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RoccoJohn 09-02-2011 06:14 AM

Ford 150 EcoBoost power in Mountains
 
I posted this question yesterday in the wrong forum (On The Road) and got no replies - so here it is again, in I hope the correct forum.
I'm interested in knowing if the 2011 Ford 6 cylinder EcoBoost really is much better at pulling in the mountains than the previous 5.4 8 cylinder engines. The Ford "torture test" video and literature seem to indicate that the new 6 cylinder turbocharged engine is really superior, especially in torque going up hills, and I would like to hear from any of you that have actual experience towing with the EcoBoost in the mountains. Is the video all hype or is this EcoBoost engine really better suited for mountain towing?
Thanks

Aage 09-02-2011 08:27 AM

GaRoc,

Welcome to Airforums.com! You will find a wealth of information here on every subject that has to do with own and running an AS (Airstream) and selecting a TV (tow vehicle).

The search function (3rd from the right in the top dark blue bar) has many different options, but so far, I usually find that the Google version of it gives me the information I am looking for, and fast. Not to say that you shouldn't ask, but it's often a lot faster to get what you are looking for by checking there first.

For example, this thread says about everything on your subject, and lots of it twice. :D

I followed that thread, and in summary I would suggest that the majority members that replied, felt that the video is not "hype".

SteveH 09-02-2011 09:46 AM

I've studied all the published specs on the Ford Ecoboost, watched all the videos Ford has on line, and it is an impressive powerplant indeed.

To me, the most impressive thing is the 400 ft. lbs. of torque at 2000 RPM.

Typically, as gasoline engine gets maximum torque at 4000 RPM +,-.

The user reported fuel mileage while towing is good, but IMHO not outstanding. The real benefit in fuel mileage comes while running unloaded and not towing, and then only if you can restrain yourself from "putting your foot in it".

If I were considering a 1/2 ton pickup today for tow purposes, I would definately consider the Ford Ecoboost, but now weather it is worth the added cost?????

tpi 09-02-2011 09:55 AM

I gave very serious consideration to the Ecoboost. I believe it to have the best gas engine characteristics for towing right now. Many people on RV net and others have reported it will tow on hills in the 2000s RPM wise rather than the 3s, 4s, or 5k RPM most gas engines use for the working range.

I didn't buy it because it was too new. My experience and many reliability surveys show mature technology tends to be less problematic. Ecoboost is a great product for early adopters, or those who buy in to Fords advertising regarding durability testing.

tkasten 09-02-2011 11:30 AM

I too was very interested in the new Ford but choose to go with a Silverado w/ 5.3 and 6 speed trans. I am only pulling a 22' Safari. The extra $4000 for the ecoboost was not worth it to me. By all reports millage is still 11 -13 pulling and 22 w/o trailer. I get the 11 - 13 pulling w/ my Silverado and get 19 - 20 w/o.

SteveH 09-02-2011 11:31 AM

I agree with you, tpi, and also I think at this time a major factor is if you can get by with a 1/2 ton truck. Even though the tow ratings are rather high, by the time you start loading a truck with everything you haul as well as tongue weight, many times the axle weight ratings are very close if not over max.

The Ecoboost's fuel mileage does not exceed those of a Diesel power pickup, but Diesel is not available in 1/2 ton, and at this time the Ecoboost is not available in 3/4 ton trucks.

mojo 09-02-2011 11:34 AM

I'm currently on a 3-4,000 mile trip from CO UT ID MT WY and back with lot's of mountains. Truck is amazing, and I bought with the HD tow package w/3.73 gears. Grades have been no problem. Averaging 11-12 towing, 18-20 unhooked. Bought with extended 7/125K warranty, so why wait for to see if something goes wrong? Enjoy it now if you need a new truck!

DKB_SATX 09-02-2011 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkasten (Post 1040943)
I too was very interested in the new Ford but choose to go with a Silverado w/ 5.3 and 6 speed trans. I am only pulling a 22' Safari. The extra $4000 for the ecoboost was not worth it to me. By all reports millage is still 11 -13 pulling and 22 w/o trailer. I get the 11 - 13 pulling w/ my Silverado and get 19 - 20 w/o.

