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Frank&Mike 07-05-2015 08:49 PM

2015 22' Sport - We Made Some Changes
 
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Background:
Newly purchased November 2015, was questioning if it was turning out to be the wrong model for our needs (having previously owned two 25 footers and one 32 footer) because:
1. the smaller footprint limits access through the galley area to 1 person at a time,
2. the table layout didn't allow for a sofa/lounge area,
3. the challenge to access that nice large storage space under the bed (get on your knees and stick you head up in there and pull everything out),
4. the dislike for the kitchen sink, and
5. the dislike for the mini-blinds.

Today I decided the things that were prompting us to question our purchase have easy "fixes", so it was time to start working on the solutions.

Upon arriving home from our weekend camping, we started to work on resolving items 1 and 2 which turned out to be a simple "fix" as follows:

1. Move the table base as close to the curb side dinette area as possible.
2. The factory places the table base 8 inches out into the galley area, away from the dinette seating (on the curb side), so by moving the table base as close to the curb side dinette as possible it:
a. freed up 8 inches of additional living space,
b. allowed the dinette to also become a sofa/lounge area,
c. allowed room for another person to walk though the galley area while another person is standing in the galley area.
3. Rotate the table 180 degrees where the table now slides from the curb side wall out to the walkway when needed to convert to the bed.

First photo shows the clip on the underneath side of the table which allows the table to slide back and forth sideways. Next couple photos show table in its original position which impedes the galley area, restricting space to 1 person only. Next few photos then depict after the table base is moved as far to the curbside as possible (approximately 8 inches). Last few photos show how moving the table base now allows us to convert the space into a sofa/lounge area as well. Last photo shows that with the table slide, we can still slide the table back toward the galley area and have the same side sleeping area that we had prior to moving the table base.

Hope this makes sense to anyone that is considering this easy modification. I think this modification may also work for 23 FB models.

The next solution "to come" will be a "fix" for item 3. There is another thread on here that someone created which will be the source of our efforts "to come."

Boxite 07-05-2015 11:24 PM

At first I couldn't figure out how you acquired a '15 model in November when it's just now July,2015.... but then realized it must be a typo. :lol:

We have a 2008 22' Sport which has the fwd/convertible dinette and pull-out sofa where the FB dinette is.

We first thought the FB model was a great improvement, as we haven't used our convertible dinette for anything other than a bed, and use the sofa with TV-trays for eating (either indoors or out.) It has worked swell, but we thought the FB was a better arrangement until the narrow passageway issue became known. Your solution seems like a good one. Thanks for sharing.

What's not to like about the mini-blinds?

I'm ambivalent about the sink.... it does allow greater counter-space but the times you need the counter is usually when you also need the sink, it seems.
I'm just hoping that fold-away faucet/spigot never fails! :neutral:

Frank&Mike 07-06-2015 07:20 PM

Hello Boxite
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxite (Post 1647394)
At first I couldn't figure out how you acquired a '15 model in November when it's just now July,2015.... but then realized it must be a typo. :lol:

Nope, no typo. It's actually a 2015, purchased November 2014.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxite (Post 1647394)
What's not to like about the mini-blinds?

Cheap quality, don't like their appearance how they hang, a pain to keep clean. Also did I mention Cheap? Really Cheap. :) I think the Oceanair shades will be replacing the min-blinds very, very soon.

Piggy Bank 07-06-2015 07:42 PM

Very Nice.

Curious if you are seriously considering a sink/counter modification, and your thoughts there?

In my Vision, it would be a stainless sink with integrated drain board.

Frank&Mike 07-06-2015 08:22 PM

Yes, Sink Changes Eventually
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Piggy Bank (Post 1647808)
Very Nice.

Curious if you are seriously considering a sink/counter modification, and your thoughts there?

In my Vision, it would be a stainless sink with integrated drain board.

Yes, at first I liked the kitchen sink ... but the more we use it the more I dislike it. Friends, through another social network site, own a 22 foot Sport and they've made some very nice changes to their Sport. One change they made was the kitchen sink and it looks much more practical and "useable" than the factory sink.

m.hony 07-07-2015 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxite (Post 1647394)
At first I couldn't figure out how you acquired a '15 model in November when it's just now July,2015.... but then realized it must be a typo. :lol:

We have a 2008 22' Sport which has the fwd/convertible dinette and pull-out sofa where the FB dinette is.

We first thought the FB model was a great improvement, as we haven't used our convertible dinette for anything other than a bed, and use the sofa with TV-trays for eating (either indoors or out.) It has worked swell, but we thought the FB was a better arrangement until the narrow passageway issue became known. Your solution seems like a good one. Thanks for sharing.

What's not to like about the mini-blinds?

I'm ambivalent about the sink.... it does allow greater counter-space but the times you need the counter is usually when you also need the sink, it seems.
I'm just hoping that fold-away faucet/spigot never fails! :neutral:

The new models start hitting the dealership lots in June.
My trailer is a 2013, purchased in October 2012. The shower was manufactured in June 2012, so I assume the trailer was manufactured in June or July of 2012.

jsandrb 07-07-2015 03:35 PM

We have the 2015 and didn't mind the sink as it is, but it can be problematic. I like being able to clean up the kitchen and have everything covered and with a load of usable space. Learned to double check something I saw could bean issue with the sink faucet. If you close the lid when the faucet is in the hot position it points straight so that closing down the sink lid will turn on the water. This happened on our last outing, happily the water heater was off, but we were connected to city water so there was no running out of water to save the day. The gray tank filled up, water backup up into the shower and began spilling out into the floor. When I opened the door I was shocked and paniced until I realized what must have happened. Thankfully, it didn't go on too long before we caught it. Water didn't get underneath the cabinets and mopping with towels dried us out.

m.hony 07-07-2015 05:39 PM

Mini-blinds are terrible. They get all bent up from bouncing down the road. The strings used to raise/lower break/stop working. The twist rod used to open/close the blinds break/fall off. I also hate the day/night shades, but they are better than mini-blinds. The Airstream curtain-in-a-track is the best thing, and I don't think any new trailers have them any more.


