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urbanfood 11-04-2006 01:26 PM

Boy Oh Boy! my new '56 Flying Cloud!
 
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well, i joined the forums over a year ago and i finally bought my first airstream. it's a 22' 1956 flying cloud. i picked it up in prescott, arizona yesterday. it was made in los angeles so in a sense, i brought it back home. it also has the whale tail which is very cool. i don't think i could be happier right now (that could and probably will change sometime soon).

the exterior is in great shape, especially for a 50 year old trailer. i'm going to completely gut the interior and hopefully perform a shell-on restoration if the steel frame is in good shape.

if anyone in the los angeles area would be willing to come to my house and check it out and give me some practical advice, i'd really appreciate and cook you lunch or dinner. i've been perusing the forums for over a year and pouring over them in the last few months, so i have a good general idea on how to proceed, but need some guidance on the nuts and bolts of it.

also, there isn't a category for a 1956 flying cloud in the trailer forum so perhaps a moderator could create a category and move this post there, that would be great.

you'll notice the tight fit in one of the pics below. the driveway was barely 8'-0 wide. it tooks us about 2.5 hours to get it backed in with my tahoe. i'll definately need to get a motorized trailer dolly because it's so tight. there was barely 2 inches clearance on either side when we were backing in, pulling forward, backing in, crank the wheel, pull forward, hold it...wait, pull forward....you get the idea, 2.5 hours of that.

look forward to sharing my renovation experience with everyone.

i've posted some pix:

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hitching up in arizona

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CanoeStream 11-04-2006 01:37 PM

Fabulous find! It sure looks like a honey. Anything original on the interior? Is the cabinetry painted or was it white to begin with?

Mackhopp 11-04-2006 02:44 PM

Wow! Looks absolutely fab! Nice and bright interior.

Makes me think of an Airstream a family friend had in California - late 50s I believe. I loved seeing the pics of his outings to Baja way back then.

All in all you've got a very cool looking vintage trailer.

Have fun!

Cheers,
Michelle

Foiled Again 11-04-2006 03:44 PM

Cool!
 
I really like those slanted California style wheel wells. Looks very nice. Arizona is a great place to find older trailers without as many horrible floor and frame issues as those from wetter areas.

Hope you'll document your redo on the forum. Congrats!

Paula

azflycaster 11-04-2006 03:52 PM

You should have stopped by Brad's (flyfshr) house when you went through Phoenix. Then again, that might not have been a good idea. You might still be there!:lol:I think Brad's 59 had alot of paint on the interior. It's all gone now and the natural wood looks great. I am sure he will jump in here soon.

wkerfoot 11-04-2006 05:52 PM

Urbanfood,

Drop by the Malibu RV Park next Saturday. The El Camino Real Unit is having a rally and there are usually a few Flying Clouds in attendance, if you join you can become a member of the Flying Cloud Squadron.

Bill

urbanfood 11-04-2006 11:09 PM

canoe stream - i think much of the interior woodwork is original but it has been painted white and is in pretty poor shape. the stove/oven looks to be original although it's in really good shape for a 50 year old stove so i'm not sure. one thing i can save from the interior are the upper cabinets. i think they are aluminum so i'll take those out and strip them.

wkerfoot - thanks for the tip. not sure i can make though as i need to get an axle, wheels, and tires asap.

cloud55 11-05-2006 12:29 AM

Fullerton Clouds
 
Welcome David! And congratulations on your new obsession! My DBF, John, and I have a 55 flying cloud. There are some pictures of ours posted on these forums. They disappeared from pics under my id but still show up if you search pictures of flying clouds. Ours is the one with curbside kitchen sink and bed across rear.

We also have a neighbor that recently aquired a 56 cloud with the same layout as yours.

Happy to answer any questions if we can. Our shell is off and we are waiting for the new axle to come in. We have learned a lot from taking it apart and the great people and info on these forums.

Lynn:)

flyfshr 11-05-2006 07:23 AM

David ~

Did you drive through Phoenix on I-17 and not even let me know? Now that's disappointing. I'm four blocks off the freeway. I've completely gotten over passing on this trailer :) and would liked to have seen it in person. Richard's right, when I get to speaking vintage Airstreams, it turns in to a long discussion.

It is true, my interior had numerous coats of paint; the wood as well as the inner skins. We stripped it down to bare aluminum and painted it an off-white washable enamel.

Seems to me, in speaking with the PO, the bed in the back converts to a booth? He seemed to think it was original. An evidence of it being original?

Brad
FF

yukionna 11-05-2006 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by urbanfood
well, i joined the forums over a year ago and i finally bought my first airstream. it's a 22' 1956 flying cloud.

Nice find! I have a '54 FC and my floorplan is completely different -- mine is more like a Safari layout with front galley and side dinette.

urbanfood 11-05-2006 08:54 AM

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lynn - thanks for the info. the layout you have is similar to the layout i want to do, with the bed across the rear, kitchen curbside and dinette up front. what did you end up doing for your axle? did you keep the leaf springs? i leaning towards a henschen axle because it will make life a little easier. also, what are you doing about tires? i've been researching and there's not much room in the wheel well for the 225/75/r15 so i'm thinking of sticking with the 7.00 15 size. also, have you decided on your black, grey, and fresh water locations? i''d love to come out and see what you guys are up to and talk further.

brad - i thought about you as soon as we crossed the border into arizona on I-10 but we took the 60 northeast soon after so we didn't even get as far as phoenix. there is a booth kind of thing back there, it's mainly two bases though. it may be original. i've taken some pics. obviously someone has attached drawer pulls. what do you think?

the pics are of the "booth", the original woodwork beneath the paint (it looks to be an orange stained red oak and the original zolotone paint in the closet (sort of a pale green color with white speckling).

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cloud55 11-05-2006 10:13 AM

Hi David,

I really need to start a thread with what we have done so far...instead I have been adding to other threads here and there.

We ordered a new torsion axle from Dexter. Uwe helped us do this as we didn't know how to measure for it. Even with his expertise measuring...the manufacturer made it the wrong size and we are now waiting for it to come back in. Our axle didn't look bad and we could have stuck with new leaf springs but it just seemed that if we were ever going to modify it that now was the time while we had a bare frame to work with. Putting the torsion on involves welding the bracket on our older AS's. We needed to do some welding to put in tanks anyway. We will also be beefing up the frame a bit but it turned out to be in really good shape with little rust and no real compromise.

Bought tires before we picked ours up. We didn't have a clue and needed to take them with us so we went with the original size 7.00-15LT Goodyear Workhorse.

I posted what we are doing about our tanks on NorcalBambi's thread..."55FC the Whole ball of wax" posts 68 - 70. Sorry I don't know how to add a link to this. If you have trouble finding it just look at my profile and you will find my previous posts.

You are welcome to stop by anytime. There isn't a lot to look at right now. Just a shell in the air and a frame. I will pm you with our phone #.

BTW...how is your floor? Are you going to be replacing any plywood?

Lynn

urbanfood 11-05-2006 11:53 AM

hi lynn-

i'm going to take out the whole floor. one of the PO's put down 3/4 ply on top of the existing subfloor. i'll cut all of that out so i can get a good look at the frame. because it seems to have lived much of it's life in the southwest, i'm hoping some sanding and POR15 will take care of it. i do need to figure out where to put my tanks and see if i need to add/remove any crossbars. i'll check your thread out. maybe i'll come out when you guys are installing your tanks.

