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05-06-2020, 07:32 AM
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#201
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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One More Box and one more challenge !
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05-07-2020, 04:37 AM
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#202
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4 Rivet Member
1956 22' Safari
1962 28' Ambassador
Williston
, Vermont
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 493
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Designs and drawings are great, but for one-offs, nothing beats a prototype. Looks like things are going well, can't wait to see it all together. - Mark
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05-13-2020, 08:03 AM
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#203
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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3 Boxes and no more
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05-14-2020, 04:18 AM
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#204
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4 Rivet Member
1956 22' Safari
1962 28' Ambassador
Williston
, Vermont
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 493
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Dinette Design
You are building exactly what I have in mind for my Ambassador. I'll be watching closely and stealing many ideas I am sure.
Maybe you can help me with some design elements I have been struggling with; - How many people will be able to comfortably eat at the table?
- Looks like the table will collapse into a bed, where will all the cushions come from?
- How are you planning to access the under seat storage?
- Just curious, how many gallons is your fresh water tank?
You are building a beautiful and unique trailer, it's going to something to behold when it's done. - Mark
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05-14-2020, 05:39 AM
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#205
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Thanks for the updates and photos. Are you keeping track of all the weight you are adding with that 3/4" [?] plywood, especially at the front of the trailer? Its impact on tongue/hitch weight could be significant IMO.
Peter
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05-15-2020, 06:47 AM
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#206
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Weight distribution
Quote:
Originally Posted by OTRA15
Thanks for the updates and photos. Are you keeping track of all the weight you are adding with that 3/4" [?] plywood, especially at the front of the trailer? Its impact on tongue/hitch weight could be significant IMO.
Peter
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That is a very good observation. I have been concerned with weight distribution in the trailer more so in the back than front. However to answer your specific question. Plywood has a weight of approximately 60-70 pounds per sheet. I used the average of 65#. After measuring the total sq footage and using the weight factor the total weight of the front settee is approximately 93# . I do not think this will impact the tongue ratio at all since this will offset the amount that is behind the rear axel.
Most of the construction of the "boxes" share walls or sides which does not reduce the rigidity, but saves weight.
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05-15-2020, 07:45 AM
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#207
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Answers
Quote:
Originally Posted by steinVT
You are building exactly what I have in mind for my Ambassador. I'll be watching closely and stealing many ideas I am sure.
Maybe you can help me with some design elements I have been struggling with; - How many people will be able to comfortably eat at the table?
- Looks like the table will collapse into a bed, where will all the cushions come from?
- How are you planning to access the under seat storage?
- Just curious, how many gallons is your fresh water tank?
You are building a beautiful and unique trailer, it's going to something to behold when it's done. - Mark
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Thanks Mark...
*We are subscribing to the 642 Rule- 6 for drinks 4 for dinner and only 2 of us for sleeping.
*Fresh water tank from VTS and it is approx. 32 gal.
*See 642 rule... However I am preparing for that contingency. Just have not figured out the logistics of cushions and how big.
If you see where the drill is pointing...the seat will have a piano hinge and a spring arm to hold the lid open for easy access.
On the back rest (blue tape)this will have a piano hinge and magnetic clips to allow full access to storage behind the back. The side seats will have lift out covers.
Full access to back.
Attachment 367910
I had a piece of walnut laying around that will work nicely as a little junk catcher behind the seat back.
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05-16-2020, 04:39 AM
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#208
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4 Rivet Member
1956 22' Safari
1962 28' Ambassador
Williston
, Vermont
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 493
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Thanks, that helps. My original design didn't have your walnut shelf, but will now. I also like the 6-4-2 rule. I think the Safari was a 4-(tight 4)-3 and what we would really like is a 6-4-(occasional 4) size, hence the ambassador rebuild.
One last question, what dimensions are you planning for the table? Thanks - Mark
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05-16-2020, 05:33 AM
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#209
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by islandtrader
That is a very good observation. I have been concerned with weight distribution in the trailer more so in the back than front. However to answer your specific question. Plywood has a weight of approximately 60-70 pounds per sheet. I used the average of 65#. After measuring the total sq footage and using the weight factor the total weight of the front settee is approximately 93# . I do not think this will impact the tongue ratio at all since this will offset the amount that is behind the rear axel.
