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Old 11-03-2019, 09:02 PM   #561
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Very nice stove vent. I would also keep it vertical.

I think that I would just make it out of wood and cover it with aluminum and see how it works out. I do think it would look better to give some extra length to the vertical vent. Instead of 0Ē on the short side with 1.5Ē on the long side, maybe 2Ē on the short side and 3.5Ē on the long side.

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Old 11-04-2019, 05:17 AM   #562
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Very impressed with the vertical stack adaptation!
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:43 AM   #563
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Measure twice, cut once.

Sharing failures can sometimes be as instructive as exhibiting successes. At least it can be funnier. Having said that, I present you with the result of my recent attempt to fabricate an upright flu vent. Oh well, back to the cutting board, with more accurate measurements, this time.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:52 AM   #564
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Next up: make sure pic is properly oriented before posting it. When it rains it pours.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:05 PM   #565
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Houston we have orientation.

For relief from neck pain, the pic is now right, even if the job wasn't.
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:38 AM   #566
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I fail to see the failure.

Several threads here made me realize getting stuck on perfection can make a project never end. I also recall someone asking ďhow often is someone getting on a ladder and looking on top
of your trailer or crawling on the ground to look under it?Ē

Even on a ladder I think you did a good job.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:04 AM   #567
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Thank you Jeremy. But allow me to explain (or, perhaps, rationalize). What happened is that I ran a level out from the high point of the roof, measured the distance from the low point up to the level and then marked and cut my base accordingly, not allowing for any thickness of the base at the high point. Thus my mildly cock-eyed result. In my view, it is not so much a matter of perfectionism as a matter of correcting a mistake, though I realize that may well be a distinction without a difference. As an aside, throughout my legal career, in writing and rewriting countless briefs, I would often have to remind myself of Voltaireís observation that perfect is the enemy of good. But then I would also always think, people call me a fatalist, but what can I do about it?:
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:07 PM   #568
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I'm certainly not a perfectionists. I have amature errors in my Overlander. But most are workmanship issues, not functional issues.

I think your heater stack looks just fine.

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The heat goes on

Thanks to Atomic_13, whose Dickinson heater spurred my envy and whose recommendation of a Yellow Jacket flaring tool awakened my latent common sense, I have ditched my Home Depot kerosene heater. Now, if I had only stuck the foam board insulation in under the subfloor this past summer. Oh well, spring is not far off.
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Exhibit A

Here it is.
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Boy does that look warm and cozy. I haven't purchased a furnace for my Overlander yet. Maybe one of these fancy "gas fireplaces" would work instead. Hummmm. I'll give it some thought.

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Great to see it in action. Looks great!

Iíve noticed that as you add components to the inside of the trailer (reducing the cubic feet of air needed to heat) itís notably more effective. I suspect our trailers size itís about ideal for the temperatures most will be camping at. My experience thus far is positive but limited to warming my trailer during its renovation (not overnight camping).

As you know, I added a catalytic heater in the rear bathroom to warm that end of the trailer on particularly cold nights. This should also be nice during showers. The catalytic heaters require a window and vent to be slightly open to allow new O2 to enter the trailer. A common misconception is that itís to vent CO, which isnít true if all is functioning properly (keep them covered and dust free when not in use).

One is the pluses of our Dickinsons is that combustion is isolated to the outside of the trailer. As a result, windows donít need to be opened and unlike the common forced air or catalytic furnaces, water vapor (released during propane combustion) doesnít accumulate inside the trailer. One particularly cold day last winter it was 15F outside and the two heaters warmed the inside of the trailer to just under 70F. Note this was before much of the interior was installed.

Adding underfloor insulation will undoubtedly help the Dickinson as well (I added R19 in my 6Ē plenum). When we sleep in the backcountry on snow or glacial ice, Iíve found that having an adequate barrier below me is even more important than sleeping bag loft. I suspect this holds true for our trailers. Of course, our 1.5Ē thick walls and single pane windows donít help the cause but most arenít interested in winter airstream camping (and down jackets arenít cost prohibitive).

Of note, neither of the above heaters warm waste water tanks so I added electric heating pads under each of my tanks. I still need to add heating pads to the pipes connecting the tanks. The downside of these is their 4.1A/pad current draw which may limit the duration of time I can remain off grid during sub freezing conditions.

Hopefully my electrical plans have sufficiently accounted for this. In retrospect, it may be preferred to have a forced air furnace heat the tanks and pipes if one were to live in the trailer full time in sub freezing temperatures. I anticipate needing to concern myself with sub freezing temps at higher elevations 10,000í+ in the mountain west in the spring and fall. For now, I donít plan to use the trailer in the winter due to towing safety concerns.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:22 AM   #573
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Dale- Nice looking mini fireplace. Now I have a bit of Dickinson envy. Based on Atomic_13ís experience it will keep your Tradewind comfortable.