InsideOut 11-05-2006 12:45 PM

Congratulations!
 
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Originally Posted by urbanfood
also, there isn't a category for a 1956 flying cloud in the trailer forum so perhaps a moderator could create a category and move this post there, that would be great.

'tis done ~

Congratulations on your new trailer! Looks like a keeper ~

Shari :flowers:

wkerfoot 11-05-2006 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by urbanfood
hi lynn-

i'm going to take out the whole floor. one of the PO's put down 3/4 ply on top of the existing subfloor. i'll cut all of that out so i can get a good look at the frame. because it seems to have lived much of it's life in the southwest, i'm hoping some sanding and POR15 will take care of it. i do need to figure out where to put my tanks and see if i need to add/remove any crossbars. i'll check your thread out. maybe i'll come out when you guys are installing your tanks.

David,

We have the same overlayment on our Liner. As a result, full floor replacement and frame repair. Also, since a 1954, no holding tanks all 120V electric and since it appears to be a park model, no water tank. Fixing all of these items.

Bill

Creampuff 11-05-2006 03:53 PM

FC's RULE!!
 
My '57 FC (#8196) has pretty much the same interior and window layout, along with the side storage compartment. If you plan on hitting the rally in Malibu, I'm just over the hill if you want to check out what a year's worth of resto. has done for it. You'll also find a few photos in my gallery.
PM me if you want.

urbanfood 11-06-2006 09:10 AM

shari - thanks for creating the category and moving my post :)

creampuff - not sure i can make the rally as i really need a new axle and tires before i can tow it anywhere. maybe once i get that done, i'll send you a pm and bring the cloud by and check yours out. then we can just switch......

dmaiden 11-06-2006 10:07 AM

Hey David,
Congrats. It looks great. I bought my 63 FC in SoCal and hauled it to AZ. We should have swapped!

I just got mine gutted and pressure washed the inside yesterday, so it's making progress. I work in South Bay and would like to see it in person if it's not a 12 hour drive (3 miles in LA).

Dave

A-Merry-Can 11-06-2006 10:18 AM

another beautiful whale tail! i gotta finish up MY projects so i can FINALLY get one! beautiful trailer, man! i hope teh floor's solid under all that... but that extra floor was put down for a reason, me fears!

jp

urbanfood 11-09-2006 06:24 PM

urbanfood's 1956 flying cloud project
 
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hi all,

alrighty, i've started my shell off renovation of my new 1956 flying cloud, so this will be my documenting of progress page.

it took a couple of days to get everything ripped out and everything was in pretty bad shape. the only thing i'm saving are the upper cabinets. they are aluminum and light and should clean up nicely. you can see by the pix the floor the PO put down around the built-ins. there was a lot of monkeying around of things in there including a residential 6 gallon hot water heater. the floor rot is bad by the door and under the bathroom, but appears pretty solid elsewhere so i'm hoping the frame is in good shape. we'll find out soon. enjoy the pix.

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Fyrzowt 11-09-2006 07:08 PM

Good pictures - that always makes these progress reports come alive. You have entered a huge project as you know - these progress reports will probably help with your motivation because other members will show interest and make suggestions, or relate what they did on their project. Good luck, keep posting!

Mel 11-10-2006 08:35 AM

Good progress so far! You gotta love it when you have an Airstream that passed through the hands of a creative PO - just never quite know what you'll find. Good luck and keep posting your progress!

NorCal Bambi 11-10-2006 09:30 AM

Howdy Urbanfood, I have a 1955 FC that I've taken the shell off. My wife and I were so busy traveling in our 63 Bambi this summer that I didn't get any farther on the project. Know that it's winter I plan on getting back to it. Your trailer looks to be in much bettet shape than mine was. I plan on doing my own thing with the design of the interior when I get to it. Great pictures. Keep them coming. Have you worked on any interior plan ideas yet. I'd be interested in your ideas.
Don

urbanfood 11-10-2006 12:52 PM

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thanks for the kind words. don, i've been following your FC post, great work. i'm hoping to get the shell off within the next week and hopefully have back on within a month.

here is the floor plan i'm going to do. i need to figure out the details of the wet bath, but it should work. the only portion going to the ceiling is the wet bath walls and the vent for the kitchen sink. i'll shroud it in metal or something cool. the wall at the end of the kitchen counter toward the bed is a little higher than the counter to give a little more privacy but keep things open (it can't go to the ceiling because of the window). the low space between the bed and wet bath can be storage. i put the kitchen curbside because i wanted the gaucho in the location i'm showing it because that's a good place to sit and look out the door and window.

here's what i have planned for plumbing/electrical locations;

black, grey, and freshwater mounted in the floor on both sides of axle.

hot water heater and water pump under the sink.

furnace under the gaucho. does that make sense?

battery box under streetside dinette w/ 2 27 series batteries with fuse box converter and other electrical stuff. one thought is to put the batteries on the tongue behind the tanks (would this make the tongue weight too heavy?). is there something i can put on the other side of the dinette to counter balance? also, what about sleeping over the batteries even though they'll have a vented box and they'll be at your feet?

i can fit a house a/c unit in the window above the gaucho for the couple of months i'd actually need it. that way i don't have to disturb the profile of the roof and i don't need permanent a/c. plus i already own the a/c.

i'm going to install a couple of fantastic fans at the existing openings at each end of the coach in the ceiling and have one for air intake and the other for exhaust.

two burner stove with convection microwave below.

the above are only my thoughts so far (and not necessarily correct) and any feedback or recommendations is welcome as this is an evolving process.

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Fyrzowt 11-11-2006 12:34 AM

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furnace under the gaucho. does that make sense?
Yes, that's where many of them are, including my '72 Globetrotter.

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one thought is to put the batteries on the tongue behind the tanks (would this make the tongue weight too heavy?
Some folks get nervous about putting a second battery on the tongue but I've seen it done.
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also, what about sleeping over the batteries even though they'll have a vented box and they'll be at your feet?
If the battery is in a sealed box, and vented to the exterior I see no issues. Perhaps someone else sees a problem that I don't.

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i'm going to install a couple of fantastic fans at the existing openings at each end of the coach in the ceiling and have one for air intake and the other for exhaust.
These are great, work good

Dave

CaddyGrn 11-11-2006 12:40 AM

I vote no on the AC in the window... We have one installed under the goucho... others have done the same. No sense in spoiling the view... But, I know how we need our AC in the summer... so sometimes we do what we gotta do...

Keep up the good work, maybe it will inspire my hubby to work on his flying cloud! (Better weather would, for sure!)

Mrs. NorCal Bambi (traveling in S Tardis)

CaptainJones 11-11-2006 08:19 AM

One small thought. If you reverse the hinges of your wet bath and swing the door the other way you could create a semi private space for changing clothes in the back of the trailer. With careful planning you could create a door large enough to go completely across to the opposite counter area. Your children may be small now, but they do grow up.

