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Old 04-25-2020, 06:26 PM   #1
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Restoration--Monkey Business--the '68 Caravel

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About a year and a half ago, a 64 Globetrotter got away from me that was going to be my semi-retirement project. That's an interesting story, but I'll save it for later.

There was enough to this that I got real serious about finding the right short mid-60's trailer. I passed by an RV shop about 45 miles from my house that's about 10 miles from a small farm that I have. He often had an Airstream or two in his gravel lot. One trip to the farm, I noticed enough of one to guess it was 22' or shorter and a 5 panel. I guessed his overhead was low, and I stopped in one day to discuss a short punch list on my '05 Safari to get it ready for a tip to the East Coast. He was friendly and let me look around. The short trailer was a Safari, but he didn't know the year. It was pretty rough with dents in three of 4 upper end-cap corners, but everything was intact inside. He said he was doing work for a lady who bought it to fix up and she was hoping to make a little money on it. It was pretty easy to pass on it, since I didn't think the perfectionist in me could live with the big dents, though patina didn't bother me.

Then one Friday around 2 pm, I searched RV Trader and just minutes before, a '68 Caravel was posted for sale, with just 4 blurry pictures.
A text to the number "is this trailer still available" returned a "yes"
More pics were sent and the price wasn't cheap, but wasn't out of line for what it was. It was pretty much intact and looked original, though the pics are never what it looks like up close.

I didn't think it would stay on the market more than a day, so the old guy who owned it had me talk to his daughter to put a deposit on it. We could have issued a credit on his credit card and maybe had a little recourse if things went south, but we ended up sending a few hundred electronically to his closest Walmart after getting a pic of a drivers license and a physical address where the trailer was.

I was planning on hopping a Southwest flight on Wednesday the next week on my day off, but just thought it wouldn't be there by then.

So here's where the trailer name came from. Friday before the bank closed, my office manager went to two bank branches and got the Benjamins and I double wrapped them into aluminum foil and was off at dawn in my little tweety bird, as if to make a drug deal. The owner and his son pulled into the FBO where I landed with the tiny trailer pulled behind an F-450 Dually. That was a mismatch of all TVs.

I had purchased a plane before that I wasn't prepared to fly home and there are procedures to make sure you get what you paid for, but this wasn't quite the same. There wasn't a hangar that I could rent for a week to stash it away and then retrieve it a few days later. So, I left with the title and all the original paperwork in the plane, and he went home with my trailer and my brick of cash, but with as many things to have recourse as I could think of. The owner had been dabbling in fishing boats and Airstreams for some time and suggested U-shipit.com, which worked out better than I thought it might, but that's a story for a later time. He was just a little shady, but just enough legit. After sleeping on edge Sunday through Tuesday night, Wednesday around Midnight, about 5 hrs after the eta, Monkey Business was in my circle drive.

Many people have commented that they wished they had chronicled their restoration, so, forgive me for being a newbie, but I'm going to go back to all my PM's and saved favorites and over a few posts that aren't as long bring things to where the project stands today.

Monkey Business is back from a shell off, new frame with the addition of a fresh water tank below the floor forward of the axle and a grey water tank aft of that. The rest will be what my talented helper Dustin and I do from here. Comments and suggestions are always welcome. Here's how it started.
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The Initial Assessment

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The next morning after arrival, the assessment began. The floor had a Pergo type of laminate over carpet over the original asbestos tile squares. I pulled out the curb side seating to start pulling up the floor covering in its layers. Fortunately, I thought to put on a respirator, thinking of mold, but after doing a quick search found that the tile had asbestos as a component.

I moved around to the street-side bench up front and completed the floor repair. Each step along the way, I put the benches back in their original location with screws, so that I could keep things straight.

The pull-out couch along the street-side was last that day. A quick check with a punch or an awl of the sub-floor, led me to believe that the damage to the plywood was pretty minimal. I posted on the forum for suggestions on how to assess the sub-floor without belly pan removal. https://www.airforums.com/forums/f36...al-188813.html It looked like I might be able to see enough of the frame to make a good assessment of structure and if sound proceed without a shell off, full Monte.

Ultimately the outer plywood from the width of the frame rails were removed on both sides forward of the wheel wells and across the front. Half lap joints were set up with a rabbeting bit on a router and cut straight with a ledger board secured to the central sub-floor.

