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wkerfoot 12-23-2010 04:49 PM

2011 Mid Winter Meeting
 
Since I don't want to hijack another WBCCI thread. I thought that I would start this one regarding the upcoming Mid Winter meeting.

What happened to the report from the committee which was formed to propose changes, cleanup or whatever to the constitution and bylaws of WBCCI?

Also, wasn't there a committee to meet with Airstream to discuss new motorhomes? Why isn't there a report from that committee?

Bill

ps: I am pleased glad to hear of the motion to approve a flag for the El Camino Real Unit.

RickDavis 12-23-2010 05:04 PM

Hopefully more will appear on this agenda as time goes on.

Motion 5 appears to be trying to force some kind of action on a region 11 motion.
Anyone know what this motion would be about?

In skimming through the reports it appears there is going to be some kind of Caravan recognition dinner a the International.

Who picks up the tab on this one, The dinner attendees or the members??

Other than motion 2 (which I support)and 5 all the rest appears to be housekeeping

greywolf 12-23-2010 09:13 PM

I'm glad some unit is able o make progress on a flag. I tried propossing a flag idea for our unit and couldn't get it past the first board meeting. It would appear that the old timers think the generic looking WBCCI flag is just fine.

wkerfoot 12-23-2010 11:40 PM

Based on the prior conversations and comments on unit flags, I look forward to hearing why the ECR flag should not be approved. I hope that I am wrong, but I doubt it, based on prior discussions.

Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by greywolf (Post 929697)
I'm glad some unit is able o make progress on a flag. I tried propossing a flag idea for our unit and couldn't get it past the first board meeting. It would appear that the old timers think the generic looking WBCCI flag is just fine.


RickDavis 12-24-2010 04:29 AM

It has always seemed to me that it was an excess of control that unit flags had to be approved in the manner they are. If the flag is approved at a unit level that should do it, or at least an international approval should be done at the executive level without involving the whole IBT.

It also seems a waste of time to have to approve the forming of intra clubs, and then particularly have to approve their disbanding. It would seem that a note to HQ from the club stating their intention to disband would suffice. A lesson from Escapees BOF (bird of a feather) groups would seem appropriate.

But then these are the same folks that wasted hours on what you can put on you badge and how it must be displayed and have pages after page of this stuff in the Blue Book .

Is there really a need for everything to be this complicated??

Boondocker 12-24-2010 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickDavis (Post 929743)
......Is there really a need for everything to be this complicated??

That is an excellent question. I propose that the IBT form as study group to investigate the feasibility of forming a committee tasked with developing a set of bylaws directed toward........Oh, never mind. :bb:

greywolf 12-26-2010 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boondocker (Post 929787)
That is an excellent question. I propose that the IBT form as study group to investigate the feasibility of forming a committee tasked with developing a set of bylaws directed toward........Oh, never mind. :bb:

I second that proposal and futher propose that Dilbert's pointy haired manager, what ever his name is, be the chairman of said study group!

See, this all is easy! Heck, I submit that the IBT gathering itself is completely unneccessary. They could do it all right here on the forums and not have to go through the expense of meeting somewhere! But of course, IBT has to be kept at a Secret Squirell level, so it would only be available to those that have the secret password! (Sorta like what's neccessary to get in on the secret poker games in the back room at the local pub)

dwightdi 12-26-2010 03:59 AM

These old people need to have something to do and so they invent jobs and responsibilities for meaningless activities. That is why they call it "senior" management.

Sometime in the future, we to will become old and will need to feel relevant. I do not look forward to the time when my mind deteriorates to that level.

eubank 12-26-2010 08:15 AM

It seems that ageism is alive and well on the Airforums.
:)
Lynn

wkerfoot 12-26-2010 11:15 AM

Dwight,

I have a problem with your statement about age. The members of the IBT which I have met are not much older than me. I don't think that it is a matter of age but perhaps life experiences.

Bill


Quote:

Originally Posted by dwightdi (Post 930292)
These old people need to have something to do and so they invent jobs and responsibilities for meaningless activities. That is why they call it "senior" management.

Sometime in the future, we to will become old and will need to feel relevant. I do not look forward to the time when my mind deteriorates to that level.


dwightdi 12-26-2010 02:59 PM

In my 15 years experience with analyzing their decisions and 11 Internationals I have attended, the type of entertainment and the other types of activities they chose to sponsor, all just just seem old. They are certainly out of touch with the younger generation and what the young people might want to have at an International. I agree with you Bill that their academic training and their life experiences also might not have prepared them to be able to run a business this large.

Ed Emerick 12-27-2010 07:25 AM

Age of the IBT
 
I feel the age of the IBT is reflective of the CURRENT needs of the club. You need to be retired to have enough time to work in the system that is set up. But make this job less time intensive, less travel intensive and more enjoyable and you just might find the younger "working" member step up and get more involved.

To get a younger IBT the club will need to change the way we do almost everything when it comes to way it organizes the duties and expectations of the leadership rolls.

In short, cut back, make things easier to do and reduce the time commitment and the youth of this club might step up.

Nuvite-F 12-27-2010 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wkerfoot (Post 929579)
Since I don't want to hijack another WBCCI thread. I thought that I would start this one regarding the upcoming Mid Winter meeting.

What happened to the report from the committee which was formed to propose changes, cleanup or whatever to the constitution and bylaws of WBCCI?

Also, wasn't there a committee to meet with Airstream to discuss new motorhomes? Why isn't there a report from that committee?

Bill

Indeed. No less luminaries than the IP and Airforums own LIPets have promised a major reorganization of the By Laws at the mid winter IBT, but there is nothing about that in the agenda. [Amendments to the constitution would have to wait till the delegates meeting at the next international rally.]

The 2020 committee report even defers to the Constitution and By Laws and Motor Home committees--but their reports are absent.

I hope that these reports will be published before the IBT, now only a month away. Or are they--and the motions which will result from them--supposed to be a surprise?
.

RickDavis 12-27-2010 08:31 AM

As I recall.. Without a lot of digging by Leo, and the help of a few region Prez we would not have known what was coming up at last years mid winters. The excuse was they wouldn't let us see them as they weren't in their final form yet.

Leo also put together the survey of the membership regarding these proposals and got a good response. We all know where that went.


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