NorCal Bambi 11-11-2006 08:30 AM

urbanfood, thanks fot the floor plan. I like your layout. We will probably go with twin beds in the back. Crawling over someone in the middle of the night is not the best idea when one gets older. Sleeping all night doesn't seem to be an option. Don't know if you have looked at Uwe's thread yet. he put his airconcditioner under and on the inside.
Don

urbanfood 11-11-2006 10:29 AM

i like the idea of the a/c under the gaucho instead. does anyone have any pictures of that installation? i'd want to do it so i can take it out, i.e. a nonpermanent solution. i could install an access door that is closed and locked when the a/c is not in.

captain jones - love the idea of reversing the door swing. i can certainly make it so it just about goes to the counter area. that will create a great little changing area. thanks for that idea!

norcal - i thought about the crawling over each other but my wife are still in the cuddling phase of our marriage so hopefully the bed will work for the next several years. if it changes, i could always sleep on the floor :lol:

Aerowood 11-11-2006 05:28 PM

cool
 
Great minds must think alike, as I am planning an almost identical floorplan for my 1971 21' Globetrotter. I will have a window in my bath area though. I need to also install a gray water tank and I really need to start looking for a black water tank to wrap aroung the wheel well.

NorCal Bambi 11-11-2006 10:06 PM

Laughed out loud. Thanks.
Don

urbanfood 11-12-2006 05:24 PM

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alrighty, making some progress. i removed all of the lower interior panels. once you get the hang of drilling out the rivets, it's pretty easy. i did find some corrosion near the bath between the copper pipe and the alluminum. it even corroded some of the aluminim panel. it's a big sheet but i may replace it. i've included some pix of the corrosion.

also, i began removing some rivets from the lower exterior shell which separates the shell from the c-channel. however i thought the purpose of removing the lower interior panels was to have access to the c-channel and remove the c-channel from the subfloor so when you lift the shell, the c-channel comes with it. but the way i'm doing it, is freeing the shell from the c-channel so when i lift the shell, the c-channel stays with the subfloor. am i missing something here? i've posted a pic of that as well.

i've also included a pic of the panels laid out on the lawn. i'll probably end up replacing a couple of them.

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cloud55 11-13-2006 08:37 AM

No David your not missing anything. Here is how it went together:
1- plywood with insulation stapled to bottom was bolted to frame
2- c channel screwed to plywood floor
3- bellyskin wrapped around bottom and riveted to channel to hold in place
4- shell back on, shell, u channel, and belly skin riveted together.

I didn't realize that you were moving this fast....very good. Just remember to make a floor pattern before it starts to fall apart on you. Back in the 50s the curves could vary from side to side and it will be a pita to get your shell back on with a bad fit. A lot of people don't have a floor to work with and lower the shell down and trace around it for a floor pattern.
I numbered and marked our c channels on the floor pattern that I made. Some of the channels got too tweaked to reuse but at least we will know exactly where to attatch to the floor and what sizes to make.

I don't know if it has been mentioned to you yet but...do not throw anything away. Even if you are planning to have new cabinets the old cabinets will come in handy for patterns of the wall curves. They really don't take up much room when you pack it away neatly. We have our whole interior stacked in a small space.

Even if you are doing a new interior, people that are doing a restore will really appreciate the smallest of parts. You can pass them on or ebay them to help pay for your new stuff.

Great to see your progress. Thanks for posting!
Lynn

urbanfood 11-13-2006 09:30 AM

hi lynn,

thanks for the clarification on how it goes together. that's what i thought but i guess with all the pages i've been reading, it's easy to get confused and i was expecting something different, but now i get it.

i did save all the cabinetry work. the PO really did a hack job on some of the stuff and modified some of the cabinetry. the curved panels will be useful for templates. i'm excited to reuse the overhead bins as they're aluminum, nice and light and should clean up nicely. what i essentially bought was a shell.

did you remove all the interior panels? i'm a little worried about removing the 13 interior panels from the front and rear and getting them lined back up and looking correctly.

cloud55 11-14-2006 12:35 AM

did you remove all the interior panels? i'm a little worried about removing the 13 interior panels from the front and rear and getting them lined back up and looking correctly.

Havent done it yet but it is my understanding that the upper ends don't need to come apart completely. You actually leave most of it together and just remove rivets that connect the edges so it comes out in the dome shape with most of the pieces still riveted together. I think it would be a bear to get it back together if you took every piece apart.

We just have the lower skins off now and don't plan to remove anymore until we start rewiring. We may try to work around taking those ends out if we can.

On first thought we wanted to replace all of the insulation until we took the lower skins off and saw how clean everything was. It pretty much looked like new. I think I will be able to sleep in there if we don't replace the insulation behind those ends if thats the only reason we have to get in there.

Lynn

cloud55 11-14-2006 12:54 AM

I forgot to mention something from your previous post regarding the window air conditioner...John and I were at a rally in Temecula and it was scorching hot out there. A couple of people had portable scaffolding rigged up with window air units sitting on them and blowing into a side window.

I had thought about doing this and taking one of our small window units with us as needed. I am not much of a desert camper so it will be a rare occasion that we should need air when camping so I hate to take up valuable space for a couple of times a year. Also can't use air unless you have hook ups or run a generator.

I wouldn't permanently install an air conditioner hanging out a window but as an occasional solution this worked. We took some pictures of the set up and have them here somewhere.

We may just install one under the gaucho. Uwe did a really nice install on a window unit under his bed. It is in his 63 for me thread.

Lynn

urbanfood 01-28-2007 02:18 PM

hi all,

after a two a half month hiatus, i'm ready to get back to work on the cloud. between the holidays and the fact that i just finished studying for my california oral architect's exam, i haven't had any spare time. now i can see how these projects can drag on for a year or more :lol:

looks like there's lots of activity to catch up with on the board. i'm going to get the framing installed this week and get the shell ready to pull off (just in time for the rainy season).

good to be back here.

urbanfood 02-09-2007 11:08 PM

finally it's off!
 
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alrighty, i finally got the shell off. :D

getting it off wasn't too bad, moving the shell was a little awkward. it took 5 of us to move it 30' to it's new home in the backyard.

the floor is bad in spots but overall is together so i'll have a real good template. the c-channel that is attached to the floor is in great shape too, especially the curved section so i can definately use that.

the belly pan actually wraps up and over the c-channel and back down. even though i popped the rivets to get the shell off, i still need to drill out the core of the rivets to get the belly pan off.

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NorCal Bambi 02-09-2007 11:48 PM

It's looking good. What a great step to have completed. Also great that you "C " channel is in good shape.
Don

urbanfood 02-10-2007 04:54 PM

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"nasty" is my word for today. it took me about 4 hours to remove the bellypan and it was absolutely dirty and disgusting. i think it'll be the worst part of the job.

the belly pan was in four major pieces and a couple of minor ones and i was able to save them which will help me make the template for the new bellypan which hopefully won't be too bad.

the floor is in bad shape, however it is still together, so i need to figure out how to make a template. the curved portions of the c-channel are in great shape and are made of a stiffer aluminum. the straight channel pieces are pretty good for the most part but the aluminum is flimsy.

on first inspection, the frame looks to be in good shape. the PO cut a piece out of a couple of the outriggers to make room for a drain pipe but those can be easily replaced. i may add a few more in too.

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NorCal Bambi 04-10-2007 08:18 AM

urbanfood, Have you had a chance to work on the FC lately. I haven't touched mine. However hope to get some work done this summer. It's amazing how the critters take over after years and years of the trailer just sitting.
Don

safari57 04-10-2007 08:47 AM

Yep, I've also been wondering how you are doing with your project. An update, if it's not imposing, would be great. And thanks for raising it Don.

