In another trailer, the mirrored bathroom cabinet door was left hanging by one hinge. etc.etc.etc.
Nuff said.
I've not been involved with Airstream for very long, but I have seen some of what you mention. However, I also believe that some of that comes from these dealers bringing them to shows, or having folks mess around with them in their lots. Have you watched others go through them? It's amazing what people do. Like pull on the "corner" parts of the shelves which are NOT supposed to be pulled on, and breaking them.

I just picked up my 2006 Safari FB SE ...whatever....and have gone over it pretty well. I was dismayed at the amount of saw/Al dust/debris on the floor after driving it home (NJ-CO). I found it hard to believe they couldn't clean that stuff up as the unit is built. At JC they said "that's normal". To me, it's unacceptable.

So far, I have very few complaints with the quality. One wall has a gouge in it that I will have fixed, the air conditioner cover is cracked, and the LP gas detector is not getting 12volts. (I will find the fuse tonight to see if that's the problem. I know the detector itself is working.)

Other than those relatively minor things, the only other items I've found so far are:
- Rusty screws holding the running lights on (replaced at JC)
- Bulged laminate on my flip up shelf (replaced at JC)
- Cracked laminate on the sink edging ( Looks like someone buggered it.)
- 2 door hinges had loose screws ( I think that's one reason why shelves could "come off in your hands", and it's ridiculously minor. Pop the plastic cover and tighten one screw.)
- One door latch is slightly too far back causing the door to need to be pushed passed vertical to latch (a flip down door). No big deal, I probably won't bother "fixing" it.
- One window blind holding tab is incorrectly placed and will not hold the blind when moving.
- The fan in the shower did not work before I took delivery. Fixed before I left.

I have not really used the camper yet (2 nights coming home hardly counts), but everything seems to be OK so far. I know the fridge, heat, air cond, hot water, etc. all work, but I don't know if they're reliable yet. That will take a bit of time.
jimlegs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2005, 05:41 PM   #29
2 Rivet Member
 
jimlegs's Avatar
 
2006 Safari SE
Erie , Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 23
followup

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimlegs
So far, I have very few complaints with the quality. ...the LP gas detector is not getting 12volts. (I will find the fuse tonight to see if that's the problem. I know the detector itself is working.)
The problem with the LP gas detector was a blown fuse. It's easy to fix. There's a "hatch" of sorts just under the bed, removed with 3 screws. This gives access to the wiring in the front of the trailer. The inline, 1A fuse was simple to replace.
jimlegs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2005, 09:06 AM   #30
3 Rivet Member
 
OpenHigher's Avatar
 
2006 Safari SE
Los Alamitos , California
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 136
Well hello all:

Sherry and I, Robert, will be picking up our Safari LS SE 28 footer in about 8 weeks. Will post here the results, and we intend to spend several hours at the dealer, before it ever leaves the lot.

In the meantime, I did not order the 600 watt converter, and think maybe I should have. I understand it would have been hard wired, as opposed to "plug and play" like the one below. What does everyone think? It is probably not too hard to call the dealer and tell him to have it factory installed, but dealer said they could do it also, and not difficult.

Let me know, and lets hope for quality control on our trailer. Its an awful lot of money for issues out the gate.

Robert and Sherry

http://www.bestconverter.com/view_category.asp?cat=54
OpenHigher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2005, 09:44 AM   #31
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,653
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenHigher
Well hello all:

Sherry and I, Robert, will be picking up our Safari LS SE 28 footer in about 8 weeks. Will post here the results, and we intend to spend several hours at the dealer, before it ever leaves the lot.
Does your dealer have any overnight sites on his lot? If so I would highly recommend that you overnight and have him address any problems the next morning. If they don't have a site, maybe a close campground. Its funny what you will find that can be addressed right away the next day.

For us it was a shower leak. We wouldn't have found that until our first outing. Instead we found it the next morning while showering at the dealer's full hookup site.

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2005, 06:59 PM   #32
Rivet Master
 
SilverRanger's Avatar
 
2005 19' Safari
1968 24' Tradewind
Rural , Delaware
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,476
I'll second what Jack said regarding the overnight stay at the dealership, if they offer it. By the next morning I had a list of questions and corrections ranging from minor caulking to a major plumbing leak. Most of the issues were taken care of before we left the lot. The remainder were done by appointment. In retrospect, I think I would have had more leverage on the appointment if I had waited until the next day to sign the papers.

