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overlander63 06-16-2007 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sadiek
I should never volunteer to do the jobs better left to my husband...but I was just trying to be helpful.

Just because this happened, doesn't mean you should stop trying to help. Next time you will know to fill the tank more slowly, your trailer can be fixed, that's why y'all have insurance.

3Ms75Argosy 06-16-2007 06:58 AM

cracked floor..
 
I don't think you got the answer you were looking for.

More than likely, your floor is made of OSB (you might get lucky and find plywood). Repair for both will be a bit different, yet simular. If it is plywood, and just split on a seem, or with a single crack, you might get away with putting a 1/2" or so piece of plywood underneath (I'd make it 6" or so larger than the crack on each side if possible) and "sister" or reinforce the cracked area from underneath when you drop the pan with screws. OSB wafer most likely "blew out" ... with the damaged area likely bigger.

In this case, I'd find the nearest ribs on the floor, and using a circular saw, cut out a rectangle along the MIDDLE of the nearest ribs, and replace the wood. You can reattach the wood using anchor bolts (see Andy at Inland RV or Vintagetrailersupply.com for these). Search floor patch for ideas on the forum.

Really, it shouldn't take very long for this to repair. The hardest part will be repairing the vinyl floor. I'd use an area rug and just cover it for now.;)

You can also use city water with your trailer now, no need to worry about the tank if you have a water supply.

If the ribs are bent forward or backwards, you might get away with nothing... it's just lateral bending. If it's bent up, then that would of course affect how flat your floor is going to be. As long as it's all attached and the welds aren't blown out, then I would not worry about it.

For the wife, hey, these things happen. Use the trailer and enjoy it!
Marc

Silvertwinkie 06-16-2007 07:11 AM

I think the 16' and 19' were the only ones that had OSB flooring FWIW, but I'm not 100% on that.

Foureagles 06-16-2007 07:31 AM

Yow! I had no idea that this could happen, and y'all's misfortune has openend my eyes! On my '71 Overlander, the fill spout (no idea if it's original) won't let me get a hose completely into the hole -- just sorta hangs over the spout while water dribbles in slowly. I did notice what seemed like a lot of undue bubbling, and so uncovered the vent hose & found it kinked due to excessive length. Looks like it's always been that way. Shortened the hose, and it all works nicely now. I think you should investigate the venting, as you may well have a warranty claim.

How's Woodland Park these days? When I left in the early '90s it was getting pretty dadgum busy. I hope that it hasn't expanded by now to swallow Cascade, Guffey, Deckers & Divide.

azflycaster 06-16-2007 07:37 AM

I think alot of us did not know this type of damage could happen just by filling the tank. Thank you for posting this on the forums. You have spared many others from the same fate. Hopefully your airstream will be back to it's original condition soon.

Sending a little get well soon Karma your way!

BDandTTs 06-16-2007 10:54 AM

Another filler problem
 
Our 22' CCD fresh water tank has also been somewhat difficult to fill. First, we found that the vent tube was not attached to the opening near the inlet. This was corrected under warranty by our local Airstream dealership; they removed the oven in order to connect the tube.

Now, water constantly spits back long before the tank is full and we've found that the filler tube actually runs uphill a bit from the inlet on it's way into the tank. We haven't figured out how to secure the tube at a constant decline without shortening it. Luckily we'll have full hookups at our mini-trip to North Beach on Lake Champlain starting June 25.

Don't know if other lines are routed uphill or not, but it might be another thing to check.

