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Old 10-09-2018, 05:56 AM   #201
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Thanks, all. We've entered the best part of the renovation where each project is something you'll see from here forward. So much effort is hidden if you do it right.

Wayne I appreciate the suggestion for Boos oil with beeswax. I believe it contains mineral oil. I'm learning that tung oil (specifically, Waterlox) is also an option.

Regarding my brothers shop, you don't want to know... I turn green every time I enter it. Amazing place and amazing work is done there.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:53 AM   #202
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I decided to connect the new propane system I installed last fall to an LP tank and check for leaks. Would you believe with all these connections I didn’t find a single leak? Considering myself fortunate.

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This flaring tool was pricey but evidently worth it.

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Following the leak test I fired up the Dickinson heater and have been enjoying working on some odds and ends in a warm trailer.

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Old 10-14-2018, 08:55 AM   #203
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I look forward to seeing the 68 on Saturday. There are some very unique designs and product installations happening with Argosy's and Airstreams. Will be interested in hearing how you like the heater and amount of propane used. The suburban furnaces seem to be not eco friendly in many ways. We have a catalytic heater as backup in the 84, but it is not necessarily efficient using propane. It was in the 84 when we purchased it. The 84 originally was in Idaho. Finished the interior of the 76 Argosy, used it once already. Still need to paint exterior. See you on Saturday.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:06 PM   #204
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I had several leaks in my propane distribution systems I did for my old Trade Wind and the son's Globetrotter. Maybe my flaring tool isn't the greatest. Most of the leaks were tapered pipe joints where the flex hoses at the propane tanks connect to the system under the A frame. But I had leaky flare joints too.

Love the looks of that Dickinson "fireplace". Maybe the fan is used to blow the heat around. Does this thing have a thermostat. I assume it does somewhere.

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Old 10-15-2018, 10:19 PM   #205
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Lee, I hope to see your trailer. Perhaps this weekend?

David, the Dickinson has a small computer fan to circulate air around the fire box, much like a home wood stove would do. No thermostat is included on the heater. I added the small bus fan to improve air circulation throughout the cabin.

It’s always nerve racking to cut holes in nice things. Airstream skins and nice quality woodwork being on the same level. Nevertheless, I cut out the area in the new countertop for the cooktop. I opted for a Ramblewood GC2-43P (Lpg/Propane Gas) high efficiency 2 burner cooktop.

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I also installed the Olympian Wave 6 Catalytic heater. While it requires a small bit of ventilation to run, it’s a really nice unit. This warms up the bathroom. Should do a good job supplementing the Dickinson heater.

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Old 10-16-2018, 08:32 AM   #206
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Superb work. That is one classy looking cooktop.

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Old 10-16-2018, 08:54 AM   #207
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Great work , lots of good ideas to copy .LOL, Blue
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:00 PM   #208
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The Olympic Wave 6 is in my Overlander as the only source of heat aside from 120v electric. This catalytic heater works very well. Yep, you gotta crack a vent or window due to the moisture created by the heat process.

My son has the same heater in his Globetrotter 21'. He was in Minneapolis last week and said the heater worked great. He likes to boondock and this heater works well for him.

I like the 2 burner cooktop. This is likely what I will do in the Overlander as we just don't cook huge meals while traveling. We need to boil water for coffee, about the only cooking job I can do. A smaller cooktop will increase our counter space some.

Hey, be sure to put a curtain around that toilet so a guy can have a little privacy.

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Old 10-17-2018, 05:58 AM   #209
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Glad to hear your experiences about the catalytic heater. In addition to the moisture created during combustion I believe the window must also be kept open since its consuming oxygen while burning.

We opted for the two burner cooktop for the same reasons. I seldom use three burners at home.

Regarding the bathroom curtain, I like the view and so may those passing by. (just kidding)
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:54 PM   #210
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Nothing like a full moon over the campground from a 68 Trade Wind.

I don't think the catalytic heaters burn anything. It is a chemical process of propane over the "catalysts" that generates the heat. I don't know the chemistry involved. Maybe I should google it. I think of those hand warmer pouches I buy for winter outdoor activities. Squeeze them to mix the chemicals and wallah. Heat without fire.

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Old 10-17-2018, 08:36 PM   #211
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Catalytic heaters consume oxygen and propane, and do burn the fuel. Just at a much lower temperature because of the catalyst in the pad.
To see this, just light one in cold weather. You get some flame until the catalyst warms up. They and you need fresh air to keep going. Just because it’s not super hot does NOT mean that oxygen is not being consumed to burn the propane. Keep fresh air coming in.
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Getting your hands to connect successfully with what's in your mind is always a great moment... Share that, and it becomes a lesson for others. This thread has many teachings and inspirations. You're doing a great job.