Barry

urbanfood 04-22-2007 01:51 PM

hi don, barry, et all,

i wish i had an update for you but i don't. i haven't done much to it since february. now i'm in the process of killing the grass where my FC sits.

my time has been occupied between my business, my house under construction, and my 8 1/2 month old, oh and my wife. i'm gonna start working on the FC soon.

thanks for your continued interest :)

safari57 04-22-2007 09:45 PM

Hey David

Life happens. You have the trailer and that's the biggest thing. As long as you don't lose interest or that it becomes more of a burden/work project than a fun thing to do you are okay. It's when we set deadlines that suddenly loom and we feel obligated to meet that projects get sold off unfinished, or if they become more work or expensive than was originally budgeted.

Take your time, have fun doing it, grass grows back as my lawn mower can attest too, and in the end you'll be happy with your FC.

If you need pictures or a sanity check don't hesitate to ask. We've all enjoy watching the projects progress and get worried when one seems to going silent.

Barry

urbanfood 07-12-2007 07:07 PM

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here's my thought about tank locations.

i have a question about the waste lines running under the frame. the main members are 4" deep. i figure i have to run the 3" waste lines underneath giving me 7" down from the top of the frame. it seems like that would be getting close to the ground. i purposely kept the tanks at 5"& 6" deep to minimize things hanging below the 4" main frame, but maybe i don't have to since the waste lines need to run under the main frame.

if i remember right, my belly pan was attached to the underside of the 4" frame. so because i'm adding the tanks, does that mean my bellypan will drop 3 or 4 inches? i feel like i'm getting low. how do the new airstreams accomplish this? and how do the old ones that have been retrofitted with tanks do this?

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urbanfood 08-16-2007 04:14 PM

i've decided to bite the bullet and call in some help to get this thing moving along. with my busy schedule my dream of being able to do all this axle stuff myself has fallen by the wayside. i've had the shell off since february and not much has happened since.

i went out to inland rv yesterday and met with greg. i'm going to tow the frame out there and have him put on a henschen axle, fix the A coupler on the front of the trailer and the really exciting thing; i'm going to have him put on the kodiak disc brake system. this whole thing will be pricey but in the long run will be worth it.

i've also ordered the marathon goodyear tires (yes i've read all the threads but i still decided to go with them) Compare Tire Search Results

and ordered steel rims and baby moon hubcaps Steel Trailer Wheels .

this is going to be a big step for me and a big hurdle. i'm breaking thru the analysis paralysis thing.

urbanfood 08-16-2007 04:52 PM

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Jim & Susan 08-16-2007 07:12 PM

Hey, the house looks great! If the Airstream come out that nice, you'll be in great shape.

Jim

krikles 08-16-2007 07:17 PM

Looks like a page out of DWELL mag - super cool! Love the new horizontal fencing...

3Ms75Argosy 08-16-2007 07:45 PM

Great job! I love the clean modern look inside - awesome job!
Marc

Alumatube 08-16-2007 08:33 PM

Wow -- your house is beautiful! NICE work!

Please be sure to get some pictures of your frame hooked up to tow! That will be funny to see. :)

Thanks!
Susan :)

Safari-Rick 08-16-2007 11:36 PM

WOW! is all I can say for a man who can truly "multi-task".

R
Safari-Rick

sequoiacoast 08-17-2007 09:17 AM

Well, that IS a good excuse! Your house is unbelievable, I can't wait to see your Airstream!

A-Merry-Can 08-17-2007 11:41 AM

It might be easier at this point to put wheels on the house.... based on the comments so far!

;-)

jp

urbanfood 08-18-2007 08:16 PM

thanks for the kudos all! i wasn't fishing but heck i'll take it :)

so i went down to southwest coaches today in irvine to check out the airstreams. it was very cool.it's this huge rv lot that is kind of like a campground loop. they have several rv dealers in the loop and all kinds of SOB, toy haulers, etc.

we checked out the basecamp which was really cool. we probably spent a couple of hours going in and out of the different models. one of the salesman there, dave was very helpful. i told him straight up that i'm restoring a 56 flying cloud and was here to get ideas. he was very nice to my wife and child and still gave us the tour. very friendly place.

the rear entry safaris were pretty cool. our favorites were the international CCDs with the aluminum interior. that's what i've been wanting to do in my FC all along but this is the first time i've seen it in person and it was really cool. i really liked a bambi i saw there that had darker wood/aluminum interior and it looked really rich/cool/modern. i would think the dark colors would make it feel smaller inside but it really didn't. that's the way i'm going to go with the FC.

i'm sure i'll be making some more trips down there as this process moves along.

safari57 08-19-2007 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by urbanfood
thanks for the kudos all! i wasn't fishing but heck I'll take it :)

so i went down to southwest coaches today in irvine to check out the airstreams. it was very cool.it's this huge rv lot that is kind of like a campground loop. they have several rv dealers in the loop and all kinds of SOB, toy haulers, etc.

we checked out the basecamp which was really cool. we probably spent a couple of hours going in and out of the different models. one of the salesman there, dave was very helpful. i told him straight up that i'm restoring a 56 flying cloud and was here to get ideas. he was very nice to my wife and child and still gave us the tour. very friendly place.

the rear entry safaris were pretty cool. our favorites were the international CCDs with the aluminum interior. that's what i've been wanting to do in my FC all along but this is the first time i've seen it in person and it was really cool. i really liked a bambi i saw there that had darker wood/aluminum interior and it looked really rich/cool/modern. i would think the dark colors would make it feel smaller inside but it really didn't. that's the way i'm going to go with the FC.

i'm sure i'll be making some more trips down there as this process moves along.

David

It can be extremely dangerous going to look at new and newer Airstreams while part way through a total vintage restoration. One can easily see a new(er) one finding it's way home and the restoration becoming a longer term project. NOT that there is anything wrong with that if it makes sense for your family to get out and camping now versus later - but it is a situation virtually every Airstream salesperson is aware of - you are already convinced that Airstream is the marque of choice, and having 2 or more is quite common.

I also prefer the darker colors. It brings back memories of staying in very old log cabins at Moraine Lake with my uncle as a kid. When I think of being outdoors that's what immediately comes to my mind.

The house is outstanding. I'm sure the neighbors are amazed at how you have transformed it, and it has clearly added value to the whole street.

Barry

urbanfood 08-23-2007 06:38 PM

alrighty, making progress.

i'm taking my frame out to inland rv tomorrow to drop it off. they're going to put a 4000# axle, kodiak disc brake system, new tongue and manual tongue jack, and the airstream bal jacks (stabilizer).

i received and had mounted my marathon goodyear tires. the baby moons look very cute, can't wait to put them on.

i've also ordered several things today;

1. stainless steel 30 amp power inlet
https://www.jamestowndistributors.co...el+Power+Inlet

2. stainless steel water fill
https://www.jamestowndistributors.co...Water%2C+Waste

3. city water inlet
Save at RV Partscenter - RV Parts and Supply

4. shurflo smart sensor 4.0
Save at RV Partscenter - RV Parts and Supply

5. shurflo strainer
Save at RV Partscenter - RV Parts and Supply

6. fresh water tank vent (thanks safari tim for the link!)
eBay Motors: Stainless Steel Marine Fuel Tank Vent w/ Splash Guard (item 120109763014 end time Sep-13-07 10:43:57 PDT)

thanks to everyone for help and opinions in helping me select the above items. i'm still trying to figure out a good sewer cleaning solution. the post i made about using the sewer solution and quickie flush didn't seem to garner much positive response, so i'm rethinking that.

safari57 08-23-2007 07:09 PM

It's Christmas in August David. Outstanding. You are going to have one sweet Cloud by the time you are done.

