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Judithheintz 11-28-2007 10:28 PM

International CCD Best Tow Vehicle...HELP!
 
My husband and I need advice on what tow vehicle is best for the CCD we ordered recently.

The dealer in Orange County recommended a 3/4 ton Suburban or Yukon XL.

We are finding either impossible to find(3/4 ton) either new or used. We are planning to travel full-time in 2008 across the US and don't want to make a mistake with the choice of tow vehicle.

Some GM dealers have told us that if the 1/2 ton has a 4:1 axle ratio, we will be okay. What do you experienced Intl CCD owners use as a tow vehicle?

Judie and Bob Heintz:)

moosetags 11-28-2007 10:44 PM

Welcome to the Forums. We're glad to have you with us.

We tow Lucy (our '05 Safari 25 FB) with Olivia (our '05 Suburban 2500 4x4x4). We have driven the combo 25,000 miles. We have also towed Lucy with Matilda (our '04 Tahoe). The Tahoe is marginal, at best. The 3/4 ton Suburban gets the job done. You will probably not be happy pulling a 28' Airstream with a 1/2 ton Suburban. Even with the 4.10 rear end, the 1500 Suburban is not up to the task. The GM dealers who told you that a 1500 can handle it have probably never towed anything.

The 2500 Suburban has rear leaf springs; the 1500 doesn't.

The 2500 has a transmission cooler; the 1500 doesn't.

The 2500 has the 6.0 liter V-8; the 1500 has the 5.3.

The 2500 has an oil cooler; the 1500 doesn't.

The 2500 has truck brakes; the 1500 has car brakes.

The 2500 comes with Load Range E tires; the 1500 comes with Load Range C car tires.

2airishuman 11-28-2007 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judithheintz
We are planning to travel full-time in 2008 across the US and don't want to make a mistake with the choice of tow vehicle...

hi judith and welcome to the forums!

unless u need the seating for 6 a u-con or bourbon provides...

consider a 3/4 ton truck, crew cab (4 doors) with a diesel drivetrain.

then add a shell over the truck bed...

u will still have plenty of seating for people and pets

and the gear needed for camping is in a separate area, but still protected.

these trucks are plentiful and discounted now and no harder to drive than a behemoth suv.

a 1/2 with a 4.10 rear might work for an occasional vacation or weekend trip,

but you will reach the payload limit with the 1/2 going on full time adventures, and climbing will be sloooooooooooooooow.

the 1/2 ton will not result in any fuel cost savings while towing either.

cheers
2air'

Harry W 11-28-2007 10:51 PM

Tow Vehicle
 
A 3/4 ton diesel powered pickup is the best choice. Whatever brand you like as long as it is a diesel. I am partial to Ford, having owned a 3/4 ton Super Duty Super Cab 8 foot bed for ten years. You will get better mileage and much better towing performance with the diesel. I towed with a '94 3/4 ton Suburban prior to the Ford, and I wouldn't go back for anything. I was towing an enclosed car trailer, and hills that were 40 mph in 2nd gear with the 'burb were 65 mph in 3rd with the diesel. Mileage was improved by 50-60%.

Good luck with your new adventures.:)

Harry W

Goin camping 11-28-2007 11:06 PM

Since you will be fulltiming I'd suggest a 3/4 diesel. You'll get tons of performance. Going and stopping. A diesel pick up is no more difficult than a suburban to drive. Good fuel prices at Flying J and other truck stop R/V fuel centers. Also get higher mileage over a gas engine and go up hills at the same speed you gon on the flats.

If you were only going locally I think a suburban 3/4 would be ideal. I'm not saying anything against 3/4 Subs. I've had two of them and they are really good at towing but a diesel is great at towing.

rangebowdrie 11-29-2007 12:20 AM

Even though i tow with a 3/4 ton suburban, i agree with the aforementioned respondents. many of the experenced drivers in these discussions try to follow the 75% rule,thusly,a 3/4 sub. with 4.10 gearing, and a 6.0lt. engine should reasonably expect to tow around 7500lbs.,give or take some.

