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Old 12-06-2008, 05:47 PM   #441
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Belly Pan Is Now Out...

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Old 12-08-2008, 08:33 AM   #442
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Dirty, sweaty, nasty work

I was challenged by Frank to take a picture of me, standing on the ground, through the frame of my Airstream, by 5 PM yesterday.

Mission accomplished.



The back 4' are out, and it was a lot of work to remove all of the elevator bolts and screws through the channel. But, all of it was necessary. I still need to remove the next 4', but most of the elevator bolts and channel screws have already been removed on that piece.

The floor was in such bad shape, that I made a template of the curves that I will use to transfer the measurements when I cut out the new subfloor in a couple of weeks.






Then I removed all of the elevator bolts by breaking them off from below using vice grips, and unscrewed the rusty channel screws. That took a lot of effort and a long time, but I persevered.

Next I made a length-wise cut through the last section, and removed the floor in two pieces:




And then you have this:



Lots and lots of frame rot. I'll need to replace three x-members and one broken outrigger. Does anyone know of a source for the outriggers and the perforated steel x-members?






And the broken outrigger:




I've been told that out-of-doors mart probably has the outrigger, would they also carry the x-members? I could use bent steel as a substitute, but I'd like to keep the perforated steel in at least one of the x-members in order to route some of the plumbing through it.

Now, to get the final 4' of subfloor removed, and then new steel to repair the frame!
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:51 AM   #443
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Marcus, I kknow Inland has the outriggers for the newer trailers, but they would have to be modified to work. If it were me, I'd get some angle iron and weld the broken outrigger to the frame using the angle iron as a bridge piece. Same thing with the bad crossmembers. If our Sovereign had a frame, that's how I would reattach the rotten outriggers and crossmembers.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:17 AM   #444
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Thanks Terry.

Two of the x-members are so far gone I won't even bother scabbing in supports, I'll just replace them with new material all the way across. I could use bent steel all the way across to do the same thing and it would be less expensive than replacing with the perf'd steel that is currently in there. For the third x-member, I probably could just weld in reinforcement angle at a couple of places and be done with it. And that's the one where I really need the perforation, for plumbing to come through.

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Old 12-09-2008, 08:08 AM   #445
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Marcus,

HERE are the ones that ODM carries. They are approx 5" longer than what you need but could be easily modified to fit your frame. Even if they were the correct length you would still need to cope the flanges to fit into the web of the main frame rails anyway. If you decide to get these, let me know... I can send you a drawing on how to modify the ends.

The other alternative would be to get some plate bent to a similar configuration... but these would be significantly heavier and would have no perforations for plumbing etc... If you go this route... ask for 14ga hot rolled steel.
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:20 PM   #446
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Marcus - glad to see your progress, mine should be progressing that direction soon, nice to see yours and what to expect.
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Steve-- thanks for the tip. I'd definitely like an outrigger that is close to correct, but for the x-members, some of that bent plate would probably work well in most of the areas I'm concerned about. I will need to think carefully about the plumbing to determine where I need the perforated steel, and where bent plate would work okay.

Scott-- Yes, I'm eagerly watching yours as well. I really like these 63s, the last in a fairly stable period from 58-63. Lots of changes were made in 64, and then even more in 66. Those are certainly good years too (interior bedrooms and galleys on 66-68 Internationals are probably my favorite of them all!), but like Frank, I am really drawn to these 58-63 trailers.
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I really like these 63s, the last in a fairly stable period from 58-63. Lots of changes were made in 64, and then even more in 66. Those are certainly good years too (interior bedrooms and galleys on 66-68 Internationals are probably my favorite of them all!), but like Frank, I am really drawn to these 58-63 trailers.
From decades of watching Detroit, I try not to get the first year of any new model or product. '64 was the first year of the univolt system, and '63 was the last year without. '63 would have the "latest and greatest" of the non-Univolt, so would be the most advanced of its era, "advanced" being a relative term.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:40 AM   #449
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'63 would have the "latest and greatest" of the non-Univolt, so would be the most advanced of its era
Sacrilegiously, I've heard the '63s referred to as the "Brain Tumor" trailers.

I think of them as the last of the legacy trailers.
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but for the x-members, some of that bent plate would probably work well in most of the areas I'm concerned about. I will need to think carefully about the plumbing to determine where I need the perforated steel, and where bent plate would work okay.
I will say, having used both, the formed perforated cross members are MUCH lighter and Much stronger.
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I think I've decided to use 4" channel (like the main frame rails) for the furthest aft x-member. It's significantly heavier, but stronger too. This is an area of constant failure for Airstreams of this vintage, so maybe I can help out a bit with some major reinforcement.

The next two x-members will be the formed and perforated style, just like original.

The outrigger has already been ordered.

Oh, and we had 0.2" of snow in Austin last night, which is quite rare.




I know that's not much to all of you yankee types, but it's considered to be quite a snowfall down here!

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I think I've decided to use 4" channel (like the main frame rails)
If your frame is 4" deep, the perforated cross members from ODM will not work... they are 5" deep.

When you shop for a channel, ask for a C4 x 5.4 (spoken as "C4 at 5.4")

BTW, up here in WI we've gotten nearly 2 feet of snow in the last 10 days.
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Thanks Steve-- do you like the idea of using the havy frame rail for the aft-most x-member?
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Old 12-13-2008, 07:01 AM   #454
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Thanks Steve-- do you like the idea of using the heavy frame rail for the aft-most x-member?
Not really needed... the bumper does that work... you don't want your "Aft" to get too heavy.
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Old 12-13-2008, 07:14 AM   #455
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Are you trying to tell me I have a big aft?
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There should be a metal shop or fabricating shop in your area. There are 2 in my small town of 18000 population.

They can take some sheet steel, of any thickness you like, and bend it into a suitable crossmember on their brake.

They can even cut lightening holes if you like.

This work is not too expensive at the right shop. You will need to give them precise dimensions and a drawing to go by.

The original parts were probably made this way at the factory.

If you can cut out the old piece and show it to them it's even better.
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Does this trailer make my aft look fat?
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:13 PM   #458
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For Terry:

Shocks...
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:16 PM   #459
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For you other folks...

Back 8' now out, and the trailer is on its way to the welding/fab shop.
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Yikes! You have a nice, slow pull to that welder I hope!

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