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gomotomoto 04-22-2017 08:19 AM

Cramping the lifestyle... the horrid blueboy.
 
So sorry to bring up a negative in the lifestyle section, but I think it's appropriate due to the fact that it directly lends to the overall vibe of the experience.

We have a beautiful 1964 Ambassador. Just love it. Everything has been updated except for the holding tanks. I don't think I'm going to rip the belly pan out and add one. Just too much hassle. So... we carry a blue boy.
It's gross. It's blue. It looks like hell when we have it lashed to the back of the airstream when we travel.

I know it's stupid, but disguising that thing would make it a touch better and was thinking of making a long rectangular tank out of aluminum diamond plate. It could sit on our back bumper and would improve aesthetics quite a bit.

Has anyone done anything similar?

Meeks 04-22-2017 09:29 AM

I do not have a solution for you but I'm sure someone will!

I just wanted to write that aesthetics is important. It is most likely one of the many reasons you enjoy your beautiful Ambassador so much! So your desire to come up with a more attractive solution for your Airstream is a wonderful idea! Let us know what you come up with!

gomotomoto 04-22-2017 09:55 AM

Yes, otherwise we'd be dragging around boxy northtrails :)

A big part of it is how the thing (airstream) pleases the eye. The blueboy is just a square peg in a round hole.

I do think a custom large, low profile diamond plate tank will offer a great solution. Excuse my french, but that won't look like a GIANT TANK OF POO strapped to our beautiful airstream.

I can TIG weld, so I think it would be a great project -- better than ripping up my floors to install a retrofitted grey tank that probably won't have enough capacity anyway.

That's it, I'm gonna do it. Now just need to find aluminum fittings that will work with RV plumbing lines and whatnot.



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Originally Posted by Meeks (Post 1939491)
I do not have a solution for you but I'm sure someone will!

I just wanted to write that aesthetics is important. It is most likely one of the many reasons you enjoy your beautiful Ambassador so much! So your desire to come up with a more attractive solution for your Airstream is a wonderful idea! Let us know what you come up with!


Lily&Me 04-22-2017 10:21 AM

What about a large, drawstring, grill cover?


Maggie

cwf 04-22-2017 10:22 AM

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Make it out of sheet ... add some rivets with TIG... paint a Minion facing forward... like this free clip art.. there others you may prefer...

Lily&Me 04-22-2017 10:24 AM

:lol::lol::lol:

gomotomoto 04-22-2017 11:01 AM

excellent idea

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lily&Me (Post 1939512)
What about a large, drawstring, grill cover?


Maggie


gomotomoto 04-22-2017 11:01 AM

this is a solid idea!

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwf (Post 1939513)
Make it out of sheet ... add some rivets with TIG... paint a Minion facing forward... like this free clip art.. there others you may prefer...


Lily&Me 04-22-2017 11:28 AM

You can buy heavy duty grill covers in several sizes, and the drawstring ones stay on quite well...and, can be washed when road grime sets in...and, it will.

To me, that would be a near-instant solution.


Maggie

InterBlog 04-22-2017 11:52 AM

Grill covers could work, but many of them are black (UV-resistant) and rather conspicuous against aluminum, plus I don't know how you'd fare on getting a close size.

I'm a huge fan of silver tarp, the kind you can get for less than ten bucks a sheet (about 8 x 10 feet). If you have rudimentary sewing skills, you could sew a cover for the blue boy and maybe cinch it with bungee cords. Or make a drawstring pocket at the hem and run paracord through that to cinch it. And the silver color would blend with your trailer.

I did this for our Yeti cooler which sits on our custom hitch carrier, not because the Yeti was ugly but because I wanted to keep road dirt off it, and also because I wanted to add closed-cell foam insulation as an extra measure because we live in the Deep South where even a Yeti is challenged to retain its coldness against the prevailing inferno of heat. It is a big baggy in this photo because the basic box cover I sewed has extra growing room in it for more foam if needed.

The tarp stands up well to outdoor abuse - that's what it's designed for. This thing has about a year and 10,000 miles on it so far and it still looks pretty good. You can see that I use rubber bungee cords to cinch it around the bottom. Some of the rubber bungees that are on the market have re-position-able hooks so they can be adjusted to a custom length.

http://i.imgur.com/EZAOkSs.jpg

MelGoddard 04-22-2017 03:55 PM

The question is:
How well would the Aluminum stand up to the acids and corrosion factors of "The Poo"?

gomotomoto 04-22-2017 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MelGoddard (Post 1939637)
The question is:
How well would the Aluminum stand up to the acids and corrosion factors of "The Poo"?



I decided to "wrap" a plastic tank inside an aluminum casing.

sailormom 04-22-2017 04:27 PM

Would REALLY like to see your pictures when done! We have a 67 Overlander. We did redo all our holding tanks but we also take a portable tank with us whenever we boondock for longer periods of time (right now we throw in back of pickup) so I would like to see what you come up with. One question--I can see having an empty blue boy on the bumper but would you ever be having a full one on the bumper while in tow? Wondering because it is so easy to cause rear end separation and we also worry about any extra weight back there.

