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Old 09-30-2006, 09:14 AM   #21
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white paint.....

I've read that Wally was contemplating the Argosy line back in the '60's. What you have is one of his orginal prototypes for the line. Very valuable. I would restore the orginal white/creme paint for all Argosy owners to admire.



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Old 09-30-2006, 03:21 PM   #22
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Lol

Marc..I actually had that thought of fear cross my mind for a brief second, that this was an Argosy someone wanted to make into an airstream!
So your comment made me crack up.

I put all the appliances and fixtures that I don't need in the classified section. I am a bit farther along than the thread implies at this point. Will update with more pics this weekend.

My feet in this pic are at least 12 feet above trailer. We made it up though without hitting the hitch, but I did drag one of the skid things for about 2 feet as the trailer turned up into the drive.
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Old 09-30-2006, 03:33 PM   #23
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Moderator Help

Ok, so this is a bit embarrassing, but since there are 2 moderators on this thread who now know I have a 1962 Tradewind instead of a 1961.....
Can either of you..and would you, please change the name of my thread to correctly reflect this?


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Old 09-30-2006, 04:17 PM   #24
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Not embarassing at all now that it reads correctly.

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Old 09-30-2006, 07:45 PM   #25
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Nice!

Craig, love the pictures, and your TW. 1961 or 1962, either way its all good, and now you know for sure and your thread title is fixed. I love the storage cabinets you have above the gaucho. And you have the original sink covers. The white paint is a curious thing. I noticed your Humprhey lamp streetside forward of the galley. That was an International option but I don't see an I in front of your S/N indicating an International. The original owner must have custom optioned it. And your galley counter isn't angled like the examples at the vintageairstream.com site. Might be because yours is a CA, not an OH model. One more example of how we've seen so many differences in comparing trailers. It just amazes me how distinctive each of these old Airstreams are. So cool.

Keep us posted and let us know of any other unique things you find.
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Old 09-30-2006, 07:56 PM   #26
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Hey Brad, I just noticed. Craig's forum title is correct at his beginning post of this thread, but still says "1961" on the portal. Any fixes?
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:20 PM   #27
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Craig's forum title is correct at his beginning post of this thread, but still says "1961" on the portal. Any fixes?
All better now ~

Congrats on your cool '62! Enjoy ~

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Demolition Day one...

To actually start with, I ordered a new axle and electric brakes a few days after purchasing the trailer. I took it down to the trailer place, they looked at what I had, which is a type of "flex" axle (my ignorance is showing, but there were no leaf springs or shocks), and I could either go with 3500lb axle or 6000lb as a replacement. Well, I went with the 6000. I know this is overkill. The weight of the trailer is 3130 dry. Once we pack all the kids stuff in and after renovations, It will exceed 3500. I also went with a greater start angle to give me about 3-4 more inches of lift.
So, this may have been my first rookie mistake. Now that I am better educated, I'm doubting whether this was the original axle to begin with. Well, it hasn't been installed yet, so please critique.

While waiting for it on order, I started to demo the back.
  • Deciding where to start.
  • What's under here?
  • Still gotta remove the plumbing.
  • Good enough for day one.
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Some suprises...

(spelling correctly is optional, right?)

So I went to remove the plumbing and found this...
  • Pic 1 shows both skid rails at seen from the left one. I always thought it was weird that this left one was doubled !?!
  • Pic 2 shows why. This is where the PVC pipe from the shower/sink came thru, right through a removed section of frame. I don't think AS did this, but whoever did, apparently tried to stiffen the gap up by adding the second skid. It didn't work, as the frame that extends to the rear bumper after this patch is at a noticeable different angle than the frame in front of the patch. I'll get a better pic once the belly pans are off.
  • Pic 3, the framework for the curb-side pullout is partially rotted and crumbled as I tried to remove it.
  • Pic 4, same general area. The shower is straight ahead past that wall, the curb-side access panel is on the left. The floor right there is, not too surprisingly, quite soft.
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Curbside pullout and Refridgerator Cabinet Day

In one of the closets is the fuse box and what's left of the original electrical diagram. As you can see, by the close-up, I have a 1962 24ft Tradewind Double. Why didn't I see this before? I could've avoided a bit of confusion even before I got to the interpreting the VIN. But, here again is more definitive evidence! I think that horse is dead now.

Ok, so the curbside pull out came out quick. The frame near the wall was rotted, but the front part is in decent shape, as is the drawers. I am going to try and still incorporate this somehow in the final interior. Not the pull-out part, but these original drawers.