There's still an issue with the calibration of the black water tank sensor. They replaced the sensor but the problem remains. I'll get it taken care of before the warranty expires. It's not a major problem, so I'll wait awhile to see if anything else comes up.

Congratulations on the new Safari.
SilverRanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2005, 09:34 AM   #33
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,653
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverRanger
In retrospect, I think I would have had more leverage on the appointment if I had waited until the next day to sign the papers.

There's still an issue with the calibration of the black water tank sensor. They replaced the sensor but the problem remains. I'll get it taken care of before the warranty expires.
My dealer works it that way. He doesn't have you come in to do the paperwork until the trailer meets your satisfaction. A great way to do business.

The good news for those who don't know is that the systems monitor panel has a 5 year warranty from the manufacturer. So you have 3 additional years to work with, although that doesn't cover any labor by your dealer. Did they replace the sensor or was it the monitor panel?

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2005, 11:54 AM   #34
Rivet Master
 
redeagle313's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
NE , Indiana
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 620
Images: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenHigher
Well hello all:


In the meantime, I did not order the 600 watt converter, and think maybe I should have. I understand it would have been hard wired, as opposed to "plug and play" like the one below. What does everyone think? It is probably not too hard to call the dealer and tell him to have it factory installed, but dealer said they could do it also, and not difficult.


http://www.bestconverter.com/view_category.asp?cat=54
If you spent money on the audio/video package, then spend the money on the 600w inverter, it will allow you to use your TV when you are NOT plugged into shore power. I asked for a price to upgrade my '05 International from the 400 to the 600 unit, and the price quoted was in excess of $1500.
__________________
Hi Yo Silver, Away II?
looking for our next AS
TAC IN-3
AIR 7185
redeagle313 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2005, 01:08 PM   #35
Rivet Master
 
Tin Hut's Avatar
 
2005 28' International CCD
Pagosa Springs , Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 804
Images: 1
Lcd Tv

When I got my 2005 the converter wasn't an option. My dealer http://www.rogerwilliams.com/Special...-Trailers.aspx just rewired the LCD TV into the 12 volt circuit so it doesn't require an inverter when not plugged into AC. Don't know why AS didn't do it that way to begin with.
__________________
"would you rather have a mansion full of money or a trailer full of love?"

Tin Hut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2005, 03:20 AM   #36
Rivet Master
 
SilverRanger's Avatar
 
2005 19' Safari
1968 24' Tradewind
Rural , Delaware
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,476
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcanavera
My dealer works it that way. He doesn't have you come in to do the paperwork until the trailer meets your satisfaction. A great way to do business.

The good news for those who don't know is that the systems monitor panel has a 5 year warranty from the manufacturer. So you have 3 additional years to work with, although that doesn't cover any labor by your dealer. Did they replace the sensor or was it the monitor panel?

Jack

That is a sound business practice. We weren't pressured to sign on the same day. I just didn't expect anything to be wrong with a brand new Airstream. Let's just say it was a great learning experience. My dealer does have a program where, after you get any repair work done, you get a call from a surveyor to ask if you were satisfied with the work. If not, you can request a return call from the owner to disuss it. The family-owned dealership has a good reputation, and the owners and management have been very accessible. So far, they appear to be the only bridge across the rather wide chasm between the sales and service departments.

It was the only the sensor that was replaced. I believe I read somewhere on the forum that most of the problems with the false tank readings were with the calibration of the unit, and not the sensor itself. Perhaps I should find this thread and print it out for my next visit to the dealership.
SilverRanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2005, 07:42 PM   #37
Rivet Master
 
CanoeStream's Avatar

 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
St. Cloud , Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,280
Images: 19
Blog Entries: 3
The originator of this thread, Eric 'Silvertwinkie', may find time to post the .pdf calibration files. T'ain't done yet. I actually found it yesterday in the original documentation provided for my trailer from Airstream.

Okay, I found Eric's thread easily. Do a search on 'calibration.' "Micropulse Tank Monitor Calibration" is one of the top returns on that search. Post there if you are still in need after reviewing your 3-hole binder of individual product brochures.
__________________
Bob

5 meter Langford Nahanni

CanoeStream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2005, 10:57 PM   #38
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,653
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Calibration Links

Quote:
Originally Posted by Canoe stream
The originator of this thread, Eric 'Silvertwinkie', may find time to post the .pdf calibration files.
Eric has passed these items on to me and I have uploaded them to the Greater St. Louis' WBCCI web site. Here is a link to the calibration thread and the subsequent links to the PDF files.