Tim A. 04-22-2017 04:27 PM

An interesting thing is that it is possible to paint those blue things. The paint job won't be very smooth, but it will stick. How do I know? I did it about 14 years ago with our blue tank. Most of the paint is still on it even though I mounted the tank with a bracket under the trailer next to the spare tire and the tank is held in place with rubber tie-down straps.

The paint secret? 3M 90 Spray Adhesive. Spray the outside of the tank with the adhesive and let dry completely. Then spray with paint. I used black paint because it helps hide the lumps and bumps of the adhesive surface.

Be careful of overspray with the adhesive. It is almost impossible to remove!

Tim

gomotomoto 04-22-2017 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sailormom (Post 1939647)
Would REALLY like to see your pictures when done! We have a 67 Overlander. We did redo all our holding tanks but we also take a portable tank with us whenever we boondock for longer periods of time (right now we throw in back of pickup) so I would like to see what you come up with. One question--I can see having an empty blue boy on the bumper but would you ever be having a full one on the bumper while in tow? Wondering because it is so easy to cause rear end separation and we also worry about any extra weight back there.

Will do! I wouldn't tow with any fluids in there. I'd be empty on the road always.

gomotomoto 04-22-2017 04:32 PM

Hmmmmmmm, wow that's clever. Think rattle can paint will work? If so I happen to have a very large can of silver at the ready!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim A. (Post 1939648)
An interesting thing is that it is possible to paint those blue things. The paint job won't be very smooth, but it will stick. How do I know? I did it about 14 years ago with our blue tank. Most of the paint is still on it even though I mounted the tank with a bracket under the trailer next to the spare tire and the tank is held in place with rubber tie-down straps.

The paint secret? 3M 90 Spray Adhesive. Spray the outside of the tank with the adhesive and let dry completely. Then spray with paint. I used black paint because it helps hide the lumps and bumps of the adhesive surface.

Be careful of overspray with the adhesive. It is almost impossible to remove!

Tim


RLtravel 04-22-2017 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InterBlog (Post 1939558)
Grill covers could work, but many of them are black (UV-resistant) and rather conspicuous against aluminum, plus I don't know how you'd fare on getting a close size.

I'm a huge fan of silver tarp, the kind you can get for less than ten bucks a sheet (about 8 x 10 feet). If you have rudimentary sewing skills, you could sew a cover for the blue boy and maybe cinch it with bungee cords. Or make a drawstring pocket at the hem and run paracord through that to cinch it. And the silver color would blend with your trailer.

I did this for our Yeti cooler which sits on our custom hitch carrier, not because the Yeti was ugly but because I wanted to keep road dirt off it, and also because I wanted to add closed-cell foam insulation as an extra measure because we live in the Deep South where even a Yeti is challenged to retain its coldness against the prevailing inferno of heat. It is a big baggy in this photo because the basic box cover I sewed has extra growing room in it for more foam if needed.

The tarp stands up well to outdoor abuse - that's what it's designed for. This thing has about a year and 10,000 miles on it so far and it still looks pretty good. You can see that I use rubber bungee cords to cinch it around the bottom. Some of the rubber bungees that are on the market have re-position-able hooks so they can be adjusted to a custom length.

http://i.imgur.com/EZAOkSs.jpg

Thanks for the tip about making a thermal cover for your Yeti cooler. This is a great idea for any cooler, especially when the sun is beating down.

backdoor man 04-22-2017 06:03 PM

Have a Denteley you don't have a pick up truck, because you could just throw it in the back of the bed and forget about it. So forget the lumps and bumps's and the adhesive glue, just go to a straight up plastic spray can and pick the color you like and let it go at that until you can find a solution that you can live with.

Meeks 04-22-2017 06:33 PM

Such fabulous, creative ideas!

djarrett 04-22-2017 07:13 PM

Just wondering if you've considered a compost toilet to avoid the need for ole blue boy?

xrvr 04-22-2017 09:01 PM

Then you can carry your poop around for days and days, even weeks.

cabinetmaker 04-22-2017 09:23 PM

How about making something out of aluminum with rivets to match the trailer that can hold the blue boy?

Something with 3 sides and hinged at the bottom that folds down to provide access to the blue boy.

That way you don't have to make it leak proof and it will not show any fittings on the outside.

Tim A. 04-22-2017 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomotomoto (Post 1939650)
Hmmmmmmm, wow that's clever. Think rattle can paint will work? If so I happen to have a very large can of silver at the ready!

I used a rattle can or maybe two of them. It was long enough ago that I don't remember how much paint I needed.

Tim

Len n Jeanne 04-22-2017 10:31 PM

Umm, do you drive a truck with the cap/canopy on the back, perchance? When we're concerned about a possible tank overflow (which we had happen once, blech) that's where we store our blue biffy box. Empty, of course. Lots of room for it, canoe paddles, extra picnic cooler, chairs, folding table, the generator, gas can, and the like in the back of the truck.

