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urbanfood 04-12-2008 01:50 PM

thanks for the well wishes. i'm hanging out at home recovering at the moment. i've been off the pain meds for 4 days so i've been feeling normal the last several days. i must say, this weekend is gorgeous in socal and i'm already getting bored sitting around. i think i can have a friend help me next weekend and i can do some work on the frame.

the black tanks arrived this week, they are great. i'm glad i went the ABS route, they seem strong and the fact i can install my own fittings is a huge plus.

i have a question; the tanks come with a 1.5" lip on them so my plan is to weld an angle just down from the top of the frame and the tanks will sit on this angle (it'll have to be bolted on one side so i can drop the tanks to remove them). so the tanks will "hang there" if you can picture it. i can't build a box frame as a i originally planned because the tanks don't have square edges.

so my question is obviously the lip is probably not strong enough to support the tank with water (alone that is), but it allows the tanks to fit into position and then i can strap them in from underneath, sort of like hanging the tanks and supporting them with straps. has anyone used anything for straps that you could cinch tight and snug enough. i'd probably use three, two near each end and one in the middle. not sure how the strapping idea would work. any suggestions?

Zeppelinium 04-12-2008 02:17 PM

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can you post a photo of the tanks? what does the vendor say about hanging the tanks by the flanges?

Something like this might work, if you've got room. Turn the top of the threaded rod support stuff parallel the tank to fit better. This would allow lots of adjustment changing the overall dimensions at all.

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Zep

urbanfood 04-12-2008 04:47 PM

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zep, i'm hanging the tanks from the NEW 2x4 crossmembers i'm going to be installing so i won't need the threaded rod idea, tanks are at my office but i did a skecth of the idea;

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the strapping is the thing i'm having the issue.

also, zep, how are you getting your thumbnail images to read so strongly? i've been playing with the penweights in autocad but my thumbnail still looks weak.

Zeppelinium 04-12-2008 11:49 PM

David, nice drawing. I don't know how else to "cinch" up your strap.

I'm using Autosketch. It was an independent CAD company years ago, but AutoCAD bought them and that was the last upgrade--I'm guessing my copy is now over 8 years old. It's simple but fully DXF file compatible. I guess the line selections, when you are thicker than "thinest", are pretty coarse, but they get the job done for me. But you can't save to .JPG with Autosketch (or any other image file, just CAD files).

It may be the method by which I make the image. I have a program called Print Screen Deluxe (shareware)--been using it for about 5 years. It copies the screen pixels one-for-one and can store the image in any common image file format. You just hit "print screen" and select the area of the screen with the mouse. Piece of cake.

Zep

NorCal Bambi 04-13-2008 09:46 AM

2d and 3d drawings.
 
Zep and urbanfood, you might be interested in the program "Google SketchUp". There is a free download form Google. It is an amazing program and easy to use and there many many tutorials on how to use it on Youtube.
Here is my Picasa site for you to see some examples.
Picasa Web Albums - Don
I also use a free version of Kerkythea and rendering program to creat final images. If you have any further question about the programs, let me know.
Don

toastie 04-13-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeppelinium
can you post a photo of the tanks? what does the vendor say about hanging the tanks by the flanges?

Something like this might work, if you've got room. Turn the top of the threaded rod support stuff parallel the tank to fit better. This would allow lots of adjustment changing the overall dimensions at all.

Attachment 58056

Zep

Zep

I'm also in the process of ordering tanks for my 55 Safari and I really like the concept of running the threaded bolts. Will add spacer/plate that will catch the tank flange and design the belly pan for the ease of removing if the tanks need to be removed later on.......

Toastie
of removing the

Zeppelinium 04-13-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCal Bambi
Zep and urbanfood, you might be interested in the program "Google SketchUp". ...
I also use a free version of Kerkythea and rendering program to creat final images. If you have any further question about the programs, let me know.
Don

Don, you are quite the graphic artist. Did Google Sketchup produce the stuff on your Picasa site?

I usually use my CAD program for engineering type drawings. If I go 3D, it's with a camera!

Zep

NorCal Bambi 04-13-2008 11:16 PM

Zepp, thanks for the kudos. Yes everything was done with SketchUp. The rendersing that have a photo type look were done in the program Kerkythia.
Have you taken a look at SketchUp yet. I think you will like it. I've worked with many programs and I like SketchUp because of its ease.
Don

Zeppelinium 04-13-2008 11:51 PM

Pretty interesting. I've gone through the first 30 or so tips. I was suspicious that it was an illustrating tool, rather than a CAD tool, but it's looking CAD to me. I like it, so far.

Zep

SilverPal2 04-14-2008 10:14 AM

All
I am right in the middle of hanging tanks in one of my 54 FC's , the above info has been very helpful. Thanks to all for the straps and the sketchup.
Jim

Pariscope 04-14-2008 10:57 AM

Congradulations
 
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I kinda know how you feel about your new prize.
Our 63 globetrotter kinda sorta looked like your interior but not as clean. We want ours to be just like we want it after we're through working on it.
Photos are the day we brought it home and then gutted and yesterday I primed the inside.
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utee94 04-14-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeppelinium
Pretty interesting. I've gone through the first 30 or so tips. I was suspicious that it was an illustrating tool, rather than a CAD tool, but it's looking CAD to me. I like it, so far.

Zep

I'm a big fan of Google Sketchup too. I created some models of my ideas for a new house and sent them over to my architect. He was not thrilled at my intrusion into his world to say the least. :D

But, he's also my long-time best friend since grade school, so he'll just have to put up with it. Anyway, he'd never seen anything done with Sketchup before and he was pretty impressed with it.

InsideOut 04-14-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCal Bambi
Zep and urbanfood, you might be interested in the program "Google SketchUp". There is a free download form Google. It is an amazing program and easy to use and there many many tutorials on how to use it on Youtube.
Here is my Picasa site for you to see some examples.
Picasa Web Albums - Don
I also use a free version of Kerkythea and rendering program to creat final images. If you have any further question about the programs, let me know.
Don

I second (or third!) the use of Sketch-Up as a quick modeling and visualization tool. I've used it for work for 8+ years now...it was developed locally here in Boulder and just recently sold to Google...wish I woulda got that check! It's pretty intuitive, you don't have to be an architect/engineer to learn/use it ~ although it can be tough to get that tubular Airstream shape at first.

Shari :flowers:

urbanfood 04-14-2008 05:21 PM

don, great work on the sketchup. i've actually downloaded it awhile ago and haven't found the time to work with it yet. it could be very useful for my houses. my hesitation has always been i'd spend too many hours for few results, however, your stuff looks good. how many hours did it take you for "the pad" (ballpark, 10, 40, or 100).

all - i dryfitted the gray and black tanks this weekend and they are going to work like a charm. i also ordered this from northern tool
FREE SHIPPING — Hobart Handler 187 MIG Welder — 230 Volt, 180 Amp, Model# 500525 | Wirefeed Welders | Northern Tool + Equipment

pricey, yes but it will bring lots of joy and i'll find plenty of use for it. oh and it'll allow me to finish the frame work on the flying cloud ;)


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