Most of the construction of the "boxes" share walls or sides which does not reduce the rigidity, but saves weight.
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Thanks for the details . . . sounds good!
Peter
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05-18-2020, 08:31 AM
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#210
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steinVT
One last question, what dimensions are you planning for the table? Thanks - Mark
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Not sure but looking at something approx. 24x3*
The width in-between the settee is 48 inches.
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05-18-2020, 04:24 PM
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#211
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4 Rivet Member
1967 26' Overlander
Alpine
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 303
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Looks great Trader !
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05-19-2020, 08:27 PM
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#212
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Fun things
Some times you just have to take a break from the job and do some fun things.
Fabed some pie shape fillers for the back of the settee. Not as good as joyflea...but it works here.
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05-31-2020, 09:03 AM
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#213
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Assemble-Disassmble
The settee is now all finished and assembled! Now I have to dis-assemble, pickle wash the wood and shoot clear coat over the top and then assemble. The good part is that it does not take too long to assemble . Spraying the clear is what I am not looking forward to.
Used piano hinges for the seat back and front. Since these will be covered by cushions I was not concerned about look only function.
Used simple chain and magnetic catch to open and stay shut.
Made some corner enhancements.
Back side of the bracing of the of the seat.
Next project is to finish up the galley area and plumbing.
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06-04-2020, 07:06 PM
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#214
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Assemble
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06-12-2020, 08:20 AM
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#215
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Sink/Stove
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06-14-2020, 03:42 PM
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#216
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Trend Setter!
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06-14-2020, 04:52 PM
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#217
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4 Rivet Member
1968 24' Tradewind
1968 26' Overlander
Detroit
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 467
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Always good to be one step ahead of the mothership. Keep up the good work.
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06-29-2020, 07:10 AM
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#218
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Hot!
Even though the heat index here in south west FLA is over 110 we have a big fan and working in the shade is tolerable.
Got the inside walls shaped and ready to white wash and then clear coat. Hopefully the Aluminum channels that are back ordered will show up soon so I can secure things and move on. Also got the Aluminum legs back from the welder and now the bath sink and counter area is secure.
If any one out there has any ideas or pictures for making a light weight barn door for the bath area, please post them here.
Used the tried and true method for getting the curve right
Traced out on card board first and then trimmed that a few times to be close
Fit is good and now waiting for the channel
Simple aluminum pipe legs do the job.
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06-29-2020, 09:01 AM
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#219
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Rivet Master
1966 22' Safari
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Fredericksburg
, Texas
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 2,936
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Kent, you’re almost there. Everything looks neat and fits well. I want to thank you for the guidance on fiberglass. Though we have finished the 55 shower pan, will be awhile before installation due to our HVAC dilemma. I’ll get back on it later this summer. Concerning your sliding barn door, the 55 originally had one. I copied that and built another, but realized it was heavier than I wanted. I built another using 1/8” Baltic birch on each side with 3/16” white pine slats in between the birch. It came out ultra light weight. We purchased a top track attached to the structure with rollers that attached to the top of the door. The rollers are adjustable for height. Rolls real well. I did make a stained slat that I place on the bottom that keeps the door tightly shut in travel. No locking mechanism, just a handle. Let me know if that works for you and I’ll look up the track manufacturer and send pictures. Thanks again
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06-30-2020, 06:54 AM
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#220
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Caravanner
Don Pedro Island
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 613
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba L
I built another using 1/8” Baltic birch on each side with 3/16” white pine slats in between the birch. It came out ultra light weight. We purchased a top track attached to the structure with rollers that attached to the top of the door. The rollers are adjustable for height. Rolls real well. I did make a stained slat that I place on the bottom that keeps the door tightly shut in travel. No locking mechanism, just a handle. Let me know if that works for you and I’ll look up the track manufacturer and send pictures. Thanks again
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I remember seeing that on your build page...If you don't mind repost some pictures and the track mfg. here. I know when I looked at it I liked it, but could not figure out the track set up.
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