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After getting the lap joints made with a router, my first test fit with new marine 3/4" plywood would not fit between frame outriggers and the C-channel of the shell. A little soft persuasion of the shell with a pair of quick supports https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...k-support-rods allowed us to put some temporary spacers in place.

With the prep work done and the lap jointed new plywood in place, things were looking positive. But that joy would not last. While on hands and knees all day with a router, tapping the new pieces of sub-floor into position, what was not evident until the requisite adult beverage and view from the door, was that the entire street-side outriggers sloped down, and with a straightedge on the floor left to right the drop was almost 3/8". This was a game changer and a waste of three Saturdays, in retrospect.

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Piecemeal floor repair could work--A little more about my oversight

From the pics above, and before I realized that I had outrigger sag--like plumber's crack?? No, you know what I mean. If I had taken a laser level and trued up the whole floor, before removing any dry rotted segments, I would have been able to tell that the frame support had either had broken welds or a bend somewhere. I ran a straight edge over all the exposed outriggers to find the one low one with a cracked weld, but that didn't identify the outward trist in the frame rail. What I learned, is take on the messy job of pulling the belly pan if you think you're going to try to avoid a frame off. To do one of these trailers, especially the more valuable or rare ones means you have to do it right, or chose a different trailer.

My guess in the few steps ahead of this post is that worn out axles, especially on these single axle trailers, and more so on a 3" frame trailer wreak havoc with the mild steel in the frame. You can drive a railroad spike with a tack hammer, if you hit it enough times.
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Who was that guy that did your trailer???

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My concern when I had the dry rot removed was a slight question about how the street side A-frame looked. I wasn't sure if there was a small spring to the frame or not. I could certainly see why it wouldn't be advisable to use a weight distribution hitch on a 3" frame trailer. One deep pothole and the frame might just get bent somewhere between the hitch and the axle attach points.

One of our Vintage Club members had the artistic eye to see their trailer complete, but didn't have the space and experience for a frame-off. I still wanted to do the bulk of what this trailer needed and had done some major restoration and construction projects with my helper of 21 yrs. I had a hangar that I could have done the shell off in and I knew how to weld, but I also had a day job.

The owner's of the 61 Flying Cloud were very complimentary of their experience with Paul Mayeux in Paradise, TX, so on the next Monday, I gave Paul a call to tell him what I found and to see what he would do.

His recommendation was like a house I had bought to remodel, when a friend who helped me with that said do you want the good news or the bad news first. That's always an eye opener. The bad news for the house was that my friend could tear the existing house down and build the structure the architect had drawn for the same price as the addition. Hmmmm.

What Paul said was that I could have a brand new frame under the trailer for about the same price as the sandblasting and frame repair.

Next question was what if I want a gray water tank and what if I want to move the fresh water tank below the floor. Answer about the same as sandblasting and frame repair.

Well, tell me when to bring it down, and by the way, what can I do that will save me some money? Answer--pull the bathroom/bulkheads/lower skins. No problem.

Just one problem...getting the Hydro-Flame heater flue pipe apart. The inner pipe, which is the exhaust rusts together and there's no place to lever or get any rotation. What ultimately worked was to separate a couple of the tabs that held the outer galvanized pipe to the inner one and getting an oversize pair of battery pliers on it after days of PB Blaster and with rotation it gave way and was ready for re-use. A little brazing down the road will fix those tabs.
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It's like Visitor Sunday

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Within any successful shop like Paul's, there has to be a mix of projects as well as general service, just for cash flow. It would be hard to pay the bills if you just rolled out one project every 9 months or so. It may be some shops nightmare, but I always like to check up on things. I was at a conference in Dallas, and it wasn't much of a big deal to run over to check on things. The frame wasn't done yet, and the old one was at the fabricators, but the shell was there under the gantry hoist. Good photo op, and chance to keep tabs on progress.
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Frame back from Fabricator

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A lot of decisions have to be made about what you want in your project as it unfolds. What do you think about originality, vs modernization. Do you want your modernization to show or not?

Most people on the forum think they got it about as good as it gets with the Caravel and especially with the '68. The bathroom has a central shower pan with the toilet to the street-side and the lavatory to the curbside. The two pantries are about as big as can fit in a little trailer and the three upper lockers on the street-side, the two above the galley and the forward one are hard to improve upon.

With the old frame beside the new one, Paul was able to lay out the floor drain location for the shower and keep the same vent locations with the curbside one venting the new gray water tank and the street side on venting the black water tank.

