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Old 07-30-2018, 02:08 AM   #281
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I can't help either. No boxes are present in our '67.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:25 PM   #282
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I know. It is a secret storage compartment where a guy can stuff a bunch of thousand dollar bills.

Or they are high tech speakers using electromagnetic waves to transmit sounds perfectly.

Or they are catch basins in case a seam or rivet starts leaking rain water above them.

Maybe they were junction boxes for some wiring done years ago.

But actually, I really don't know.

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Old 08-09-2018, 04:48 PM   #283
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No boxes are present in our '67.
I seem to have forgotten what the inside of our Trade Wind looks like. We do have the boxes.
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Probably just extra reinforcement for the roof. I assume the opening is for the Air Conditioner...
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:40 PM   #285
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thinking about bathroom layout

I just clecoed the shower tub in place to envision the new bathroom. Thinking about sawing the bench off at right edge of the tub and building a cabinet with a sink in that space and placing the toilet in the right corner. Nice to have a blank slate to work with.
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The 1966 "airliner" bath design wasn't Airstream's best one. I think the "sink over tub" and console enclosed toilet was a carry over from the 65 and earlier trailers.

The bath design changed in 67 and is better in my view.

Building a sink vanity is what I did. I also located the toilet between the frame rails over my new black tank. I did install a tiny shower stall, and no tub. I have seen better bath designs on these forums. Mine works, but not fancy.

Clean sheet designs are fun, but there always seems to be constraints. Like that big rear window, or waste water tank locations, or the spherical ceiling.

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Old 08-13-2018, 09:02 PM   #287
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The 1966 "airliner" bath design wasn't Airstream's best one. I think the "sink over tub" and console enclosed toilet was a carry over from the 65 and earlier trailers.



The bath design changed in 67 and is better in my view.




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I actually like the 66 ďairlinerĒ bath design, with the console toilet and the huge bathroom cabinet as it packs so much stuff into a small space. I love having the area under the toilet console open to the rear hatch. This is where my two golf cart batteries are along with my 1,000 watt inverter and Victron solar controller and 12v panel. Everything is so accessible.

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You are right about the big cabinet in the bath for toiletries and clothes. You are right about the "one stop servicing" in the rear hatch. I think the bath in the 66 had a lot of floor space because of the bi-fold door, and the hidden toilet. When I went with a free standing toilet between the frame rails, I had to convert to a pocket door.

So yes, the 66 design has advantages. I think the changes in 67 made it even better.

My 75 Overlander bath isn't as handy in various areas. There is a big vanity under the big rear window. There is no hidden toilet, but there is a toilet seat and a very small hidden "clothes hamper" behind it. The wardrobe, or shelved closet (owner's choice) is about the same size. The overheads in the bath are big and hold a lot more stuff than my 66 toiletries cabinet. The tub is in the same location. But the shower is not too good. I will try to improve that a bit. There is very little room in the rear cargo compartment. The holding tank drain manifold is between the bumper and the body. There is fresh water plumbing lines in the rear of the trailer. The cargo compartment is about a foot deep, that is all.

Okay, back to Slats and his 66. I'll stay quiet.

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Waiting for the electricial or someone like him

Before moving on to today's topic, I need to take a bow to Touring Dan, whose advice I ignore at my peril. I really appreciate his straightforward no nonsense approach to all things Airstream. He reminds me of Emerson's definition of common sense - genius in working clothes. It is good to have someone around to ground me when I take off on my flights of fancy.

That said, I did something somewhat practical today. I built a little cabinet for my new Inteli-Power AC/DC Distribution Panel Converter/Charger. I decided to make it out of cedar, both because it is light weight and, being in the closet, will discourage moths and like critters from settling in. I attached it to the interior wall by buck riveting aluminum angle brackets to the wall at the top and bottom of the cabinet. I used rivet washers to guard against the rivets popping out from road vibrations. Pics below.


Also below are pics of my street side insulation and interior wall progress. It is mostly in place with clecos at this point and I have left the overheard wire runs exposed pending a visit this Monday from my electrician, a guy who comes highly recommended and who does both boat and rv electrical systems. He is going to drop by to assess my wire runs and to see about hooking everything together.
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Electrician sprinkled holy water

Dale Mitchell of Baldwin Kansas dropped by today, looked over my wire runs and said to go ahead and insulate over them and install the walls and ceiling. He will be back after that to help me hook everything up. He suggested two marine deep cycle 12v batteries instead of golf cart batteries.



Progress pics below.
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Looking good.

I may have missed it from one of your previous posts, but what glue did you use to put up the reflectix? and rock wool?