Look forward to pictures with those B'moons on the trailer.

Barry

urbanfood 08-23-2007 07:22 PM

barry, you didn't know that????

in the States, we celebrate christmas twice a year!

safari57 08-23-2007 08:33 PM

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barry, you didn't know that????

in the States, we celebrate Christmas twice a year!

Okay, that's it, I'm moving South!!!

No wonder Moderator Mel can have two, count 'em, two Airstreams at Deming at the same time two years in a row.

Christmas twice a year - my favorite holiday. And one of them we won't be fending off huge rain either.

Thanks for the tip, David.

Barry

urbanfood 10-03-2007 09:37 PM

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hot off the press!

greg over at inland rv sent me these two pics today. we're still waiting for the axle to arrive, but you can see the new coupler, jack stand, and box for the disc brake system (temporarily mounted so i can drive the trailer home).

greg also removed the leaf springs and mounted the plates to accept the new axle. notice those red boxes, they hold the kodiak disc brakes. can't wait to try them out.

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SteSpot 12-01-2007 12:56 PM

Any updates?
 
Wondering what is happening now.....pj

urbanfood 12-02-2007 05:16 PM

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finally progress again...

i picked up the trailer from inland rv on thursday. i also had greg install a spare tire carrier which is what is on the newer airstreams. it fits perfect in the space. i wasn't smart enough to ordered three tires when i order my new marathons. now i have to order a spare tire and wheel.

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also, i've been contemplating tank sizes for almost a year now and i've finally decided on the sizes. i'm happy to report i'm going much bigger than originally planned. my tank sizes are as follows'

fresh 44 gallons
grey 33 gallons
black 22 gallons

i built mock up cardboard sizes today and they fit great. i've attached pictures;

fresh Attachment 50270 fresh Attachment 50271
fresh hangs down almost as far as the spare tire carrier, it should be fine.

grey (left) black (right)
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waste tanks curbside view
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outlets will work great black is in the foreground, you can see the circles for the outlets
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notice the gray will be flush with the floor and the black is under the cross member. my only concern is the 27" of width of the gray with no support in between for floor. it's location is mostly under the bed so i don't think it'll be a problem. i'm going to order the tanks tomorrow and also the por 15. i need to get some steel, get it cut, then have the welder come over. i haven't completely figured out the best way to support the tanks.

one small snag on the wheel wells. you can see from the pix that the new shock sticks just above the top of the frame. i've looked at this and don't see how the shock could be lowered. i'm going to give greg a call tomorrow but i don't think there's anything he'd be able to do. i could just ditch the shocks but i do like the idea of having them. i think i need to simply make a wider wheel well as they need to be remade anyway.
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safari57 12-02-2007 07:01 PM

David

Great progress. You will appreciate the larger tank capacities. Great idea on the spare - once I get my trailer up another couple of inches I will reconsider putting the spare underneath as you have done.

One thing - I see you must have cut and paste these pictures to eliminate any signs of snow. Good work. Makes those of us who are experiencing early Christmas like weather wish we were living elsewhere.

Barry

urbanfood 12-10-2007 12:06 PM

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here's my new floor plan. i now will have a wrap around dinette (after seeing forum member creampuff's). i've slid the bathroom towards the front a touch so it align with the wheelwell and also i can use the opening for the old exhaust fan where the stove used to be and have an exhaust fan in the bathroom. this freed up 2' wide of space between the bed and bathroom. i could use it for a desk which i'd really like for laptop/printer, or maybe some sort of storage. any ideas?

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also here is the new framing plan. i'm going to have two 21 gallon freshwater tanks which will allow the tanks not to hang down as much. you can see that the tanks are on either side of the axle, i think it's good distribution. i need to find a good welder.

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and finally, here's the bathroom section. i've been struggling with this one for awhile and finally have a solution for the wet bath. i'm buying the shower pan/toilet combo as one piece and i need to raise it up 4" or so to allow for the shower to drain to the grey tank, above floor of course. this makes me very happy as now i can order the tanks, toilet, and shower pan.

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as an architect, i tend to think too much on paper, but i must say the design of this has been more difficult than a house in some ways, mainly you don't have any extra room and there's a lot of function to fit in such a small space. things are so tight, it's hard to know what you have until you physically have the pieces.

Aerowood 12-10-2007 12:28 PM

I don't see a black tank vent, or is it on another view? I am planning on raising my shower pan too, but I was only thinking around 2 inches. I also plan on running a heater duct in part of the raised space to feed warm air into the freshwater and graywater tank cavities.

urbanfood 12-10-2007 12:32 PM

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I am planning on raising my shower pan too, but I was only thinking around 2 inches.

will you have enough clearance for the drain to slope to the gray tank?

the black vent ties with the gray, about 1' above the floor. i can see on the drawing a piece that wasn't colored gray that should have been to indicate the vent going down to the black tank.

i haven't decided if i'm going to heat the tanks or not yet. my inclination was originally no, but now that i have that raised shower pan, it's easy enough to do it. i'll ponder that one for a bit.

Aerowood 12-10-2007 01:51 PM

I was thinking about slotting the floorboard with a doubler under the slot, and with a 1.5 inch drain I should get around 3/4 to 1 in. of slope. You know how the best laid plan works out though. I most likely will figure it out on install. I'm currently at a stall until some snow goes away. I really shouldn't have started on that 11 foot long skin replace.

fastrob 12-10-2007 02:01 PM

Sweet!!
 
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and finally, here's the bathroom section. i've been struggling with this one for awhile and finally have a solution for the wet bath. i'm buying the shower pan/toilet combo as one piece and i need to raise it up 4" or so to allow for the shower to drain to the grey tank, above floor of course. this makes me very happy as now i can order the tanks, toilet, and shower pan.
.

Who is the supplier for the shower pan/toilet combo?
Nice graphics.
Good plan.

R

3Ms75Argosy 12-10-2007 02:39 PM

As an aside, I know Airstream used to use a very flat (it basically turns 90 degrees, instead of the loop down) p-trap for under the showers, you wouldn't need to drill into your floorplan with that. I have seen a simular animal for the sink in the basecamp, but it drains into a 1/2" flex pipe barb... I think you would need a bigger diameter for the shower water volume.
Marc

fotochop 12-10-2007 03:14 PM

motorized trailer dollY?
 
"i'll definately need to get a motorized trailer dolly because it's so tight."

I have the exact same issue, I have to hold my breath to pass between the fence and open the door! where can I get a 'motorized trailer dolly'?

you brought up another issue regarding tire size. mine are practicallly impossible to get off/change. never occured to me to use a smaller tire. pros? cons?

thanks, enjoy the resto!

fotochop

Zeppelinium 12-10-2007 04:07 PM

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...
you brought up another issue regarding tire size. mine are practicallly impossible to get off/change. never occured to me to use a smaller tire. pros? cons?
...
fotochop

I had the same problem with my Caravel until I got new axles. With the hub a little bit lower, it was easy to change the tire. How's your axle?

Zep

safari57 12-10-2007 04:31 PM

With my trailer slightly raised I could move my tanks from inside the trailer to underneath, and follow the path that David is suggesting for his. That would free up a bit of space inside but more importantly allow me to effectively have a wet bath. Hmmmm, great pictures/plans. They really have me thinking about how to redo mine to complete the wet bath component that's been stalled for a while. I suspect in my case I'll have to build a shower pan out of stainless or aluminum - it's unlikely I'll find an existing shower pan to retrofit my set up. I do need to gain more clearance though. Not much, two to three inches max would work. I already have a fairly low scrubline and want/need to address that anyway.