The refridgerator cabinet took a bit more time to remove. Had to disconnect everything, propane lines, electrical, thermostat, the heater is in there too, the vent, etc. Violins please.
  1. Second note - all the appliances I'm not using are in the classifieds.
  2. This is the cabinet upon which I really learned how to get closets and cabinets correctly out. This knowledge was needed when removing things I wanted to keep in good shape, like the galley. So I posted another thread with pics and stuff for Newbies like me in the General Interior Forum. I found the info in a bunch of places in the forums and just wanted to put it all together for the next guy.
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Craig, you've got some great pics and I'm sure many are appreciating your thread. You're cabinet and closet removal thread has good info too. Keep it coming . . . . I for one may need to revisit these things one day. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Gaucho removal day

One of the easier days, with the exception of the galvanized water tank. I like to try to keep it to 4 pics at a time....
  • The thin paneling type wood for the mattress to rest upon was really brittle, but the drawers and framework are good. Plan to refinish those and that will serve as the base of the triple bunk to be located in the rear where the bath/shower was.
  • This framework was only screwed into the flooring and the aluminum L-shaped, curved thing you can see along the walls in pic #4. I know there's a name for that, but it eludes me. So this was easy to remove.
  • At both ends of the galvanized tank, the flooring section is quite soft from H20 leaks (from the pumps, not the tank itself)
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Now for the tank..

2 electric pumps I found. The first was disconnected, but still left in it's spot. I thought originally you'd fill the tank, then pressurize it with an outside source at the filler neck. So then both these pumps are from subsequent "upgrades". Someone else knows for sure.
The filler neck has to be removed, here's the hardware. It's nice heavy metal.
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..and then a bit more.

Then...
  • Underneath, the tank drain-pipe looked like you could unscrew the 90 degree section to lift the tank out, but no dice. Using a cheater bar and everything, that thing wouldn't budge. So, out came the sawzall and I just cut it off.
  • There are 4 steel footings on the tank. The 2 fore footings are not screwed in per se. A couple of pieces of wood, like 1x2x6, were screwed into the floor and then these footing were slid underneath those.Then, the 2 aft ones are screwed in with the big screws you see in pic#2.
  • I still couldn't get it out because the filler neck still was extending out the front and I still had the drain-pipe sticking out below. Though both of these sections were straight, they wedged in the tank very well. So I had to finally just cut the filler neck at the tank (it refused to screw out as well).
Now, it's out. I am going to pick the cleanest and best example original tile and save it for framing or something. The Galley is next.
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Craig,

The two electric water pumps: the one on the left is actully a compressor for pressurizing the tank. Apparently the tank sprung a leak or wouldn't hold pressure and the PO replaced it with a diaphram pump. The compresser does the same thing the Schraeder air valve does that you are holding in your hand. You pressurized the tank at a filling station using oily air, or you ran the Grover compressor if you were in the field.
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Craig,
I was just notice your post about your 62 Tradewind...looked alot like my trailer. The I notice your VIN number, 24 DS S0822. Mine is 824! I guess that makes them cousins or something!
I am also doing a full remodel, and the one big surprise I found was that my frame was shot. Bend right over the old axle. So I had to build a new frame from scratch. Hopefully you don't have this problem. Let me know if I can help. Time to head to the shop, have to put the new belly pan in!

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Mark - I knew you'd know. Thanks! The first compressor one was leaking oil and it stank, like how brake fluid smells when it's bad.

Rob - What's up cuz'? Did you see on an earlier post of mine that someone else out there has 0829? Strange how the 3 of use likely had our trailers sitting in the factory together. I have to pull off the inside lower panels, then I can drop the belly pans and see what the frame looks like (fingers crossed). Did you have to bend over the aluminum from the U-Channel as well? I assume you did..... any advice?

Also - anyone Tradewinders got ideas on that part of the frame cut out for the plumbing (see top of this page - post #29). Were yours like that too?
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My frame was not cutout to the severity of yours. It has a small cut in it appr. 1/2" if I remember correctly. I don't think that was a factory set-up. Probably a PO installation and the loops were his way of strengthening the frame. Was the drainage plumbing that you took out a plastic or metal? Mine was cast iron and weighed a ton.

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Yeah, plastic. Doesn't make sense to cut thru a steel frame and have to weld on an extra support skid for a plastic pipe. But vision is 20/20 thru the retroscope. That's why the forum is great, someone will rightfully tell you not to do something wrong before you do it.
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Craig,

My frame was also cut that much for the rear plumbing, over half way up the frame. Which caused some major rear end sag. As for the belly pan, mine came off pretty easy seeing I did a frame off. Once you take many hours drilling rivets, then lift the body off, there is not much left to get in your way! Seeing the plywood was rotted, the belly pan was trashed, and the frame was bent I din't have to mess with it much after that. Just savaged all the good cross members from the old frame to install in the new frame.

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