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housebg 02-27-2016 10:45 AM

have you found this
 
I went to get a tank valve upgraded and ran into this they want 85.00 dollars to change a valve and said it would have to be changed again in five years. But they offered to sell me a new aluminum tank for 165.00 dollars that would be good ten years what do you think I should do .Fore sure I am going to call around some Monday and check prices it seemed high to me.But everything is high now that I am retired. I live in South Louisiana if any one know anything please message me Billy

DKB_SATX 02-27-2016 10:52 AM

I think there is a slight misunderstanding somewhere. The OPD valve should not have to be changed in five years, but an older steel tank will have to be recertified periodically. If that recertification doesn't require any work, it should be pretty cheap. On the order of $15. Aluminium tanks have to be recertified as well after their initial longer period of certification, but at least they are lighter and do not rust.

Gene 02-27-2016 11:52 AM

I believe certification is good for 12 years in the US and 10 in Canada. I may be wrong on the US years, but am pretty sure Canada is stricter. What may be ok in the US may cause you problems in Canada. Housebg, I'd stay away from the place that wanted $85 to change a valve (I hope that included a new valve) and told you they only last 5 years.

Gene

Siegmann 02-27-2016 01:01 PM

Call other propane suppliers in your area to get prices for a valve replacement.

Lumatic 02-27-2016 04:43 PM

That seems about double what it should cost. Once an OPD valve is installed it shouldn't need replacement. If you fill your tanks the propane outfit should give you a break and not charge you for recertification.

SeeMore 02-28-2016 04:32 PM

Re-Qualification: US Rules
 
First, you can buy new steel tanks for considerably less than you were quoted. Here's a link to Home Depot (Lowes carries the same):

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Worthingt...3954/202034841

A new tank is certified for 12 years. Thereafter, it needs to be "re-qualified" before it can be filled legally. Re-qualification costs about $40 dollars at a gas supplier (think welding store/gas supplier in most urban markets or a propane dealer [Amerigas, Herring]) for the five year extension. If your tank does not have an OPD valve [or it fails], then it will be installed as part of the re-qualification at an added cost. Re-qualification is valid for either 5, 7, or 12 years based on inspection method which determines when re-qualification is required again in the future:

5 years - if the "External Visual" method is used, your tank will be stamped with an "E" time extender (added to the existing RIN number stamp on the collar).

7 years - if the "Proof - Pressure" testing method is used your stamp will be a "S" (added to the RIN number).

12 years - if the "Volumetric Expansion" testing method is used, a new RIN number will be stamped on your tank.

Be sure you ask which method is being used when you are quoted a price for the service. Typically, the 7 or 12 year method costs as much or more than a new steel 30lb tank from the big box retailers; or much cheaper than a new aluminum tank.

Gov regs:

http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/pv_obj_cach..._cylinders.pdf

A W Warn 02-28-2016 04:53 PM

In 2014 I paid about $30 each for new valves. Additionally, I paid about $30 each for labor, which included installation of the valve and external visual re-certification of each tank. No stamping was done. They installed a sticker which included the date of the inspection, an "E", and a number that identified the vendor.

Skykiva 02-28-2016 06:01 PM

I just replaced one tank with a new one from a local propane dealer for $85.00 plus tax. Recertification was not worth it here in Tucson. Would end up costing more than buying a new tank. We were in Canada last year and they require 10 years. Also very few places refill tanks. Most places are on the exchange basis.

AWCHIEF 02-28-2016 07:07 PM

They were trying to rip you off. Time to find another supplier. If you had a Blossom in your area check with them.

DavidsonOverlander 02-28-2016 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skykiva (Post 1755658)
We were in Canada last year and they require 10 years. Also very few places refill tanks. Most places are on the exchange basis.

That may have been your experience where you were, but it's not hard to find places to fill propane tanks in our area.

CA_CAJUN 02-29-2016 12:44 AM

Billy,
I'm a transplanted Cajun. Dealing with the salt air and rust all the time, I'd really consider the aluminum tanks if I could swing it.

gandttimes 02-29-2016 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidsonOverlander (Post 1755754)
That may have been your experience where you were, but it's not hard to find places to fill propane tanks in our area.

It has been my experience that it is actually easier to find propane refill stations in Canada.


George

Gene 02-29-2016 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skykiva (Post 1755658)
We were in Canada last year and they require 10 years. Also very few places refill tanks. Most places are on the exchange basis.

We've had tanks refilled in Canada without any problem. But in Minnesota, they required me to put a new sticker on one of them (why not both?) that said we had to get them recertified (or requalifed) after 12 years. I can't recall anyone ever looking at the stamped date on the tanks. Some places seem careless in filling tanks and I just move further away. Best to park far from the filling area so that if something goes wrong, you don't lose your rig. The good thing is propane doesn't easily explode, but the fire still can do a lot of damage. Considering all the propane that is available and the relative lack of fires, despite a nasty potential, propane is pretty safe.

Since I do not have a horizontally installed tank, I don't know the recertification requirements for those tanks, but they may be more frequent than the vertical tanks that trailers have. The horizontal tanks are found in some MH's and truck campers. I believe they are being phased out.

Gene

idroba 02-29-2016 01:02 PM

My propane dealer will re certify my tanks free, as necessary, as long as I buy the propane to fill them there. He does get PO'ed, he says, when someone wants him to re certify a tank, then not fill it because propane is 30 cents a gal less at another place a few miles away. I don't blame him!


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