When figuring some of this stuff out one has to ask, how long can you and your spouse be on the road in 14' foot of interior space. We guessed we'd be fine for 3 days, whereas we can be comfortable in our 25' 05 Safari for about 10-12 days. We plan on this trailer being our Rally trailer and our weekend Boon-docker.

Here's the new frame with the sub-floor ready to mark out the penetrations for plumbing.
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It looks really good. I’m a big believer in a sizable hold down plate. Just wondering, had you planned for a rear plate, or do you have the rear storage with an exterior hatch? As far as restoration or renovation, we rebuilt the inside of both our trailers to the exact look of the originals. We have all modern amenities, just hidden. It works for us. Good luck on your project.
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Bubba-I had thought about maybe mounting my spare tire on the rear, though I had enough space left up front for mounting it vertical. I think the rear hold down plate requires a lot of precision, and can't really be welded in after the fact with the Airstream design. The rear still looks like the water intrusion flaw in the whole design.

That's my plan, hide the modern, with the exception of a bulkhead mounted TV.
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OK, it's later now: what's the story of the 64 Globetrotter that got away from you??

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The one that got away

I never saw the Airstream in the yard behind my Mom's house, but in 2017, Mom got sick and following a short demise passed away. She was in the process of rehabbing the house two doors down that she had been renting for several years. I'm one of 6 surviving kids and this property was one in need of some work that not all my sibs had in their wheelhouse. I took it on, and in the process did a little survey of the neighborhood. To my surprise an Airstream had sat one half block away on the street that ran parallel to Mom's back yard.

My best guess based on the window pattern was that it was a 65 GT. I sent the owner a letter telling him of my prior restoration activities in airplanes and Corvettes and offered to purchase the trailer at a fair price. I sent the letter to the address that the house had been deeded to.

No response.

Turns out the owner had never re-deeded the house after inheriting it from his father, so my letter was addressed to the father, not the surviving 80ish year old son.

My Mom had been the parish secretary for probably 40 years in this neighborhood and it turned out that the owner went to church every day, and then was suddenly a no show at church. The owner was without heirs and the parish was under the impression that his estate was pledged to the parish on his passing. At the same time, my Mom's successor at the parish was the caretaker of one of my patients, and also a grade school classmate. For reasons, that I may not know in this life, that classmate mentioned the owner's absence from church services to me in the office, and the patient was an attorney. I looked online and saw that a will had been presented to the County Court. She got me a copy and a mystery writer would probably make a novel out of the third party.

A Designated Representative had executed a will leaving all assets of the deceased to the Designated Representative. The Designated Representative on further internet search has a business of "death investigations".

The Parish not having a copy of a prior will was not in a position to contest, and that was that, so it seemed.

I contacted the Designated Representative via phone and told him that I'd like to purchase the trailer at a fair price that he had the opportunity to set, but that afternoon the trailer was out of the yard, and on its way to Montana.

Never say anything about the dead, but that seems fishy to me.

Turns out the Designated Representative happened to inherit the entire estate of another man two years previously.

And like Forrest Gump says...And that's all I'm going to say about that....
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Hooeee! Sounds like the beginning of a very good whodunit. Veddy inteddesting.... Thanks for sharing that story!

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Well docflyboy, as a transplanted fellow Jayhawker, I have enjoyed the tails and look forward to following along on the restoration project. Looks good so far. Keep posting.
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Tails and tales

I take it you enjoyed the tails in Lawrence and the tales on the thread. At least I would hope so...
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I genuinely enjoyed reading of your adventures, and am looking forward to more! you are an excellent storyteller! Thanks again!
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So what's the next step?

It's easy to get the cart in front of the horse. The trailer's on a new frame and the plywood floor is crying out for a top notch installation of Marmoleum.

The folks at Forbo are very obliging with free samples. I've taken samples out to the garage and put them up against the yellowed vinyl clad interior skins and the not so yellowed upper locker doors. I've gotten samples from Paul of vinyl clad aluminum from trailers 10 or 20 years newer. They're all just a little different, though the texture is the same.

Tomorrow, I'm heading to my automotive paint store that I worked with on my T-34B restoration years ago and some automotive projects. I'll get the sage advice of the owner and take an upper locker door and a piece of clad aluminum and once the color is matched to the non-yellowed, least sun damaged sample, I'm planning on painting the interior skins, while they're removed from the trailer. I'm not planning on removing my front end-cap, which has a tiny crack inside the storage area, but other than not color matching the vinyl-clad skins, just needs to have a light coat of paint.