David, it's not that hard to learn how to weld. Welding equipment isn't that expensive, particularly for the type of work you need done. Or am I missing something here and you need to redo a significant portion of your frame? It's a great way to justify to the non-polish-able love of your life the acquisition of new tools:innocent: .

Barry

urbanfood 12-10-2007 05:30 PM

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Who is the supplier for the shower pan/toilet combo?

i searched for months to find this product. i posted it somewhere else on the board, but here it is, enjoy RV Replacement Parts Product listing


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"I have the exact same issue, I have to hold my breath to pass between the fence and open the door! where can I get a 'motorized trailer dolly'?

expensive, but.... AC Trailer Dollies,DC Trailer Dollies,Fifth Wheel Dollies,Electric ATVS


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I suspect in my case I'll have to build a shower pan out of stainless or aluminum - it's unlikely I'll find an existing shower pan to retrofit my set up.

check the RV Replacement Parts Product listing they have quite a few configurations.


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David, it's not that hard to learn how to weld. Welding equipment isn't that expensive, particularly for the type of work you need done. Or am I missing something here and you need to redo a significant portion of your frame? It's a great way to justify to the non-polish-able love of your life the acquisition of new tools:innocent: .

i know, i've been wanting to learn to weld for a long time. i do have a friend who has done some stick welding but he is a little rusty. there's a few community classes that start in january but i'm ready now :rolleyes: . my frame is in good shape, i do need to weld 5 new cross members though to accomodate the new tank installation plus the supports. i prefer to do it myself so i can get them exactly where i want them. is there anyone in the los angeles area that could help show me the ropes?

i'll probably end up buying welding equipment soon anyway. i think about my 17 month old son and the skills and tools i can pass on to him as he gets older (maybe that's just a good excuse for getting new toys for me:) ). instead of video games, he'll get all kinds of tools so he can redo his first airstream before he turns 16.

fotochop 12-10-2007 05:56 PM

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I had the same problem with my Caravel until I got new axles. With the hub a little bit lower, it was easy to change the tire. How's your axle?

Zep

My '69 Safari axles are at "horizontal" with normal load so I guess it's a toss up on replacement...now anyway. I'm currently looking at $400-$600 furnace replacement, plus another grand or so in other little items (including a LOT of bellypan riveting. On my haul back home (1100 miles) I did catch one flat tire, a one inch break/slit on the INSIDE of the tire and I think this makes me more suspicious of the axle situation, but the PO had the trailer sitting up for a year or so (didn't use the leveling jacks....WHY do people not bother to take weight off the tires/axles???? drives me batty!)

Love the architect-quality layout drawings in this thread, wish I had me some mad CAD skills (along with some mad welding/riveting/electrical ones...) but learn as you go I spoze..

Also LOVE the front end spare tire storage thingy from Inland! I gotta get one of those too. I had to remove the previous welded homemade (but nice) spare storer off the back of my unit to fit in the back yard...made it with six inches to spare.

fotochop

Frank's Trailer Works 12-11-2007 06:22 AM

I'm out here reading as many threads before the floor comes out and have enjoyed this on tremdously. Here are my question: 22 gallon blank tank. Is that somewhat large? I think 22 gallons of "black" would take a long time to fill. Does one need that much? Are your pipes and tanks going to run below the belly pan? If they did, wouldn't that make heating the tanks and pipes a waste of hot air?

uwe 12-11-2007 07:28 AM

[quote=urbanfood]here's my new floor plan. i now will have a wrap around dinette (after seeing forum member creampuff's). i've slid the bathroom towards the front a touch so it align with the wheelwell and also i can use the opening for the old exhaust fan where the stove used to be and have an exhaust fan in the bathroom. this freed up 2' wide of space between the bed and bathroom. i could use it for a desk which i'd really like for laptop/printer, or maybe some sort of storage. any ideas?

Unless I am spacing out, I see no tall storage ( or much other storage) in your design, as for hanging clothes or for a pantry etc. The space between the bath and the bed would be ideal for that. Then you can run a vent pipe through it and to the roof as well.
Also, raising the shower floor 4" might limit your headroom considerably, and make for an awkward step-in arrangement. Have you considered mounting the pan on the floor ( or just slightly above it) and feeding the grey water under the floor to the side of the tank? It will fill, so long that there is a vent line connected to the very top. As a matter off act, you cen connect the shower and sink drain to the side bottom, if you need to. I did that to the grey tank on my 71 TradeWind, and never once had a problem with it. You can use a compact p-trap for the shower drain, perhaps with a bigger hose than the one shown in the link. RV PARTS OUTLET

Zeppelinium 12-11-2007 08:13 AM

This design discussion prompts me to ask question that's been on my mind for some time--other than regulations, is there a practical reason for having a black and gray tank? Why not one? I suppose you can dump gray water on public lands, as long as you comply with the rule for x distance from trails, streams, and campsites, but that implies some balance between black and gray tanks that would rely on a prediction of the probability you could dump the gray but not the black. Help me out here--I don't think I want to go to one holding tank (except when I'm fixing the dump valves), but I don't see the practicallity of two tanks.

Which brings me to another thought--if you have a separate gray tank, are traps really necessary? How bad can the gray tank get in a few days? To me, this has a huge impact on winterizing. If you operate in cold weather with bottled water in order to keep the pipes empty, the only freeze problem is the traps. Pouring antifreeze in the drains every night is a pain (forced air heat isn't a good option if you boondock and there's no good way to judge how cold it is under the floor or behind the cabinets). The holding tanks aren't really a problem--they're big enough that they don't freeze quickly and they have expansion space (I hope I'm right about this), or a little antifreeze after you dump should solve the prolbem until the next dump.

Not to let an opportunity go by, now to vent about vents. The Sovereign has two 1-1/2" vents for the gray water. If the tank is so weirdly shaped, why not use a 1/2" flexible cross-fed from the top of one section to the top of the other? That ought to be sufficient relief. And these vents stick up in the damdest places if you want to move the closet or something. Now I feel great!

Urbanfood, I do have one question on your design. You have party seating for 7-8 people and dining seating for 5, but only sleeping for 2 (OK, more if you're friendly, I admit). What's the design objective here?

Zep

uwe 12-11-2007 08:53 AM

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This design discussion prompts me to ask question that's been on my mind for some time--other than regulations, is there a practical reason for having a black and gray tank? Why not one? I suppose you can dump gray water on public lands, as long as you comply with the rule for x distance from trails, streams, and campsites, but that implies some balance between black and gray tanks that would rely on a prediction of the probability you could dump the gray but not the black. Help me out here--I don't think I want to go to one holding tank (except when I'm fixing the dump valves), but I don't see the practicallity of two tanks.

You pretty much answered your own question already, but to add to this is that you can hide away 2 or 3 separate tanks much easier than one 50 or 60gal combination tank. It offers more design and layout choices. Plus, if the waste water backs up into the shower pan, it's infinitely more pleasant if it is grey water only.

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Which brings me to another thought--if you have a separate gray tank, are traps really necessary? How bad can the gray tank get in a few days? To me, this has a huge impact on winterizing. If you operate in cold weather with bottled water in order to keep the pipes empty, the only freeze problem is the traps. Pouring antifreeze in the drains every night is a pain (forced air heat isn't a good option if you boondock and there's no good way to judge how cold it is under the floor or behind the cabinets). The holding tanks aren't really a problem--they're big enough that they don't freeze quickly and they have expansion space (I hope I'm right about this), or a little antifreeze after you dump should solve the prolbem until the next dump.