Link to Calibration Thread

Regards,

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2005, 06:41 AM   #39
Rivet Master
 
CanoeStream's Avatar

 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
St. Cloud , Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,280
Images: 19
Blog Entries: 3
2006 25' Fb Se

Thanks Jack, Eric -- hope all is well!

Okay, I've been wanting to get this done -- we picked up our trailer almost 3 weeks ago and had it out 4 nights for a shakedown cruise. We've been romancing it in the storage garage since then but are about to take it out again for 6 days starting soon. We have about another month and will have to winterize -- it's occasionally getting below 40F at night already.

I would say quality is pretty darned good. Fit and finish, mechanicals, decor are what we were expecting. The laminate used throughout seems thinner than what you'd use in your kitchen, is a lightweight option of course, and shows some very minor dings or errors on a minimum number of edges. We got the 'Midnight Sun' interior fabric -- it will not show every smudge, though I'm not sure how well any of these will wear in the long run. I considered the mock leather but made the intentional decision not to go that way (I believe Eric opted for this).

Tanks are great capacity but all three hang below the belly wrap by about 5" or more (will have to get a picture). They are in front of and lower than the axles. Will have to be aware of the middle crown on dirt roads.. I'm not about to take it apart but they appear to have the standard multilayer construction for insulation.

Real quality issues?
1. Lug nut covers: see 'Lug Nut - Tire' thread http://www.airforums.com/forum...ad.php?t=18460 -- this was a little unnerving when I aimed to retorque my nuts, but posed no real trouble to a good X-shaped tire wrench.
2. The front storage access door frame is slightly too small for the door. It binds at the top when closed. It's impossible to open once I have the load distribution engaged. I will have to rely on some silicone spray to keep it free enough to open by hand. I will get this back to the dealer! The latch bars don't have enough room to go to full vertical (I could fix that, but...). The accomodation for this problem is minor -- I just need to plan stowage before I hitch up. There is plenty of other outside storage with a 30" long compartment curbside front and a 40+" long compartment roadside front.
3. I ordered the twin beds in front for better storage drawers underneath, lack of tightness with queen, chance to go fishing with buds, etc. We didn't want the postage stamp of installed carpet that would have begun in this area, so ordered all linoleum. What could be simpler? But it seems the underlying floor is 1/8th inch or so higher forward of the junction and there is a hollow area under the linoleum for about 3" at this point -- will have to watch this and I have a fix in mind if problems are in the offing. Can't figure out why they'd have a different thickness floor starting there but Airstream could have been more informative on the impact of requesting this modification.
4. The standard annoyance of beds that hang about 4-5" off the side of the underlying platform. This is not a sleep issue but I really wonder how it will bear up over time.

Overall I am very pleased and don't see any significant problems. This is good value for the dollars -- and I'm comparing to my Argosy and most any SOB on the road! I can maintain from here and be very satisfied with the layout and an exceptional bring-the-outside-in window plan! Additionally, two herniated disks in my neck appreciate I won't be redoing the aft bath and floor in the old Argosy.
__________________
Bob

5 meter Langford Nahanni

CanoeStream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2005, 06:43 AM   #40
Rivet Master
 
SilverRanger's Avatar
 
2005 19' Safari
1968 24' Tradewind
Rural , Delaware
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,476
Thanks for the responses and links. I think it'll help to have the information in hand when I take it in for work after I get back from Florida. Right now, I'm on the road and enjoying the Airstream.

GW
SilverRanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wanderer - What Year Was It Born ? eikel1we 1957 Wanderer 15 12-06-2011 05:53 PM
How much will you spend this year? Andy R Community Polls 76 02-01-2009 09:22 AM
Cool Airstream Model Mr Jody Hudson Our Community 12 03-19-2006 09:19 AM
year wood veneer changed to laminate? thx yukonsilver Interior Restoration Forum 4 04-18-2004 06:31 PM
Suggestion: Airstream trailer Forums (by Model & Year) hex Forum Admin, News and Member Account Info 2 10-15-2002 07:38 PM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:16 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.