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I used 3M spray adhesive for both. It comes in two strengths, #77 (red can) and #90 (green can). Use the #90. It is only a couple of bucks more, and well worth it. The cheapest I have found it is at Lowes.
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Hi: I have always understood golf cart 6v batteries have more energy stored in them than the 12v deep cycle batteries. Boondockers like the 6v battery power packs. I did install an AGM group 27 battery in my Overlander as it is a "vent less" battery and I wanted the battery weight over the front of the trailer, not the rear. There are now lithium ion batteries starting to appear with more power, and much more cost.

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Hi: I have always understood golf cart 6v batteries have more energy stored in them than the 12v deep cycle batteries. Boondockers like the 6v battery power packs. I did install an AGM group 27 battery in my Overlander as it is a "vent less" battery and I wanted the battery weight over the front of the trailer, not the rear. There are now lithium ion batteries starting to appear with more power, and much more cost.



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I am with David on the preference for golf cart batteries over 12v deep cycle batteries. Did he provide a reason for his preference?

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His background (30+ years) is in electrical power systems for large boats, the kind folks stay on for extended periods of time. A friend of mine whose boat he had rewired recommended him to me.



His reasoning was much the same as the reasoning for why we don't use automotive batteries in Airstreams, in that their intended use is to provide a surge of power to start an engine, not to store energy. He said the golf cart batteries, although they may also serve well to store energy, are mainly intended to power big electric motors, whereas the primary purpose for a marine battery is simply to store energy.



Now, I admit that I haven't done any independent research on this, but it sounds like common sense. At least to me.



So much for batteries. Yesterday I finished putting most all of the insulation in Hal (our Tradewind's nom de plume). With the exception of that last little section in the rear, where I still need to rearrange the taillight etc. wiring by moving it to the other side south of the new electrical box.
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His reasoning was much the same as the reasoning for why we don't use automotive batteries in Airstreams, in that their intended use is to provide a surge of power to start an engine, not to store energy. He said the golf cart batteries, although they may also serve well to store energy, are mainly intended to power big electric motors, whereas the primary purpose for a marine battery is simply to store energy.



Now, I admit that I haven't done any independent research on this, but it sounds like common sense. At least to me.



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I'm sorry, this makes little 'common' sense to my electrical engineering-trained mind. ANY battery is designed to store energy and release it as needed. Golf cart batteries are designed to store energy in fairly large quantities (Amp-hours) and put that energy out at reasonable rates, not like engine start batteries.

The other thing a golf cart battery is well-designed to handle is the violent vibration and the harsh temperature environment in an on-road vehicle. Marine batteries are not designed to handle the violent "rolling earthquake" that is an Airstream under way.

The other issue I have is that parallel 12 volt batteries are not as easy to maintain as two 6-volt batteries in series. Two golf cart batteries in series will have a greater amp-hour capacity than the typical 12 volt ones in the same space. Heck, they weigh a lot more, than a similar size 12 volt battery, which indicates a lot more lead in them--which directly translates to greater capacity.

Even in Marine systems I have worked on, the usual large yacht systems are rather huge batteries consisting of multiple cells in series adding to the desired voltage. They tend to be dual purpose, having thinner plates, and more of them, to produce the heavy surge needed to crank big diesel engines. They also have deep plates, to handle heavy amp-hour capacity for the other dc power uses on the boat. Last setup I worked on (70 footer, twin GM diesels) had two full sets of these monsters, and a setup to switch them to either engine to assure enough cranking power. GM V12-71 supercharged marine engines take a lot to crank them... Typically these batteries sit on a rather huge battery charger from shore power, the auxiliary generator and it's alternator, or an equally big alternator on each main engine. The electrical panel was a bunch of meters and switches to manage this mess...

And Yes, my Airstream has a deep and long plastic aftermarket battery box on the A-frame, with two Sam's Club GC-2 6 volt batteries in it. And they weigh about as much as I can barely lift with two hands and a golf cart battery lift strap. I just replaced those beasts over the weekend after five years of use.
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You certainly make a convincing argument. I am reminded of clients of mine who thought common sense was at odds with my legal advice. I guess I have more in common with them than I would like to think.
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It all depends on your area of expertise. Legal matters that are outside my engineering experience are a mystery to me. I know where my knowledge runs out.

If we're talking home improvement, plumbing, electrical power systems, mechanical stuff, or woodworking, radios, or computers, I'm right there.

And we won't talk about my total inability to convincingly dance, or do team sports...(wry grin)
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I find what minimal solace I can in the fact that Wally Byam was a lawyer.
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There has to be a engineer, lawyer, and Airstreamer joke here somewhere. Anyone want to start us out?

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