I believe that traps of some sort are definitely necessary. Grey water doesn't smell good, either...and gets foul surprisingly fast. Winterizing is a bummer, but that's pretty much the way it needs to be. One way around the P-traps for the enterprising owner would be to install one way valves to the pipes, but I am not sure of the mechanical quality of those devices in a low pressure environment like drains.


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Not to let an opportunity go by, now to vent about vents. The Sovereign has two 1-1/2" vents for the gray water. If the tank is so weirdly shaped, why not use a 1/2" flexible cross-fed from the top of one section to the top of the other? That ought to be sufficient relief. And these vents stick up in the damdest places if you want to move the closet or something. Now I feel great!

You can move the vents around with flexible hose, and I see no particular reason to not combine vents with drain lines, so long that the drains go inot hte top of the tank. I did this on my Overlander, and haven't had problem 1 with the plumbing/venting/draining. I think 1/2in might be too small, inviting the opportunity got a clog in a most difficult place to access.

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Urbanfood, I do have one question on your design. You have party seating for 7-8 people and dining seating for 5, but only sleeping for 2 (OK, more if you're friendly, I admit). What's the design objective here?

Zep

Can you say "Happy Hour?

Zeppelinium 12-11-2007 09:13 AM

Thanks, UWE, I agree.

One major problem with your "happy hour." It's possible to be happy without 2BuckChuck, but not likely (in my case). I don't see any in the photo...

Zep

Aerowood 12-11-2007 09:51 AM

I,ve got 4 cases of 2 buck sitting in the GV in Long Beach as we speak

uwe 12-11-2007 10:27 AM

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Thanks, UWE, I agree.

One major problem with your "happy hour." It's possible to be happy without 2BuckChuck, but not likely (in my case). I don't see any in the photo...

Zep

Well, a precision crafted dry Martini gets pretty close...

urbanfood 12-11-2007 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 62overlander
Here are my question: 22 gallon blank tank. Is that somewhat large? I think 22 gallons of "black" would take a long time to fill. Does one need that much? Are your pipes and tanks going to run below the belly pan? If they did, wouldn't that make heating the tanks and pipes a waste of hot air?

22 gallons is on the larger side for my needs but the tank configuration fits. if i went smaller, i'd still be using the same amount of space between the rails.
i'm not sure about heating the tanks yet, but they would be heated from above. yes, the tanks will hang below the belly pan but be insulated. i agree, i think it's a waste of hot air too. however i could have the duct run and have it closed and only open it on the freezing nights (with a wife and baby that means never) when i want to keep the tanks from freezing.
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Unless I am spacing out, I see no tall storage ( or much other storage) in your design, as for hanging clothes or for a pantry etc. The space between the bath and the bed would be ideal for that. Then you can run a vent pipe through it and to the roof as well.

i knew you were going to call me on that uwe. that's the first thing that popped into my mind when i went with the desk idea, that uwe's gonna chime in asking where the tall storage is... that would be a good pantry location...i just like the idea of having a little desk that i can sit at quietly in the morning, maybe on the next trailer.

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Also, raising the shower floor 4" might limit your headroom considerably, and make for an awkward step-in arrangement. Have you considered mounting the pan on the floor ( or just slightly above it) and feeding the grey water under the floor to the side of the tank? It will fill, so long that there is a vent line connected to the very top. As a matter off act, you cen connect the shower and sink drain to the side bottom, if you need to. I did that to the grey tank on my 71 TradeWind, and never once had a problem with it. You can use a compact p-trap for the shower drain, perhaps with a bigger hose than the one shown in the link. RV PARTS OUTLET

i thought about draining into the side of the tank but then i thought about grey water coming back up through the shower. you have the shower drain connected at the bottom of the grey tank? huh, that works?

i'd prefer to not have to mount the shower so high. i'll look into the more compact p trap.

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Originally Posted by Zeppelinium
This design discussion prompts me to ask question that's been on my mind for some time--other than regulations, is there a practical reason for having a black and gray tank?

i thought about that too, or more specifially, why can't i just drain the shower into the black tank, it would be so much easier. BUT i think you answered the question further along in your post.

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Originally Posted by Zeppelinium
Urbanfood, I do have one question on your design. You have party seating for 7-8 people and dining seating for 5, but only sleeping for 2 (OK, more if you're friendly, I admit). What's the design objective here?

i plan on hosting some cabaret style lounge parties at the rallies. need to find an act ;)

the sleeping will work fine for our needs, my wife and i will sleep in the bed in the rear, and two kids can sleep up at the dinnette (table will fold down) and one more kid can sleep on the gaucho (we only have one right now)

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Well, a precision crafted dry Martini gets pretty close...

maybe uwe will have the honors when this flying cloud makes its rally debut :)

uwe 12-11-2007 11:30 AM

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22 gallons is on the larger side for my needs but the tank configuration fits. if i went smaller, i'd still be using the same amount of space between the rails.
i'm not sure about heating the tanks yet, but they would be heated from above. yes, the tanks will hang below the belly pan but be insulated. i agree, i think it's a waste of hot air too. however i could have the duct run and have it closed and only open it on the freezing nights (with a wife and baby that means never) when i want to keep the tanks from freezing.

You can also install electric tank heaters. It's a 12V or 120V mat that installs right under the tank. Or, at least provide wiring for that. Not so good for boondocking in subzero temps, but then why on earth would anyone do that anyways.

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i knew you were going to call me on that uwe. that's the first thing that popped into my mind when i went with the desk idea, that uwe's gonna chime in asking where the tall storage is... that would be a good pantry location...i just like the idea of having a little desk that i can sit at quietly in the morning, maybe on the next trailer.

Well, someone needs to look after you, right? You won't be sitting quietly with kids in the trailer....been there. Any movement at all, and they will want to be a part of it.


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i thought about draining into the side of the tank but then i thought about grey water coming back up through the shower. you have the shower drain connected at the bottom of the grey tank? huh, that works? i'd prefer to not have to mount the shower so high. i'll look into the more compact p trap.

It actually does work. Inone instance, I connected it to the dump side, just before the grey valve, and it filled just fine. It is iportant, however, that the top of the tank is vented properly. As long as the shower is above the tank, the water will run into it, top or bottom matters only when volume filling is of importance.


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i plan on hosting some cabaret style lounge parties at the rallies. need to find an act ;)

I suggest the guys in the picture below.



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maybe uwe will have the honors when this flying cloud makes its rally debut :)

My number: 1-800-cocktails

urbanfood 12-20-2007 08:57 PM

i've been working on stripping the end caps. i found a system that works great but the shell is required to be removed because of all the water that is generated. i used kleen strip and scraped 95% of it off. then i pressure washed the whole end cap to get the remaining crud off around the rivets which it did with ease. probably not the best thing for the grass, but it's already dead underneath the airstream. i have the rear one completed and will get the front one done this weekend. i also received the dewalt polisher, nuvite F7 and several polishing pads this week.

on the trailer frame front, i decided to sign up for a welding class at los angeles trade technical school. it's a month long class beginning january 2 for 4 hours a day, three days a week. the price is ridiculous...$29. that's a 48 hour welding class for .60 an hour :D

it's all about stick welding so i'm excited for that. even though it's going to be a small delay on the trailer frame, i'm excited to finally learn how to weld and apply it to the airstream.

and finally, this is my 500th post :D :D :D :D . not sure why that is so exciting, but it is :) :) :)

safari57 12-20-2007 10:10 PM

First - congrats on hitting the big Five zero zero. I too wondered if it meant I was hitting a good milestone or perhaps spending way too much time on the Forum instead of working on the 'Cloud. I realized that the Forums and working on the 'Cloud were tied together, each providing more motivation to do the other. So it's all good news on that count.