JK3500 06-18-2007 06:59 AM

we're back
 
hey all. just got back last night. great weekend of biking, hiking and hanging out in crested butte. the weather was perfect, best weekend we've had in colorado so far this year. it was, in many ways, our maiden voyage in the trailer and successfully tested and used many of the mods and additioill ns we added for boondlocking (propane generator (though not needed), dual 6 volt setup, battery monitor, etc). also took about an hour one day and went through the trailer removing items we don't use (cd changer, subwoofer, privacy screen), removing at least 50# of weight. the trip over cottomwood pass taught us we need to add additional means of securing cabinet doors, as several cabinets and the refrigerator opened during the 10 mile stretch of relatively smooth dirt road (the refrigerator door came off completely on the trip back, even though we went pretty slow up the pass). but that is for another thread.

thanks all for your posts. the insurance assessor comes this afternoon. haven't decided yet whether to take to a dealer to repair or tackle it myself. really depends whether we can get it repaired quickly enough. if not, will propably repace the tanks and associated parts and leave the floor until we have time. the floor is not really bad now, just a small lip where the wood is cracked.

i am glad to hear our situation has helped others avoid a similar disaster. i would have never thought something like this would happen, especially that a water hose, unattended would remain in the fill spout with that much pressure. like others have said, live and learn.... and insurance is a wonderful thing.

will send an update soon. jk

JK3500 06-18-2007 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foureagles
How's Woodland Park these days? When I left in the early '90s it was getting pretty dadgum busy. I hope that it hasn't expanded by now to swallow Cascade, Guffey, Deckers & Divide.

no, it hasn't swallowed cascade, guffy and deckers yet and divide is still not much more than a streetcorner. walmart is going up now and there are still rumors of a home depot of lowes. other than the thru-traffic on 24 it is still a pretty quiet town. much preferred to living in the springs!

read your post in another thread about your anticipated trip to your mining claim. have you made the journey yet in the AS? would like to see the pictures when you do! jk

CanoeStream 06-18-2007 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silvertwinkie
I think the 16' and 19' were the only ones that had OSB flooring FWIW, but I'm not 100% on that.

I think Pahaska's early 22' International had a one piece OSB floor and no belly pan. Eric, that's 'top of my head' and I don't claim accuracy by any means.

Inland RV Center, In 06-18-2007 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JK3500
hey all. just got back last night. great weekend of biking, hiking and hanging out in crested butte. the weather was perfect, best weekend we've had in colorado so far this year. it was, in many ways, our maiden voyage in the trailer and successfully tested and used many of the mods and additioill ns we added for boondlocking (propane generator (though not needed), dual 6 volt setup, battery monitor, etc). also took about an hour one day and went through the trailer removing items we don't use (cd changer, subwoofer, privacy screen), removing at least 50# of weight. the trip over cottomwood pass taught us we need to add additional means of securing cabinet doors, as several cabinets and the refrigerator opened during the 10 mile stretch of relatively smooth dirt road (the refrigerator door came off completely on the trip back, even though we went pretty slow up the pass). but that is for another thread.

thanks all for your posts. the insurance assessor comes this afternoon. haven't decided yet whether to take to a dealer to repair or tackle it myself. really depends whether we can get it repaired quickly enough. if not, will propably repace the tanks and associated parts and leave the floor until we have time. the floor is not really bad now, just a small lip where the wood is cracked.

i am glad to hear our situation has helped others avoid a similar disaster. i would have never thought something like this would happen, especially that a water hose, unattended would remain in the fill spout with that much pressure. like others have said, live and learn.... and insurance is a wonderful thing.

will send an update soon. jk

Dual 6 volt batterys are a waste of time and money. That setup has disadvantages that a 12 volt system does not.

You are also, very clearly, describing severe vibration and/or out of balance running gear.

The insurance adjuster will not be able to properly help you, until you drop the water tank and inspect for frame damage.

If the adjuster attempts a settlement, "refuse it" until such time as you have the area open for inspection.

If you accept a settlement at this point, many insurance companies will not reopen the file at a later date whe you learn of additional damages.