Goin camping 11-29-2007 12:28 AM

Judith and Bob,

I forgot to welcome you to the forums. We're glad your here.

As you've found out you can ask any question you may have about any aspect of Airstreams and tow vehicles and we're more than willing to give you our opinions.

Since your currently in So Cal. I'm inviting you to join us the California Streamers for our rallies. No membership required. Just join in and have fun.

On the Portal page you'll see Calstreamers threads for rallies, notreallyarallyrallies and spons. Spon =spontanious rallies. We go somewhere about every month. Hope you'll join in on one.

rangebowdrie 11-29-2007 01:02 AM

Even though i tow with a 3/4 ton sub. i agree with the aforementioned respondants. many of the experienced drivers ~follow the 75% rule, so a 3/4 ton sub. should reasonably tow a ~7500lbs., and the tow rating is based upon only two people and 200lbs. cargo. The 28ccd is a hefty bit of weight to tow. With the demise of the big-cubic inch,high torque gas engines, The diesel has taken over heavy load towing. Alas,...That I could buy, a diesel sub. My wants are few in number,but certain of desire.

Rebee 11-29-2007 04:47 AM

Tow Vehicle
 
Everyone is correct and the vehicles described will perform well.

Some more food for thought, I pull a 30 ft classic, dry 8,000 lbs.

I prefer the Dodge trucks. I am presently using a 2007 RAM 2500 (3/4 ton)with 6.7 ltr Cummins diesel, I have the 3.73 rear axel ratio. It has plenty of pull power and is not as thirsty as the 4.10 when not towing. I also went to the short bed, this will make backing and manuvering less labor intensive.

Give some serious thought to your hitch. Many good ones on the market. I use the Hensley, some what pricey but a very good interface between tow vehicle and trailer.

Good luck on you search

dale

jkcru 11-29-2007 07:31 AM

I use a 3/4 ton 07 Burb and am very satisified, but would suggest the advice about a pickup may be more in line with your needs. Come over to our Rally and visit 29 Nov to 2 Dec at Guajome Regional Park Oceanside Ca. We would enjoy metting you and could answer most of your questions. the park is off RT 76 about 6 mi. east of Hwy. 5 El Camino Real Unit 12-014 WBCCI. Welcome aboard and hope to see you.

starflyte1 11-29-2007 08:53 AM

We have had both an 05 Suburban and an 05 Avalanche. Both were 2500 with the 8.1 gas engine and 4x4.

Yes, they are hard to find-I think I read that one in 10 is the 2500, 8.1. But we loved our Suburban and now the Avalanche. The Sub pulled a 28' AS, and now we have travelled 18,000 miles this year towing either a 23' AS or a 25' AS with the Avalanche, with no problems on two trips to the west coast. 06 was the last year to buy new either the Suburban or Avalanche with the 8.1.

We bought both thru cars.com. Both were sold by a Chevrolet dealer.

Mackhopp 11-29-2007 12:19 PM

We pull our 25' ccd with a Ford F-150, extended cab.

Seems to do fine.

Mikethefixit 11-29-2007 02:35 PM

Welcome Judith and Bob
I am afraid I have to echo the above comments. No matter what brand you decide on 3/4 ton or above defineatly diesel power train 3:73 gears work good for me. No matter what U decide, a good wieght distrubution, Straight line hitch, will do the trick,U dont need a $3000.00 hitch either.People will say anything to sell U something. Remember "The only Stupid Question is THE ONE U DONT ASK" There is always someone here with yrs of experience with AS and Towing that will be more than glad to answer your Questions.
Hope we see Ya out there.
Roger

millvalleyca 11-29-2007 03:38 PM

Go with the 3/4 ton truck. We have the new 2008 Ford 250 with a diesel. GREAT truck! The tow command, integrated brake control and best of all the electric extended side mirrors. We had a 2007 GMC Yukon XL and found it wasn't enough to pull our 25' SS. I just didn't feel comfortable (a little nervous at times) pulling with it. It didn't have the "reserve power" the truck has.
Just remember...... a sales person will tell you anything you want to hear.