After that, I think some of the samples that I've rejected previously, might get a new consideration. Currently, though, the odds on favorite now is 3613 Almost Darkness Piano. My concern is the trailer seeming smaller and too dark. My stove is in great shape, but is a pretty unexciting color of yellow/beige.

Here in Kansas City, we have an excellent resource for refinishing porcelain. The folks at Independence Porcelain Enamel have a passion for working with vintage enthusiasts, and if I go the route of the dark floor, I'm thinking re-doing the range in Black Porcelain. I already decided on a 120/12V fridge by Vitrifrigo and the face is s/s. The case goods will be Honduras Mahogany, and I can go with an oiled finish or a brown or red toned stain. But first, I've got to get my wall color ironed out. I learned a lesson the hard way on a recent office buildout, with LED lights, almost any color that has yellow in the mix looks a light mint green, and although that could be a vintage color palette, that's not what I'm thinking I want.

Other's who've wrestled with the color palette, please chime in.

I'm hoping not to go the Acrylic topcoat way either, because I want the texture of the vinyl clad surface. Please chime in.
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We went with light and bright. Zolatone for the walls and Marmoleum for the floor. The 66 we used the Zolatone Flex roll on and the 55 the conventional spray. I like the Flex. We had picked our Marmoleum and countertop colors. Don’t remember which trailer, but Zolatone worked with us on a custom color with the multi-color specs that tied everything together. But the brightness does make a smaller interior look roomier. We did try the LED color spectrum with our color charts before going forward. I’m sure whatever colors you choose will look great. Good luck
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Corrosion in window sills

This query is directed at Bubba L. I noticed on your 55 restoration, you dealt with some corrosion in the window sills and had to rebuild at least one of them. I've got some pitting corrosion in the bottom piece of aluminum in a couple of my windows due to poor window seals from the past. I'm concerned about just going to town with a Scotch-brite pad because I don't want to remove all the alclad so I was wanting to maybe do the aluminum oxide removal chemically. I've already got the outside polished and new seals, so I don't want to make a huge mess. Is there an aluminum cleaner that's more of a gel, that I could clean this up with. After getting the corrosion out, I'm thinking about using an acid etch primer and then spraying with the same metallic single stage that my frame was shot with on just the lower piece and then polishing the sides. Thoughts?
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This query is directed at Bubba L. I noticed on your 55 restoration, you dealt with some corrosion in the window sills and had to rebuild at least one of them. I've got some pitting corrosion in the bottom piece of aluminum in a couple of my windows due to poor window seals from the past. I'm concerned about just going to town with a Scotch-brite pad because I don't want to remove all the alclad so I was wanting to maybe do the aluminum oxide removal chemically. I've already got the outside polished and new seals, so I don't want to make a huge mess. Is there an aluminum cleaner that's more of a gel, that I could clean this up with. After getting the corrosion out, I'm thinking about using an acid etch primer and then spraying with the same metallic single stage that my frame was shot with on just the lower piece and then polishing the sides. Thoughts?
From what I understood, the alclad protected the 2024T3 from corrosion, to an extent. Also, I didn’t think the window frames were alclad. At any rate, I used Aluminum Jelly, not Naval Jelly with the lighter grade scotch brite pads to remove the corrosion. Have heard the Aluminum Jelly is hard to find now. So if it’s factual that the frames are not alclad, remove the corrosion using whatever is the least compromising to the aluminum. I also purchased an inexpensive Harbor Freight bench grinder and placed a sewn wheel on it. I used a couple grades of Nuvite to polish them. Concerning spray paint, you may want to look at Dupli-Color from Auto Zone. They have a Ford Silver Metallic BFM0226 in a spray can. Seems to hold up well. MattB with the Double Nickel Project and RankAm have both refinished frames that looked great. Let us know how it goes.
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Bubba- that sounds good. That rattle can will be a lot less than my duPont jobber charges. thanks. Also your shellac has change my mind about tung oil. Nice depth on your casegoods. Jerry
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Bubba- that sounds good. That rattle can will be a lot less than my duPont jobber charges. thanks. Also your shellac has change my mind about tung oil. Nice depth on your casegoods. Jerry
Jerry, you are more than welcome. The shellac color matched the original cabinet color AS did in 1955. Let me know if I can help. Take care
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