Andy

Foureagles 06-18-2007 12:33 PM

Glad to hear that good ol' WP is still a reasonable respite from the Front Range! When I first moved there (actually, to Horse Creek, just your side of Deckers), about the only paved roads were 24 and the road to Deckers, and that changed daily depending on floods/mudslides. They still closed 24 then for cattle drives. I did stick around long enough to see McDonalds come in and my favorite greasy spoon close, but hate to think about how it'll be once Wal-Mart, Lowes, as Home Despot drive the remaining local color out.

Haven't yet made it home to 12,000', and may not this year. Drove up (sans trailer) from South Carolina in mid May, and was turned back by 4' of snow at about 10,000'. I'll certainly send pictures when and if I get the ol' tin can up there, but it looks as if a lower camp is more likely. The North Fork reservior expansion project was scaled back and no road improvements are planned, so it's still at least an hour in 4-Low in a good Jeep to get there June-Sept, and snowshoe only after that.

Does Woodland Park still have that funky-good used bookstore?

JK3500 06-18-2007 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In
Dual 6 volt batterys are a waste of time and money. That setup has disadvantages that a 12 volt system does not.

You are also, very clearly, describing severe vibration and/or out of balance running gear.Andy

That may be true on the dual 6 volts; I have heard many opinions on both sides of the 6v vs. 12v debate. Went with 6v as most of the reading and folksI talked to recommended that over 2 x 12v batteries. One thing is for sure, it is much better than the single 12v battery it came from the factory with.

As far as the running gear being out of balance, I haven't had it checked yet but wouldn't that cause a problem on highway as well? Never had a problem on previous all-pavement trips. Also on this trip we cleaned up all the mess at the top of cottonwood pass and everything was just fine when we got home. In other words, it only rattled apart during the dirt road stretch.

Thanks for the tip on the insurance adjuster. jk

Inland RV Center, In 06-18-2007 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JK3500
That may be true on the dual 6 volts; I have heard many opinions on both sides of the 6v vs. 12v debate. Went with 6v as most of the reading and folksI talked to recommended that over 2 x 12v batteries. One thing is for sure, it is much better than the single 12v battery it came from the factory with.

As far as the running gear being out of balance, I haven't had it checked yet but wouldn't that cause a problem on highway as well? Never had a problem on previous all-pavement trips. Also on this trip we cleaned up all the mess at the top of cottonwood pass and everything was just fine when we got home. In other words, it only rattled apart during the dirt road stretch.

Thanks for the tip on the insurance adjuster. jk

Ohms law says "watts is watts," or "watts are watts."

A 6 volt battery at 200 amps is 1200 watts. W=EI

A 12 volt battery at 100 amps is 1200 watts. W=EI

W= watts. E=voltage I=current in amperes.

Those 2 batteries will be very close to the same size.

When batteries are in series, the whole chain is no better that the weakest battery. If one battery goes south, then the system is done.

When batteries are in parallel, when one goes south, remove it from the system, and your still in business.

NO six volt setup can ever do that, unless perhaps you have 4 six volt batteries in a series parallel setup.

Even at that, if one battery went south, you lost 50 percent of the possible energy.

In the same case using 4 12 batteries in parallel, if one goes south, remove it and your at 75 percent of the possible energy.

They only advantage of six volt batteries, is that they create a greater drain on your pocket book, than the equal 12 volt batteries.

If what you say, that others have a convincing story, then heaven help our commercial airline industry if they used 6 volt battries in series. Also our automobile industry would grind to a halt, if they used 6 volt batteries in series

There is some talk, that with the steady increase of gadgets in cars, that we may have to change our car batteries to 24 volts.

Why??

The higher the voltage, the more efficient batteries become.

Again, ohms law disagrees with the 6 volt in series theory.

Andy

ROBERTSUNRUS 06-18-2007 10:18 PM

:) Hi, Andy. Words from a Ford factory rep. In the near future cars will have a 42 volt system. How they came up with that, I don't know, but I don't know where they came up with 330 volts on their hybrid either. Also read in, I believe Motor Trend, Mercedes Benz was also going to use a 42 volt system. And no, this was not dislexia. (24/42)


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