If you think that Ecoboost made a $4k difference, you may not have been looking at comparable trucks. The Ecoboost is a $750 option over the Coyote V8, and a roughly equivalent Silverado usually lists for a few dollars MORE than the F150 (e.g. compare a V8 Lariat Supercrew to a V8 Silverado LTZ Crew Cab.)

tkasten 09-02-2011 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DKB_SATX (Post 1040949)
If you think that Ecoboost made a $4k difference, you may not have been looking at comparable trucks. The Ecoboost is a $750 option over the Coyote V8, and a roughly equivalent Silverado usually lists for a few dollars MORE than the F150 (e.g. compare a V8 Lariat Supercrew to a V8 Silverado LTZ Crew Cab.)

I did not mean that the eco boost was a $4000.00 option. You are correct that it is $750 option on the Ford. I looked at Ford and Chevy both with the same options, 4x4, tow package etc. and the Ford was going to cost me $4000.00 more than the Chevy. Maybe my Ford dealer was not dealing I don't know. I have bought fords from him for years but could not justify the extra $4000. Perhaps Chevy was dealing with more factory incentives at the time. In any case, I felt it prudent to save the money and wait until my next purchase (every 2 years).

Naper 09-02-2011 03:03 PM

Does anyone know if any of the rental places ( Hertz Budget ) have EcoBoost trucks in their fleets. It would be a great to rent one, give it a real world test towing.

mello mike 09-02-2011 03:32 PM

I test drove a 2012 F-150 with the ecoboost a few weeks ago. WOW! Very impressive power and torque.

I bought a 2011 F-250 with the 6.2L engine instead because I need more payload for toys (I'm buying a truck camper in a few weeks).

ROBERTSUNRUS 09-02-2011 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mello mike (Post 1041002)
I test drove a 2012 F-150 with the ecoboost a few weeks ago. WOW! Very impressive power and torque.

I bought a 2011 F-250 with the 6.2L engine instead because I need more payload for toys (I'm buying a truck camper in a few weeks).

:) Hi, Mike. Maybe, if you haven't already, you could start a thread on your experience with your F-250 6.2 L engine. I'm personally leaning towards the 6.2 L engine and an F-250.

Streamer1492 09-11-2011 06:01 PM

I purchased an Ecoboost in April 11 and replaced a Tundra, pulling a 28' with slide about 8500#'s with about 1000 #'s in bed. Just put on over 3,000 miles from Vegas to Yellowstone, Billings, Grand Lake and other locations in Colorado.

I used the Tundra on almost same trip last two years and the Ecoboost was overall better, and in the mountains, the Ecoboost was much better. Where the Tundra was running at around 4500RPM @ 40-45 on hills like Vail pass, the Ecoboost was running around 2500RPM @ 40-45. Plus we averaged around 10.8 with the Tundra and 12.3 with the Ecoboost.

That being said, we have noticed a shudder, vibration, or slippage either in the rear end or the transmission between 1 and 2, when towing. This started at about 3,000 miles and has gotten slightly worse. Four Ford dealers have looked at problem and engineers have determined there is a problem, but no FIX as of Sept. They hope to have some fix before the end of year.

So if you notice something between 1 and 2nd, tell your dealer. Mine is 157wb 4x4 with max tow pkg.

Flying-Steve 09-19-2011 12:04 AM

I wanted an Ecobost but went with the Tundra....
 
