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Explorin 03-01-2006 11:02 AM

Is an Airstream a summer oven?
 
After 35 years of camping in tents and tent trailers we are seriously considering purchasing an Airstream (huzzah). We re interested in the 19' and the new 20' models. How well does the interior of an Airstream hold up under summer heat with open windows and a fantastic fan when boondocking? Do they get stiffling hot? We tend to camp at state and National parks where seldom do you have the opportunity for electrical hookups. We note that the windows on the 19' standard have small openings for ventilation. The Casita forum claims that the interior of a Bambi wil get hot enough to cook food without using the range (not that I put a lof of faith in the comment). Any experiences or knowledge will be appreciated.

85MH325 03-01-2006 11:32 AM

An Airstream in the direct sun gets hot. VERY hot. MUCH hotter than a Casita or a Scamp. I have had a parade of Airstreams as well as fiberglass trailers. I'm regularly amazed at how much difference there is between them. If you can park your Airstream in partial shade though, it's not so bad.

Roger

ZoominC6 03-01-2006 12:11 PM

Explorin, Like Roger says, shade works well and so do Hondas and Yamahas for generators. Considering you may not be inside your trailer much in the summertime with the exception of the nighttime hours, you'd be well advised to take a look at all the information on this forum concerning generators. Should you have the 'luxury' of planning your trips on a seasonal basis i.e. South in the Winter and mountains in the Summer, who knows, you may not even need the AC at night? Having said all that, if you camp in the open, summer sunlight, your Airstream will heat up quickly, the AC will run all the time, cool down slowly and not nearly as efficiently as your home or automobile. Good luck in your decision and welcome to this very useful Forum.

Silvertwinkie 03-01-2006 12:40 PM

It's hot, but with the windows open and fantastic vent(s) running, it's not bad. Of course when it's been 95+ outside with 40% humidity and in direct sunlight, it's nice having a good A/C unit.

In the 19' and 23' units, I think they come standard with 11k BTU units, I would opt to upgrade that to 13.5k units. If you go larger than 23', I'd bump up to a 15k unit.

jcanavera 03-01-2006 01:08 PM

Part of the key to comfort is also the windows themselves. The riveted windows as found on the Classic, CCD and Safari SE line swing out. The other models which use the windows surrounded by a black gasket have a limited portion of the window that opens.

If a lack of power is an issue, be sure to get a model with the riveted windows.

Jack

crazylev 03-01-2006 01:34 PM

While it's true that AS's can heat up during the day, we have found that they also cool off pretty quick. Aluminum does not hold heat well. Also being as reflective as they are, they don't get as hot as they might if say they were the SOB white/beige paint stuff.

Like Jack mentioned, I'd consider a model where you can open windows as much as posible. On our 19' CCD, the front window swings up quite a bit, the curb side bedroom window also opens generously.

And if you really need it, you can swing the door open, and just use the screen door.

One of the best suggestions I got from Silvertwinkie: If you go with a 19' model, be sure to spend the extra 240 dollars and get a second Fantastic Fan. Our stock 11,000btu AC seems to keep us cool enough during extreme temps, so I can't say that I miss the 13,500 btu unit, and I'm pretty freon-dependent during summer months.

When you say national Parks, do you mean parks out west? If that's the case, we found that no matter where we were, we seldom had any need for AC. For example, we camped at Zion NP during the summer when temps would get to about 100 degrees during the day, but by 9 or 10 o'clock in the evening, we might be looking for a blanket! It really cools off at night, at least that's what we found.

If you are camping in the midwest/east where it can get hot and humid and stay that way, you would either need a camp ground with electric or carry a couple of portable generators or a giant heavy one to run the AC.

Jonathan

Silvertwinkie 03-01-2006 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcanavera
Part of the key to comfort is also the windows themselves. The riveted windows as found on the Classic, CCD and Safari SE line swing out. The other models which use the windows surrounded by a black gasket have a limited portion of the window that opens.

