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Old 01-11-2021, 07:48 PM   #21
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Hi PA: Yes, I modified my Trade Wind to my liking. I didn't like the bi-fold door as it took up too much floor space in the bath. Since I moved the toilet forward to access a larger black tank, I converted the bifold door to a pocket door taking up much less floor space. Thus the longer bulkhead wall on the street side. There is a black tank vent pipe between the walls on that side that limited the travel of the door.

I also made the sleeping surfaces wider and higher for new mattresses and more comfort. My aisle between the bed got pretty narrow, but I sleep a lot more than I walk that aisle. I can shuffle a bit with one foot ahead of the other. The Trade Wind shuffle we call it.

I'm not artistic by any means. But it all worked out for us. Here is my granddaughter in the Trade Wind. She liked it.

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Old 01-13-2021, 06:23 PM   #22
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Black tank plumbing diagram and ??

So a few strange things about the black tank:


1) Placement. It is on the curb (passenger) side while pretty much all dump stations and full hook-ups sites have are on the street (driver's side)
2) It has a 2" outlet hole. This is quite small.


I was able to salvage the Thetford brass attachment plate under the black tank by getting three of the four 1/4"/20 screws out and tapping the fourth for 5/16". I have figured out how to adapt to modern plumbing.


I plan to run a 3" ABS or PVC pipe under the trailer belly pan after coming off the brass plate with a 45 degree elbow (from the exact spot where the original valve was located, just under the tank). In theory, this will increase the (relatively) small fiberglass tank's holding capacity by a few gallons. I will then put the Valterra dump valve on the street side of the trailer, somewhere close behind the tire.


In theory, this would protect the valve a bit, as it is closer to the tire and further front from the bumper and it will have more ground clearance. It will also place the dump valve on the "proper" side of the trailer.


When putting deodorizer in the tank, how will it work with addition of the underbelly pipe? Would I have to sacrifice that capacity anyway by filling the pipe with water until the water reached the bottom of the actual tank to make the deodorizer effective? Or would its sweet smelling power just rise with the contents as it worked its way toward the actual tank?


See diagram. Interesting how I really drew a wide body here. But I think it gets the point across.
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:04 PM   #23
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3" drain pipe is the modern standard. I think smaller restriction will end up clogging. It might be you don't have enough water head pressure to flush that long drain pipe. Maybe being at the rear of the trailer may raise concerns of having it scraped off exiting a inclined driveway.

I use a "Tank Buddy" macerator by Thetford. It is a garbage disposal of sorts for the black tank. It liquifies everything and pumps it 25' in a small, flexible hose. I rinse the hose with my grey water. I got it because some campground sewer connections are higher than the drain pipe on our low slung Airstreams. The water powered Sewer Solution is another option that doesn't require 12v power and works well.

Any chance you can eliminate that above floor tank and configure a under floor tank? My 66 Trade Wind owners manual talked about digging a "gopher hole" under the drain pipe and then burying the waste. The way our trailers worked back then is not acceptable these days. Here is a photo of the black tank out of the Trade Wind. Woefully inadequate in my view. Only 3" deep at the deep end. I installed a modern waste tank system that worked well.

You'll come up with something.

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Old 01-17-2021, 10:48 AM   #24
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Hello There!

I was pleasantly surprised to find your thread today. This is my first time posting on the forum too. I also have a 1961 double twin Tradewind (I purchased in September and likely paid more than I should have); however, the bathtub is combined with the toilet area. Ours was 95% original (previous owner added a water heather) and we hope to keep it aligned to the era but fix/clean/update what we can. I am excited to follow your work and learn from it since the other owners I met so far with these trailer are camping in them with having to do little work as of yet. I am trying to do more work now on the front end with my dad and Uncle. I have little girls too and I am excited about them growing up in the trailer with me and their grand parents (haven't gotten my husband into camping yet but that is a work in process).

Here are a few photos and we hope to start the larger projects and drop the belly pan once the weather warms up in the next couple months. We really hope the fridge works but heard it might not. We will be camping in a pop up in 2021 as we have been for many years but hope to be out in the TW in 2022.

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Old 01-17-2021, 01:52 PM   #25
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Hello There!

I was pleasantly surprised to find your thread today. This is my first time posting on the forum too. I also have a 1961 double twin Tradewind (I purchased in September and likely paid more than I should have); however, the bathtub is combined with the toilet area. Ours was 95% original (previous owner added a water heather) and we hope to keep it aligned to the era but fix/clean/update what we can. I am excited to follow your work and learn from it since the other owners I met so far with these trailer are camping in them with having to do little work as of yet. I am trying to do more work now on the front end with my dad and Uncle. I have little girls too and I am excited about them growing up in the trailer with me and their grand parents (haven't gotten my husband into camping yet but that is a work in process).

Here are a few photos and we hope to start the larger projects and drop the belly pan once the weather warms up in the next couple months. We really hope the fridge works but heard it might not. We will be camping in a pop up in 2021 as we have been for many years but hope to be out in the TW in 2022.

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Hello! Glad you found this thread...and thankful someone is interested in watching me through it! This will be our second Airstream restoration, but I have been camping in these wonderful travel trailers for over 45 years (since 6-days-old).


Really happy to see another fairly original 1961 TW. We weren't really looking for a TradeWind per se, but this one found us. I don't think we paid too much...but it really adds up when you start to realize how much needs redone/replaced. Many things I was hopeful would be re-usable are going to the scrap yard. At least it will be truly "ours" when we are finished. We watch our money well, and I am glad I can do much of the work myself, still, it adds up! Just today we went to pick up a used casement AC unit to install inside for our cooling needs. We are always happy to invest some $$ into an Airstream. They hold their value when done correctly and preserved well.



Your TW looks very nice indeed! Lynn did some research after we bought our double and started planning to turn it into twins and found that the bathrooms in twins are laid out differently than in the doubles. This was to add back some of the awesome storage lost by taking out the wall of closets and drawers for the second bed. That storage was added back into the bathroom.


Hoping to read your future thread and to learn from you. My parents were thrilled when they graduated from a pop-up to their first Airstream; a 1966 TW double. Dad never looked back, and I am carrying it forward.


Glad your girls are along for the ride...I am sure your hubby will come around! Cheers! Ben
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Old 01-17-2021, 07:13 PM   #26
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Greetings Oceana24: As posted above, I'm a Trade Wind fan. I think they are a very nice size. I've sold mine and now have a 75 Overlander 27'. It is also a twin (our preference) and a comfortable traveler. I was looking for a Trade Wind when I bought it, but none showed up in my searches. Oh well, I don't have any regrets.

Your trailer looks to be in pretty good original condition, but I just bet it needs a lot to make it a reliable and comfortable travel trailer.

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Looks like fun, and a lot of work. Will enjoy following this thread.
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