I seriously considered that 6 cylinder to pull my 25' Flying Cloud, but trouble is at least here in Texas it is not easy to find any great number of these on dealer lots, thus they are really really wanting to hang on to them, price wise. And the two dealers I went to had ones tripped out in features running the cost way up, features I didn't want. I was also concerned about how new the technology is, so I ended up going with the big bad ass 5.7 Liter V8 Tundra. When I test drove the Ecobost I noticed that it had great acceleration but the trip computer on the one I drove never showed better than 16 mpg, so I agree that you'll need a light foot. So my advice is to go with proven technology, maybe have to buy a bit more gas, but also get unparalleded reliability. I've owned four Toyotas, and I've never had one that didn't easily get 200,000 plus miles with NO breakdowns. If you care for your vehicle and expect to keep it a while I went with an extra 50,000 miles rather than an extra 2 mpg. But then again it depends a bit on how far you'll be towing. We're on the road all summer and once out of Texas and somewhere cool we don't drive far daily. Best of luck.

mojo 09-19-2011 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying-Steve (Post 1047921)
When I test drove the Ecobost I noticed that it had great acceleration but the trip computer on the one I drove never showed better than 16 mpg, so I agree that you'll need a light foot.

A little quick to judge, Steve. A new Ecoboost mileage improves during the break-in period after about 500 miles. Reality is 10-12 mpg towing in the mountains, and 12-14 mpg on flatland. Unhooked, I'm getting 20-22 mpg. Updates on longevity to come in 7 years.

Chasmorgan 09-19-2011 09:02 AM

I now have 5400 miles and the last 400 miles was pulling my 23' Safari. I averaged 13 mpg towing on a fairly flat tow. Plenty of smooth power that's noticably better than my 07 5.4. The best thing about this motor is the non towing performance! 17 around town and 20 to 23 on the highway. I'm a speed limit guy and manage the throttle to get the best results. Hopefully it will prove reliable in the years to come!

TouringDan 09-19-2011 09:09 AM

I have an 08 Tundra 2wd and I love it. My only complaint is the electronic LSD, which really does not work. If somebody ever comes out with a real mechanical limited slip, I will install this to help for traction when I boondock. The Tundra works really well for me. I just returned from a 450 trip and got 14.1 mpg pulling my Tradewind gently.

If I were buying a new TV today I would look at the ecoboost because it has more torque (not that I need it) and it would probably get 1-2 mpg better fuel economy. The downside would be the additional cost over the Tundra (I paid 25k out the door) and the risk of the reliability of another piece of complicated equipment (the turbo) after the warranty runs out.

I would also look at all the Dodge, GM and Ford 3/4 ton trucks with the large motors (greater than 5.7L) to get the added payload capacity.

Having said all this, and considering the other trucks and their cost, I just might pick a new Tundra- I like my truck with the floor shift and the back seat in the Tundra seems larger than the back seat in the other trucks. I just wish it more payload and a real LSD.

Dan

RamblinManGa 09-19-2011 09:14 AM

Hi from GA. . . to Bob & Mike // just wondered why you wanted a 6.2 gasser vs the new 6.7 diesel. I'm hearing great things about the 6.7 and I bought a V10 F250 (08) cause 'I don't want a diesel' :rolleyes: I love my truck BUT it gets 10 mpg (+or-) whether I'm pulling or not. Ford folks say yep that's the V10 ! I haven't heard anything about the new big V8. Just curious, I'm trying hard NOT to buy a new truck !!! Regards, Craig

mello mike 09-19-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RamblinManGa (Post 1048012)
Hi from GA. . . to Bob & Mike // just wondered why you wanted a 6.2 gasser vs the new 6.7 diesel. I'm hearing great things about the 6.7 and I bought a V10 F250 (08) cause 'I don't want a diesel' :rolleyes: I love my truck BUT it gets 10 mpg (+or-) whether I'm pulling or not. Ford folks say yep that's the V10 ! I haven't heard anything about the new big V8. Just curious, I'm trying hard NOT to buy a new truck !!! Regards, Craig

The new 6.7L diesel is sweet, but I didn't want to pay an extra $7,500 for it. Not only that but a diesel reduces your payload, a big consideration when you want to haul a truck camper. I'm still breaking in the 6.2L engine, it only has 425 miles on it so far. I'll post a report soon, but so far so good.

Airtandem 09-19-2011 09:56 AM

I believe that that engine (ford Eco boost) has been available in the Mercury MKX for about 2-3 years.


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