Jack

I have the windows with the black gaskets. They don't fully open like the Classic, SE or CCDs, however this can be overcome with a fantastic vent....as Lev said, two can really be great. I can get a wind tunnel in our 25' with the windows alone open and both fans on high or one setting before high. Opening the door with the fans on is even better. :)

mandolindave 03-01-2006 03:34 PM

Grillin' & Chillin'
 
I work at a Bluegrass Festival for ten days, in July every year.
1. I try for a spot with afternoon shade.
2. I use a 12 volt, clip on, oscilating fan pointed at my person.
3. I sit by the creek in the heat of the day.

cammur 03-01-2006 03:41 PM

We looked at two 25' Airstreams, one with beautiful wrap around front windows and high edge windows, the other with fewer and less fancy windows. On a hot Sacramento day, the one with less glass showing (the one we got) was definitely cooler. That was a major factor in our decision, helped by the cooler one being cheaper. Both units had all windows closed, the door open, and roof vents open but fan not running.

But boy do I like the looks of the one we didn't get! If I had it to do over, I'd get the one with more glass, and as Johnathan and others have said, add a 2nd Fantastic Fan.

I can't compare the windows, but I will say our windows are hard to open, and don't open far.

Cam

CanoeStream 03-01-2006 04:54 PM

Ditto on Jack Canavera's (and others') comments about the hinge-from-the-top windows. I would travel with my Argosy closed up and arrive all hot inside. Opening the top-hinged windows would cool it off inside purt' darned quick! Of course nothing helps on those muggy hot nights...

It is definitely hard to tote around enough 30A generator power and fuel to run the AC while boondocking (don't try the AC on anything less than a 30A circuit -- you could burn out the compressor!). You need at least two lightweight Honda EU2000i generators to run the AC -- cables are available to put it together right. I have the link for making your own here somewhere.... A single 30A generator gets pretty heavy to hoist up and down from a pickup bed. Yamaha generators have started to catch up to Honda (saw a big display at recent RV show; also featured in latest Airstream Life magazine). If you camp in the hottest season or areas, cooling off the hot inside with the AC toward the end of the afternoon has got to help some.

Due to the flammability issues with transporting gasoline I am really paying attention to this post! Propane powered EU2000i. I'd think the LP conversion could be worked with any generator -- talk to your dealer, talk to the local gas service company, etc.

lewster 03-01-2006 05:06 PM

Good advice! One thing that has not been mentioned is interior window tinting. I had this done to all of my vehicles here in SW Florida, and it makes a huge difference. So much so, that I just had my house done (faces mostly south) and even had the CCD done in a silver reflective tint. Besides looking awesome, it has reduced the interior heat during the day considerably. If I had the time, I would have done a temp. comparison, but it IS noticeable!

Also, be sure to order a full set of awnings. They help a lot too.

dwightdi 03-01-2006 05:22 PM

Airstreams are hot stuff
 
The newer units have white roof coating. It really helps. I had a 77 that baked when at International Rallies in Rapid city and Huntsville. I ran experiment to see if it was worth it to paint the roof. It really helps. temp inside dropped over 10 degrees F on a summer afternoon and seemed to have no effect on how fast it cooled down after the sun went down. Have had quite a few others also paint them. Helped them also. Parking so the awning shades the side also helps. Awnings all around (even covering a swing out window) also helps. Personal fans inside are also an option. It may not look classical, but form must follow function in my book.

bill benton 03-01-2006 05:44 PM

Some are hotter than others
 
:) In 1991 was when my Airstream was built. I think somebody at the factory was on something when they decided to offer a 34' trailer with a 13,000 BTU AC. I don't know if anyone thought that some people lived in the south. I know a second unit was a option. But it should have been mandatory for any units that were to be sold in the south. I've had it checked twice and was told it is functioning better than a new unit. If the temp goes above 85, staying inside is not a option. :)

overlander63 03-01-2006 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewster
Good advice! One thing that has not been mentioned is interior window tinting. I had this done to all of my vehicles here in SW Florida, and it makes a huge difference. So much so, that I just had my house done (faces mostly south) and even had the CCD done in a silver reflective tint. Besides looking awesome, it has reduced the interior heat during the day considerably. If I had the time, I would have done a temp. comparison, but it IS noticeable!

Also, be sure to order a full set of awnings. They help a lot too.

I can attest to the effectiveness of window tinting. I tinted the windows in our Overlander just before the Florida State Rally, and there was at least a 5 degree drop in interior temperature versus the week two weeks previous. It will probably also cut down on the colors in your fabrics fading, as well.


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