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Old 01-26-2008, 11:01 AM   #41
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water tank fill

Hi Frank
I have the same fill door arrangment on my Safari. Your original petcock is missing that has the schrader sp? air valve built into the petcock.

My exterior hose petcock fiting went into a large solid pipe inside and had a large rubber hose leading to the original metal (And pressurized) metal water tank.

When I removed the metal tank to replace it with a poly tank, I also installed a large and clear supply hose with a brass reducer to the new tank. I ran the vent from the tank to the schrader air valve at the inlet door. With the petcock hose fitting it takes awhile to fill with the hose volume set fairly slow. Otherwise it wants to bubble out of the vent valve.

I used it that way for a few years and then added a city water fill to my cold water drain line last spring. I also installed a backflow gate valve before the pump so the tank would not fill the tank and overflow out the vent.

I am out of state this weekend but can send photos and a diagram Monday. If you pm me your private email I can send the other photos of Wally hatch details and plumbing photos. I would do it here but forums will not accept my larger photo sizes. So only sending the older ones now.
Hope this helps.
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:10 AM   #42
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Just a few photos that I have now to help visualize........
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Old 01-27-2008, 06:40 PM   #43
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that is one big tank... This is the end of the tank with the fittings.
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The big one is the fill, the one next to it is the vent, one the bottom is the draw to the pump and the drain. Is that right? Is the drain large enough? I have seen fill connections that are for a hose and ones that are just openings. what do you all recommend?
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Old 01-27-2008, 06:48 PM   #44
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Looks tall

Frank,

With the wheel well in the back ground, that tank looks really tall. Or is it on end? That is one big tank!! My tank is puny compared as mine goes under the gaucho.... gives me a little tongue weight..

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Old 01-27-2008, 09:18 PM   #45
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Yes, that is a strange photo of the tank. But as you mention that is the end of the tank. I'm sure you have sized it for the space. My tank is located under the middle gaucho/bed and has a large fill inlet, the smaller vent inlet on top and the lower outlet for supply and a tee for a drain. Having two outlets gives you options for placement, etc.

As for the supply and other details please refer to my earier post.

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Old 01-28-2008, 04:19 AM   #46
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My tank is standing on end so that (A) I have more room to move around and (B) so that it would be easier to photograph. It is actually not as big as I would have liked, but it was a stock item and not a special order, so was able to save a lot of cash. It is 30 gallons. I am planning for it to sit under the street side twin, where the original tank was before a pervious owner removed it. Most of the tank sits directly above the gray tank below the floor. I have been at Charlie's RV looking at the various fill fittings and I do not see anything that looks right. The fittings that have a fill and vent connection are all plastic, and open so that it would be difficult to get into the compartment and fill them. Most of the hose connections are also very cheesy looking with lots of plastic. I just do not feel that plastic belongs on the skin of a classic Airstream. Can some of you post a photo of what you did for a fill connection?

Gary, How many gallons is that? Are you praying in the second photo? I see the gaucho front on the ground, are you praying it fits again? No, I am not making fun of you, just some light humor. Photos are great, I am a visual person so it helps me see what is being described.
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The replacement tank is from Inca Plastics Inc.

It is a 28 gallon standard size in their inventory Under 30 gallon tanks on the website. Part #2 (909) 923-3235

The guy in the photo is a friend and cabinetmaker. We replaced the wood base of the gaucho as it was pretty banged up. Like Rob and Colin, sometimes I must call in the professionals.

I will send photos of the new connection retrofits to your email if you want to private message it to me. Like I said before, I am having trouble with digital photos and sizing with new camera.

