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The Twinkie 01-15-2017 12:01 PM

Blue tote instead of black tank ?
 
Folks I need some advice.:)
For reference:
We have redone the frame and have replaced the floor in the (rear) bath (Sept. 2016).

What do you think about not having a black tank and let the toilet go directly into a blue tote?
Maybe about 15 gallons (but dump when about 10 gallons full) that could be walked to the dump station every 2 days or so and dump the gray water tank when leaving the campground?
Another question....if we are at Walmart for 1 night.....do we hook up "old blue" ....probably not!!!!!!!!
We have bought the toilet several months ago and cannot return it and buying a composting toilet is out.
Does "black and blue" work for any of you?
Thanks

eubank 01-15-2017 12:15 PM

Ah, not too fun. We have been using the blue boy a lot recently. It is ok on nice days, but less than satisfactory on rainy, nasty days like today.
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CRH 01-15-2017 04:02 PM

No thanks

Cannonball 01-15-2017 04:13 PM

I have never successfully used my tote without some type of "slop" getting on my hands (gloved), shoes, etc. There is absolutely no way I would ever put black water in a tote. Gray water in the tote is bad enough, and is my absolute outer limit.


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Silver Hawk 01-15-2017 04:15 PM

Would not consider it.

Why not place the tank above floor with the toilet on top of it?
We older folks have trouble finding a toilet tall enough to not have to squat down to use anyway. I bought the tallest they make and it's still hard for my wife to use. They design them for midgets.
The older AS I looked at used this approach and seemed to work fine.
They also had the fresh water tank up front behind the couch on top of the floor. Simplified everything.

kdickinson 01-16-2017 12:24 PM

all the same words and opinions come to mind as above. I don't think it's going to end up being quite as simple as "going to the dump station and dumping" it - especially with an audience waiting in line to make their stop on the way in or out. The blue boys are really intended to be for grey water waste for those of us with no grey water tank (but plenty of grey hair) ...

marciekaput 01-16-2017 12:27 PM

I don't use a black tank. I have a Thetford Porta Potti Curve that works great for us. Super clean and tidy and have never had even a drip out of it when taking it to the dump station. We try to reserve it for night time use and emergency on the road use primarily though. I use a blue boy for gray water and agree that I would not want black water in it. Alway a little spillage when moving it and dumping it.

1973Argosy 01-16-2017 12:34 PM

My 73 has no grey water tank and I have to use a blue boy when sewer connection isn't available. Dumping grey water from a blue boy is not a fun endeavor, no thanks on dumping black water from one. In my Argosy the black tank is above the floor with the toilet on top of it. Another thought is what issues will arise if you ever decide to sale your trailer. I for one would not buy a trailer that didnt have a black tank, and my Argosy will be the last trailer I own without a grey tank.

Len n Jeanne 01-16-2017 12:47 PM

We have a blue "biffy box" for emergency overflow issues only. Thankfully we've not had to use it. You still have to get to an RV sani-dump to dump it and to clean the thing out. Thoroughly. :sick:

MelGoddard 01-16-2017 01:09 PM

HAH!!!
Those of us with later model 30 footers or so, have to content with Airstream's 'Stoopid' idea of running the bathroom sink drain into the black water tank.
This configuration fills up the black tank a lot faster, requiring dumping sooner.
This is NOT good where there is no sewer fixtures at your camp spot, or if 'boondocking'.
One of my outings in June, the campspot has no sewage. Does this mean that I have to buy a 'Blueboy"?

dznf0g 01-16-2017 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelGoddard (Post 1899892)
HAH!!!
Those of us with later model 30 footers or so, have to content with Airstream's 'Stoopid' idea of running the bathroom sink drain into the black water tank.
This configuration fills up the black tank a lot faster, requiring dumping sooner.
This is NOT good where there is no sewer fixtures at your camp spot, or if 'boondocking'.
One of my outings in June, the campspot has no sewage. Does this mean that I have to buy a 'Blueboy"?

I actually wish mine was plumbed that way (it's not). I always am full of gray water with quite a bit less than half full of black.

romeb 01-16-2017 05:42 PM

Instead of a "blue boy" I have a Thetford Smart Tote. It is effortless to fill even if the trailer is too close to the ground. And it has wheels in the front in case it's heavy. And it's equally mindless to empty. I empty both black and grey into it every couple days or so and walk it to the dump station...without touching or smelling the stuff.

OTRA15 01-16-2017 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Twinkie (Post 1899430)
. . .
What do you think about not having a black tank and let the toilet go directly into a blue tote?
. . .

A lousy idea IMO which will seriously diminish the resale value of your AS.

:bb:

Tn Traveler 01-16-2017 07:28 PM

How would it be vented?

AL4411 01-16-2017 10:53 PM

Cassette toilet
 
I visited the Earthroamer factory on I-25 north of Denver. Their $400,000, 28 ft. Motorhome uses a casette toilet. It looks brilliant and ultimately flexible. Everything I've read about these toilets is positive except for the limited storage but 5 gallons is relatively easy to move around. You can empty in any pit or regular toilet. No need to wait for a dump station. I would be glad to have one in my AS. Options are good.

1973Argosy 01-17-2017 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL4411 (Post 1900163)
I visited the Earthroamer factory on I-25 north of Denver. Their $400,000, 28 ft. Motorhome uses a casette toilet. It looks brilliant and ultimately flexible. Everything I've read about these toilets is positive except for the limited storage but 5 gallons is relatively easy to move around. You can empty in any pit or regular toilet. No need to wait for a dump station. I would be glad to have one in my AS. Options are good.


When I bought my Argosy back in 2000, it was really only used for a hunting camp. I removed the standard toilet and installed a cassette toilet (porta potty). Once the family and I started using our trailer for travel and vacation it didn't take long for the toilet to become a sore spot in the conversation. With a family of four the cassette toilet had to be dumped daily. It's never any fun to need to use the restroom only to find its full and must be dumped before reliving yourself. We are back to a flush toilet and our black tank.

xrvr 01-17-2017 08:55 AM

The cassette toilets as they use in Europe are emptied from the outside, no need to carry through the trailer.

MelGoddard 01-17-2017 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otra15 (Post 1900021)
a lousy idea imo which will seriously diminish the resale value of your as.

:bb:

agree!

Tbeck11931 01-17-2017 10:10 AM

If you plan to go without the black tank, Go with a composting toilet you would be better off.
Thomas

OTRA15 01-17-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tbeck11931 (Post 1900294)
If you plan to go without the black tank, Go with a composting toilet you would be better off.
Thomas

Don't most of the composting toilets require that you divert the urine to another container? [not the grey water tank preferably, as I understand it]

Why not keep the black tank for use when needed, even if a composting toilet is installed?

:blink:

Guess I am missing the convenience of not having any black water tank . . .


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