Alice&Billis 11-29-2007 10:16 PM

Towing Experience
 
We feel very compatable with our 2006 Ford F-150 Lariat with a 5.4 engine. With a towing capacity of 10,000 pounds we find we have power to spare, when towing our 2006 25ft Safari. Because I drive the tow vehicle everyday, I needed better gas mileage, so I added a large cold air intake which gained me about 3-4 miles per gallon for an average of 14-15 mpg. (This model and year had the largest gas engine available. The cold air intake will gain you additional HP and torque. Anything bigger in the Ford line and you are into diesel.) This is also true when pulling the coach, as we recently experienced a phenomenal 13 mpg. We are Texas flatlanders so I know you'll want all you can get if you plan on regular hauls through the mountains. We did just fine pulling through some of the steep grades found around Chama, NM this past July. I've yet to try it with the coach, but I recall we told the salesman at our dealership, that we were going to be hauling five-six thousands pounds and didn't want trouble pulling up I-70 towards the Eisenhower Tunnel. We pulled from East Texas to Santa Fe and onto Chama and back hauling about 1700 miles without a problem. Certainly others have stories and advice to offer.

Judithheintz 11-29-2007 11:44 PM

Thanks for the input...I agree and am focusing on the Lariat F-250 diesel now for our 28' Int'l CCD to be on the safe side...based on what other repies were recommending.
Judie

millvalleyca 11-30-2007 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judithheintz
Thanks for the input...I agree and am focusing on the Lariat F-250 diesel
now for our 28' Int'l CCD to be on the safe side...based on what other repies were recommending.
Judie

That's a great decision Judie.
We had to learn the expensive way!
We have the Lariat F-250 diesel and pull a 27' FB Int'l CCD and love the combo...the only way to make it better is get a HAHA:)

BillTex 11-30-2007 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judithheintz
Thanks for the input...I agree and am focusing on the Lariat F-250 diesel now for our 28' Int'l CCD to be on the safe side...based on what other repies were recommending.
Judie


Welcome,
Check out the Duramax/Allison combo too before you pull the trigger...but either way, that size requires a 3/4 ton to be happy (and safe).

Good decision.

Bill

clancy_boy 11-30-2007 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alice&Billis
We feel very compatable with our 2006 Ford F-150 Lariat with a 5.4 engine. With a towing capacity of 10,000 pounds we find we have power to spare, when towing our 2006 25ft Safari. Because I drive the tow vehicle everyday, I needed better gas mileage, so I added a large cold air intake which gained me about 3-4 miles per gallon for an average of 14-15 mpg. (This model and year had the largest gas engine available. The cold air intake will gain you additional HP and torque. Anything bigger in the Ford line and you are into diesel.) This is also true when pulling the coach, as we recently experienced a phenomenal 13 mpg. We are Texas flatlanders so I know you'll want all you can get if you plan on regular hauls through the mountains. We did just fine pulling through some of the steep grades found around Chama, NM this past July. I've yet to try it with the coach, but I recall we told the salesman at our dealership, that we were going to be hauling five-six thousands pounds and didn't want trouble pulling up I-70 towards the Eisenhower Tunnel. We pulled from East Texas to Santa Fe and onto Chama and back hauling about 1700 miles without a problem. Certainly others have stories and advice to offer.

My experience with my 2003 Ford F250 Lariat 7.3L is 17-18 mpg (better if I keep my foot out of it) and 15-15.5 towing a 22' CCD. Just my numbers for information only. Looks like you made a well informed decission, Judithheintz

jacarape 12-05-2007 05:48 PM

I love pickup trucks, but I don't want one. I bought a used 2002 4x4 Burb 2500HD w/8.1 Ok, it's a gas hog, but I see diesel at a 40 cents premiium over regular gas, and the initial high payment of a diesel motor.

But the reason I don't want a PU, is I don't want to climb into it to retrieve stored items. I have covered, secure storage without being a truck taht causes me to climb in it. Plus the extra bank of seats is a plus.

I like the barn doors on a Burb, just open them and there out of the way, I don't have to lift them. All my HO, YMMV.

I didn'teven mention that plush Burb road ride...


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