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Old 12-08-2019, 02:28 AM   #574
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Great to see it in action. Looks great!

Iíve noticed that as you add components to the inside of the trailer (reducing the cubic feet of air needed to heat) itís notably more effective. I suspect our trailers size itís about ideal for the temperatures most will be camping at. My experience thus far is positive but limited to warming my trailer during its renovation (not overnight camping).

As you know, I added a catalytic heater in the rear bathroom to warm that end of the trailer on particularly cold nights. This should also be nice during showers. The catalytic heaters require a window and vent to be slightly open to allow new O2 to enter the trailer. A common misconception is that itís to vent CO, which isnít true if all is functioning properly (keep them covered and dust free when not in use).

One is the pluses of our Dickinsons is that combustion is isolated to the outside of the trailer. As a result, windows donít need to be opened and unlike the common forced air or catalytic furnaces, water vapor (released during propane combustion) doesnít accumulate inside the trailer. One particularly cold day last winter it was 15F outside and the two heaters warmed the inside of the trailer to just under 70F. Note this was before much of the interior was installed.

Adding underfloor insulation will undoubtedly help the Dickinson as well (I added R19 in my 6Ē plenum). When we sleep in the backcountry on snow or glacial ice, Iíve found that having an adequate barrier below me is even more important than sleeping bag loft. I suspect this holds true for our trailers. Of course, our 1.5Ē thick walls and single pane windows donít help the cause but most arenít interested in winter airstream camping (and down jackets arenít cost prohibitive).

Of note, neither of the above heaters warm waste water tanks so I added electric heating pads under each of my tanks. I still need to add heating pads to the pipes connecting the tanks. The downside of these is their 4.1A/pad current draw which may limit the duration of time I can remain off grid during sub freezing conditions.

Hopefully my electrical plans have sufficiently accounted for this. In retrospect, it may be preferred to have a forced air furnace heat the tanks and pipes if one were to live in the trailer full time in sub freezing temperatures. I anticipate needing to concern myself with sub freezing temps at higher elevations 10,000í+ in the mountain west in the spring and fall. For now, I donít plan to use the trailer in the winter due to towing safety concerns.


Atomic_13- Thanks for the education. I am a bit confused though. How is it that combustion takes place outside the trailer when the flame is visible inside the trailer?

Thanks, Dan
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Good morning, Dan. On the P9000 and P12000 models of the Dickinson heaters the flame is isolated inside a box, similar to a wood stove. The chimney consists of two flexible tubes. The inner most tube is the exhaust. The outer tube serves as an air intake. A small computer fan (0.17A/49W per day) pushes air across the combustion chamber to heat the cabin. As a result the byproducts of combustion are isolated from the trailer. Therefore when LP is burned, CO2 and H2O are exhausted outside since a flame is not in contact with the trailerís internal airspace.
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Dan - The heater kept me more than comfortable the other day. Just for an experimental grin, I hooked up my Zamp 240 watt suitcase, fired up the heater and ran its fan all day, with all the interior lights on and the refrigerator running on the 12v setting. My cheap temporary battery, a Tractor Supply 12v AGM, started the day at 1/2 charge. By the end of the day, the battery was fully charged and the Tradewind was a veritable sauna. I wish I had the technical chops to tell this tale in numbers, but math and electricity have never been high on my list of strengths. Iíve just mimicked what others have done and prayed for good outcomes. So far it seems to be working.
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On a day (yesterday) that started out at 15 degrees and ended at 25 degrees, I got in a few good licks. The water heater plumbing was completed and the hot water line, cold water line and hot water return line were all run back to where the shower will be, with the bathroom sink feeds stubbed in along the way. Then the street side interior was mostly set in place in order to get a better idea of where to run the drain and vent lines, all of which will be dry fitted pending gray water tank placement. The shot of the closet shows the electrical box containing the 12v and 110v breakers and converter. The inverter is sitting above the electrical box on the closet shelf where it will be when it is out of its cardboard box and hooked up. The Dickinson heater performed admirably to keep me comfortable all day. A tip of the hat to Atomic_13 for his tips on insulation and the Dickinson.
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Very neat you can work on your Trade Wind on a cold winter day. The plumbing looks great. And the interior shots show the trailer coming together nicely.

You're not that far behind Atomic 13.

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Dale, looking great! Looks like youíll be up and running come spring!
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Iím really enjoying watching this come together. Nice and neat plumbing and happy to hear the heater is working out.
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