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Old 01-28-2008, 08:15 AM   #48
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I too have troubles with getting the photos to upload sometimes. It will take forever one day, and zip it right away the next. I export them from my Iphoto, this allows me to resize them to 600x 450. I export them to my desktop. I upload them onto the forum from there. Like I said some days it is fast, and some it takes all day.
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:21 AM   #49
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Garry,
here is a free, super-e-z method for resizing pics, if you have windoze xp:

download this, and install it: http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...ertoySetup.exe

once installed, you can quickly take a whole folder full of pics in widows explorer, highlight them all (edit>>select all), right-click, and you'll see the option to "resize pictures". a little menu pops up...select your options (I'd choose 800x600 or even 1024x768), and let 'er rip. In a few seconds, you'll have copies of all your photos that are 1/10th or smaller than the originals. Those should upload to the forums easily.

manually changing the pixel dimensions helps...but changing the "dots per inch" helps even more. If you were using a photo editing software, like photoshop, you can do both at the same time..but its cumbersome, especially if you have a bunch of pics. The re-sizer is meant just for this...performs both functions simultaneously, and you get a pic that fills the screen large enough so people can see detail...the whole reason we're posting pics here in the first place.

Which reminds me: Frank, I still don't quite get your TRS...got any diagrams?

What about my other ? about mouse-proofing the tank area? For this type of tank installation, with the type of tank that is sort of suspended by its "armpits", and hangs down beneath the belly pan area...should they not still be enclosed somehow? and how could that be accomplished?
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:52 PM   #50
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Chuck,
Thanks for the advice. I will give one photo a try and see if it fits through the tube. Downloaded VSO Resizer....

Frank,
I will take photos of parts in question tonight when camera returns and include them for your latest adventure.
This is the middle gaucho with tank inside. More details soon.
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P.S. looks like the resizer works!!!! Chuck is a GENIUS!
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Old 01-28-2008, 02:11 PM   #51
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The black frame tends to wash everything out. You are right it hangs by the main part of the tank. The first photo is of the bracket that keeps the tank from moving. The second picture is of one of the angle irons that hold up the side. I plan on making a cover that will enclose the entire area. As far as mice... mice go, where mice please. They are tiny little crafty critters, and can slide through very thin cracks. I am going to reward the ones that make it into the belly pan by having decon feeding stations for them. I haven't desided if they will be slide in drawers or be serviced by a hinged door. I think one forward and one aft should take care of it. The third picture is where the rubber grommet will go that feeds from the vanity and tub.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:47 PM   #52
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Hi Frank

Tryed to pm these photos to you but apparently one cannot do that.

Photos of tank connections including large fill that goes to large steel pipe at inlet housing.

Tank vent that also goes to schader valve. This has shut off where it changes from pex to copper.

Exterior door fill housing with petcock and schader valve.

And finally, supply and tee to drain out through floor. (photos may not be in order)
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one more

This did not make it on the last post.......
Just like your fill but including the schrader valve
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Old 02-09-2008, 03:34 AM   #54
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I am looking out a few weeks on the plumbing, but need to look at right now.... Today I have two friends lined up in two shifts to help me with putting the belly pan back together. I have done everything in there I think needs to be done. I am pretty sure I have all the materials on hand to button it up all the way around. The one thing that comes to mind though is the rivets that hold the belly to the frame underneath. Can anyone tell me the right size of these? I know they are a pop rivet and they are large suckers. I pulled out the Aircraft Spruce and began looking.... I see a CR9163-5-2 which is self plugging cherry rivet. There is also a "Q" type cherry rivet, AAPQ-42. I next went to Vintage Trailer Supply and they have a large flange pop rivet. Of these, which is best for me to use?
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I'd use VTS large ones

Frank,

I'd use the large rivets that Steve at VTS carries.
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I thought that Steve's rivets would work, I just notice that they look different than the ones that came out.... Trying to do it right the first time.
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I am using THESE. I think they are an "improvement" over the original.

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Old 02-26-2008, 03:07 AM   #58
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A question for someone.... how long is it advised to hold onto the old floor. It is in my studio in the way and the new floor is in. Can it go to the dump?

What about the old belly pan? How long should I keep that around? If I lived further away from people, I would just pile it up in the yard and let the snakes and bugs live under it. My wife is not too keen on that look for the yard, so maybe I will take it to the scrap metal yard and cash it in for a six pack.

Any thought on these two questions? Anyone need the rear two pieces of floor for a 1962? maybe ebay....
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Standing rule

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1 year is the standard rule... no seriously, Ebay it! Go get your six pack - that way Doug can add you to your protest!
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which protest is it this time? Being a longhair, protest is expected....
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