I've had that same cook-top in the GT for five years. It's built and finished as well as any Gaggenau, Dacor, Viking… I secure the grate and burners with an elastic for travel. The bigger stove burner is twice the BTU of my Cozy Cabin Marine Heater. Ten quarts of simmering fish head stew might out-perform the heater.

The Bulkhead Heaters warm adequately. They're quiet and economical. They fit a cabin aesthetic, and provide the romance of fire to huddle around. Can be LPgas, diesel oil, wood… I like mine very much. No complaints. The Dikenson Twelve Hundred has great features.


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Old 10-18-2018, 05:59 AM   #213
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Thanks! I really like shock cord system you’ve designed for the cooktop. In fact, it was your work/trailer that lead me to purchase that cooktop.

My IKEA sink and faucet should arrive today. I hope the following will fit the space and aesthetic I’m going for:

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Once the final holes are cut in the countertop, I’ll lightly raise the grain, sand, and then apply 3-4 coats of Waterlox original sealer/finish to produce a medium sheen appearance (75°gloss level when finished; fades to a 50-55° gloss level in 3-6 months). Waterlox is a 90% tung oil, wipe on, penetrating finish that will make the top highly water resistant. If the countertop is scratched it can be reapplied at any point later to repair it. Initially, the tung oil will be applied to both sides the prevent the countertop from cupping. A thin but large cutting board will be used for food prep/hot pan resting.

Regarding, fly rod/reel storage and display I’ve reserved the curb side ceiling just aft of the doorway for this. I’m leaning towards two vertical walnut strips cut to the curvature of the ceiling with notches for four fly rods. Perhaps braided fly line will secure them. My featherweight 12’ Japanese tenkara rod I use for light and fast backpacking trips will remain at the ready but not deployed. I’m close to finishing a custom finger-jointed cypress and wenge wood box made for fly tying supplies. It will need a special storage location as well.
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:29 PM   #214
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When Aluminuminum awards a blue ribbon for your project and thread, well, that's about a good as it gets. Both of your trailers will be very special indeed.

rmkrum got me researching catalytic propane heaters. I have one in the Overlander, and my son has one in his Globetrotter. Yep, there is burning at start up to heat the platinum catalyst. My experience shows this burning lasting a few seconds. Yep, the chemical process does use oxygen just like burning, but for a chemical reaction instead. Here is a link to what I found on google.

"Catalytic heaters generate heat through a flame-less catalytic reaction involving propane and oxygen. This is different from infrared radiant heaters, which generate a flame during the combustion process. The catalytic heater generates heat by bringing the propane and oxygen (air) into contact with a platinum catalyst."

https://www.campingworld.com/olympia...-safety-heater

My son says it is an economical way to heat his trailer. The heater uses very little battery power. It is much more efficient than a typical RV forced air furnace, and cheaper to boot. But 6000 btu capacity is far less than a typical RV furnace.

I'm ready to learn all about these heaters as I know little. Atomic 13 wants to keep his bathroom warm on chilly Colorado mornings.

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Catalytic heater’s do work well, but you need some makeup air to replenish the oxygen they use. I’ve used them, and modern ones are safer, but it’s still using oxygen. Just have to be aware of that fact and act accordingly.
In any case, occupants and heater will dump water vapor into trailer, and that needs a bit of ventilation as well to avoid condensation.

Note that the blurb on that Olympian states “vented area only” as I would expect. Also note that it works “ up to 12000 feet” above which the oxygen depletion sensor fails to work properly. It’s a good heater if used properly.
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Thanks rmkrum: Even an old geezer like me likes learning new things now and then. Atomic 13 will have to plant some trees in his Trade Wind bathroom to replenish the oxygen used by the heater.

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Heh, David, I also qualify as an “old geezer”. Dear daughter refers to me as the “Worlds oldest computer geek”, and unfortunately the label fits perfectly.

I’ve been doing computer stuff since the days of mainframes and Hollerith cards. Gracie Hopper was a friend of the family...and I never learned COBOL, but am one of those Dinosaurs that speaks it fluently. Still working in computer security stuff.
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Geezers or not, you both are valuable contributors to airforums. [emoji4]

Sink and faucet arrived and were installed this evening.

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With all cutting now finished on the countertop I’ll disassemble it all and finish it with Waterlox this week.

The four washboards I ordered are in so between coats on the countertop I’ll work out how to incorporate theses elements into the galley doors.

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Looks great ,
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Thanks. Counter looks great, BTW
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