The main issue is to avoid over-filling the black water tank in the first place. If there's a restroom or pit toilet where we're camping, that's what we use except in the middle of the night. For extreme boondocking with nobody else around, you could probably take a shovel, dig out a pit, carry one of those camp toilet seats that sits on folding aluminum legs, and use that.

In primitive campground situations with a public trash receptacle, we have also lined the toilet seat in the AS with a heavy-duty trash bag or two, put in some garden peat moss (light, highly absorbent,) and after a couple of uses, deposited it in our household waste for the dumpster. This may sound questionable, but then soiled baby diapers get thrown out in the dumpster, also.

We have on rare occasions emptied out grey water into a bucket and tossed it in the bushes a long way from our campsite.

68Streamline 04-22-2017 10:54 PM

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How about this setup? Built-in holding tank for the toilet.Attachment 283906

Len n Jeanne 04-22-2017 10:55 PM

Of course, an alternative solution for non-biffy box camping in primitive camping situations where other people are around, is to go ahead and dig the latrine, and position your camp toilet seat over it, but then preserve your modesty with a packable "Portable Shower Changing Tent Camping Toilet Pop Up Room" like this one at Walmart.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Portable-...w-Bag/29532715

In case you've never had the pleasure of dealing with the original pit toilet, keep the dug-out dirt handy, with a small shovel or hand trowel, so that you can sprinkle it back on the hole after each use for aesthetics.

It appears that Cabela's is on to the problem if you decide on alternatives to the exterior-mount on your biffy box.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/brows..._SEQ_549495180

gomotomoto 04-23-2017 03:05 PM

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Attachment 283957

gomotomoto 04-23-2017 03:06 PM

It's a start ;)

Ray Eklund 04-23-2017 03:36 PM

The Blue Beast traveling Art Show by local Taggers
 
Longport, NJ? Are you near the ocean? You are one lucky fellow. Blue background would be perfect for your situation.

Locate an 'Art Studio' that TAGGERS hang out to learn the latest techniques. Offer them your 'Blue Wonder Airstream' as a Puree of Art Edition. The talented ones will be more than eager to take you up on the offer.

You may want to see some of their... 'work', of course. But if they, if more than one are interested, they can sign the Tag Work.

You no longer own the Blue Beast, but now have a traveling... Art Show for everyone to admire your genius. Not all Taggers are destitute... so you may even have offers to purchase your Blue Beast. Taggers have egos longer than your trailer, which seems to be missing on your original post.

They will use their own paint, of course. Tape the windows. Wash the surface well so that the Art adheres better. Find covers for the tires to avoid getting them painted, as well. But then again... if they are 14" Goodyear Marathons... it may hold them together.

After all is done... maybe have a shop spray clear coat that will NOT disturb the paint. Prevents your aluminum and salt from really making a mess for the new owners of the... future.

I am already... envious of your traveling Art Show. Be bold.

Jacob D 04-23-2017 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomotomoto (Post 1939469)
So sorry to bring up a negative in the lifestyle section, but I think it's appropriate due to the fact that it directly lends to the overall vibe of the experience.

We have a beautiful 1964 Ambassador. Just love it. Everything has been updated except for the holding tanks. I don't think I'm going to rip the belly pan out and add one. Just too much hassle. So... we carry a blue boy.
It's gross. It's blue. It looks like hell when we have it lashed to the back of the airstream when we travel.

I know it's stupid, but disguising that thing would make it a touch better and was thinking of making a long rectangular tank out of aluminum diamond plate. It could sit on our back bumper and would improve aesthetics quite a bit.

Has anyone done anything similar?

I have pondered some way other than Blue Boy to handle grey water for many years. MY first thought was to convert the hose compartment behind the rear bumper of our '67 Overlander to a grey water tank. There is enough room there for about 15 gallons which would add 120 lbs hanging on the rear of a 4 inch frame which is already supporting similar weight in the Black tank. I hate the Blue Boy as much as anyone, but I hate rear end separation way more. Further that might allow one shower before it has to be dumped.

Bill M. 04-23-2017 06:49 PM

I would hate to camp in a trailer without a grey tank. Have been on caravans with people and seen it done. I would add the grey tank. Have seen pictures of some that added storage capacity with PVC piping in a long series. Most trailers have grey tanks. There is a reason for that.

cwf 04-23-2017 06:55 PM

A problem is an opportunity.... one thing about a "cover".. if metal, easy to clean.. sorta. It shouldn't flop around on the AS. The cover may also be removed and set over the tank when on the ground... it is a lot cheaper to buy a cover.

Remember the old "vinyl roof". Cars? Or, since you live on the coast, find a boat topper shop!!!! They can make whatever you can afford!

bobzdar 09-07-2017 11:36 AM

This seems like it would be the best option; I plan to add one when I remove the belly pan to do some work in next year or two on my '67. Yeah, it'd require some plumbing, but not a huge deal imo as the stuff in the old campers is so simple.

https://www.vintagetrailersupply.com...-p/vts-851.htm


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