Good news on the polishing supplies, and that price for the welding course is almost embarrassing. By the end of that you'll be raring to tackle that frame. With all this happening, and the great weather you folks enjoy 99% of the year, you should be out testing that trailer by summer:brows: . Oh sure, it may not be completely done, but it is fun even when it's part way done to check out how it works so far.

Merry Christmas, and don't hurt yourself polishing end caps over the holidays.

Barry

Zeppelinium 12-21-2007 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by urbanfood
i've been working on stripping the end caps. i found a system that works great but the shell is required to be removed because of all the water that is generated. i used kleen strip and scraped 95% of it off. then i pressure washed the whole end cap to get the remaining crud off around the rivets which it did with ease. ...

on the trailer frame front, i decided to sign up for a welding class at los angeles trade technical school. it's a month long class beginning january 2 for 4 hours a day, three days a week. the price is ridiculous...$29. that's a 48 hour welding class for .60 an hour :D ...

Can I come park in your driveway and take the welding course with you? Wow!

I don't understand the "...shell is required to be removed..." comment. Washing the outside of the shell ought to keep all the water outside, I'd think.

Congrats on your 500th post! I know you are walking around with a new sense of confidence and accomplishment. The only things that matter are:

1. Progress on all Airstream Projects and
2. Active participation and sharing on the Forums.

Zep

urbanfood 12-21-2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeppelinium
I don't understand the "...shell is required to be removed..." comment. Washing the outside of the shell ought to keep all the water outside, I'd think.

it's on the interior of the endcaps ;)

i'll post a pix later of the progress.

InsideOut 12-21-2007 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urbanfood
i've been working on stripping the end caps. i found a system that works great but the shell is required to be removed because of all the water that is generated. i used kleen strip and scraped 95% of it off. then i pressure washed the whole end cap to get the remaining crud off around the rivets which it did with ease.

Sounds like what we did...but the shell was on. The wood floor was gone so no worries about getting things wet.

Shari :flowers:

urbanfood 12-21-2007 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by InsideOut
Sounds like what we did...but the shell was on. The wood floor was gone so no worries about getting things wet.

Shari :flowers:

i stand corrected, it can be done with the shell on.

shari, how did you get that link to work and just show the single post. there was no thread attached and i couldn't scroll up or down, it was just your post. i kind of like that, do tell.

InsideOut 12-21-2007 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by urbanfood
shari, how did you get that link to work and just show the single post. there was no thread attached and i couldn't scroll up or down, it was just your post. i kind of like that, do tell.

See the underlined post number in the blue bar on the top right of every post? Click that and it'll take you to just that post. Then copy the path from your browser and paste it into the link reference (instead of the whole thread path).

If you want to go to look at the whole thread when viewing a single post, click on the thread name which will appear in the top right above where the number is. Make sense?

Shari :flowers:

airdrmr 01-19-2008 09:59 PM

Spare tire mount
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by urbanfood
finally progress again...
i also had greg install a spare tire carrier which is what is on the newer airstreams.

Hi David,

We are getting ready to mount our spare tire on our '67 Safari and I was wondering if you could tell me - does the belly pan have to be modified with this type of spare tire mount? Or, does it just fit flush to the underside [front] of the trailer?

Thanks, and keep up the great work!

NorCal Bambi 01-20-2008 09:03 AM

great information
 
Howdy David, Great information! I haven't looked at your thread for some time. You've got a lot done. Our 55 FC has finally moved back up on the list of todo's. I've downloaded several of your graphics and will be studing them. It's sure is nice to have someone else do the work first. I'd like to pick your mind and ideas as get going again, If you don't mind. I've found that it's hard to stay on track when you have one Airstream that is siting there waiting to go camping. Camping, work, Camping, work. Thanks again for your great thread.
Don

Creampuff 01-20-2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by airdrmr
Hi David,

We are getting ready to mount our spare tire on our '67 Safari and I was wondering if you could tell me - does the belly pan have to be modified with this type of spare tire mount? Or, does it just fit flush to the underside [front] of the trailer?

Thanks, and keep up the great work!

Meredith:
You will have to cut out your bellypan between the frame rails in a triangular/ trapezoidal configuration. The tire lies flat to the underside of the floor.

airdrmr 01-20-2008 11:56 AM

Thanks
 
Hi Murray,

Thanks for the information. That's what I thought, but I needed affirmation from the experts. :blink:

Hope you and that beauty of a trailer are doing well. Happy New Year!:D

Zeppelinium 01-21-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Creampuff
Meredith:
You will have to cut out your bellypan between the frame rails in a triangular/ trapezoidal configuration. The tire lies flat to the underside of the floor.

Maybe. My observation of my Caravel (which doesn't have the tire holder installed--see posts #5 and #7 in this thread) http://www.airforums.com/forums/f476...air-24690.html
and my Sovereign (which does have it installed) tells me that there was a thin layer of solid foam insulation below the floor and above the tire. I also noticed that the insulation was protected with sheet aluminum, pretty thin, like .025". I haven't measured it, but I think it's wise to have as much insulation as the tire width and support arms allow--maybe only 1/2", but I would hope more. Some members have reported that their spare tire had space above it, which was bad, since the tire could bounce up and down and create very big stress on the support arms. Collective member wisdom says the tire ought to be snug up against the floor/insulation, so add as much insulation thickness as necessary to make this happen.

Zep

SilverPal2 01-30-2008 08:20 AM

Looking for a pre 57 Flying/Safari
 
David
Any ideas on how to find a pre 57 FC/
Jim

safari57 01-30-2008 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by japolk
David
Any ideas on how to find a pre 57 FC/
Jim

Jim,

One thought is to go on Google and type flying cloud. I happened to be doing that yesterday and several came up. Some were for sale but I did not check to see how old the ads were or if they were still available. We've found our last two on Craig's list. You have to go in and check each city. I know there's an ad from a guy called Airsstreamguy or something like that who has a very early 1950 flying cloud for sale. There's also one in the Spokane Craig's list, I think a 1951, that will need a total restoration.

The other thing to consider is to put a wanted ad in the classifieds here and RV trader.com

We also post to the thread here titled "Interesting Craig's list finds" anything we happen to see in the various Craig's lists when trolling them so keep an eye on that thread. Matter of fact, you might want to post to that thread letting folks know that you are looking as well. You'll want to put some clarity to what it is you are actually looking for such as a project, an original untouched, or a restored unit.

Good luck,
Barry

airdrmr 01-30-2008 11:41 AM

pretty sad shape
 
Hi Jim,

I noticed this one on craigslist yesterday. It's a '62 and it's in pretty awful shape, but I thought I mention it since it's pretty close to you.

24 ' 1962 Flying Cloud Airstream

Cheers,

SilverPal 01-30-2008 12:04 PM

Hi Meredith:

Yes, Jim and I have pondered this one. We agree, it's in sad shape....


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