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nobonk262 07-07-2015 06:48 PM

Thanks!
 
Frank & Mike, thanks for sharing. We too wanted to somehow make a sofa out of the dining table arrangement but still maintain the ability to use the bed/table. Your posting was perfect and within the hour of receiving your post our conversion was completed on our 22fb Sport.

Keep us posted on your other changes and again thanks.

Frank&Mike 07-07-2015 09:04 PM

So Glad It Worked Out for You
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nobonk262 (Post 1648255)
Frank & Mike, thanks for sharing. We too wanted to somehow make a sofa out of the dining table arrangement but still maintain the ability to use the bed/table. Your posting was perfect and within the hour of receiving your post our conversion was completed on our 22fb Sport.

Keep us posted on your other changes and again thanks.

I'm glad you found some benefit with our posting. As we make progress on the upcoming changes we'll update this thread.

ghamr 07-08-2015 09:00 AM

I was thinking about doing this, but didn't want to have 2 or 3 holes in the floor when I moved the pedestal back...how did you cover them?
Re blinds: I got a set of magnets from ACE that came with tape strips to put on the aluminum frame at the bottom of each window to hold the blinds down...the plastic clips wouldn't.
Re bed: I posted a modification a few months back using a piano hinge & lifters under the mattress for easier access: Bed modification 5/3/15 Interior Restoration Forum.

Castaway 07-08-2015 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m.hony (Post 1648225)
Mini-blinds are terrible. They get all bent up from bouncing down the road. The strings used to raise/lower break/stop working. The twist rod used to open/close the blinds break/fall off. I also hate the day/night shades, but they are better than mini-blinds. The Airstream curtain-in-a-track is the best thing, and I don't think any new trailers have them any more.


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We have a 2012 FC that has been towed close to 12000 miles and spend 15 to 20 weeks a year living in it with mini blinds and they are not bent, the strings still work and the plastic rods are still doing their job.

Gary

lindaebrewer 07-08-2015 02:33 PM

Brillant!

m.hony 07-08-2015 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castaway (Post 1648638)
We have a 2012 FC that has been towed close to 12000 miles and spend 15 to 20 weeks a year living in it with mini blinds and they are not bent, the strings still work and the plastic rods are still doing their job.

Gary


Possibly Airstream uses better blinds?
The mini-blinds in our 2009 Forest River Wildwood 28RLSS were junk, but the whole trailer was junk.
I don't like the day/night shades, either. They are junky in our friends'1995 Allegro Bus and they are junky in our 2013 Airstream.


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Frank&Mike 07-08-2015 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghamr (Post 1648487)
I was thinking about doing this, but didn't want to have 2 or 3 holes in the floor when I moved the pedestal back...how did you cover them?.

As painful as it was to drill an additional 6 holes, I did it. But the outcome was well worth it. I filled the holes with Liquid Nails, and then used a black felt tip marker to cover the Liquid Nails. Looks just like the factory floor covering.:D

[/QUOTE]Re blinds: I got a set of magnets from ACE that came with tape strips to put on the aluminum frame at the bottom of each window to hold the blinds down...the plastic clips wouldn't.[/QUOTE]

This sounds very interesting. Would you mind posting some photos? The photos seem to help me understand better. :)

[/QUOTE]Re bed: I posted a modification a few months back using a piano hinge & lifters under the mattress for easier access: Bed modification 5/3/15 Interior Restoration Forum.[/QUOTE]

I think you're the person that gave me the inspiration to make some changes but I cannot find your thread. Can you respond with a link to your thread and some photos?

Frank&Mike 07-08-2015 10:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Castaway (Post 1648638)
We have a 2012 FC that has been towed close to 12000 miles and spend 15 to 20 weeks a year living in it with mini blinds and they are not bent, the strings still work and the plastic rods are still doing their job.

Gary

Gary, we're pretty picky with our things ... unfortunately ... our two Jack Russell Terriers just don't find it important to respect the mini-blinds. Are they not Angels? LOL.:angel:

Frank&Mike 07-08-2015 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m.hony (Post 1648760)
Possibly Airstream uses better blinds?
The mini-blinds in our 2009 Forest River Wildwood 28RLSS were junk, but the whole trailer was junk.
I don't like the day/night shades, either. They are junky in our friends'1995 Allegro Bus and they are junky in our 2013 Airstream.


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Ok, now I'm thinking we better reconsider the shades.:bb:

Frank&Mike 07-09-2015 07:30 PM

I Invision Another Idea - Kitchen Storage
 
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I've been studying the space above the fridge for a number of months. I believe this is a great opportunity and location to build in a low profile cabinet/drawer for addition kitchen storage. The measurements I took indicate there is plenty space for additional items to be packed into this wasted space when turned into a low profile cabinet/drawer. Has anyone done this yet? Or am I going to be the first to experiment? Woops just noticed I misspelled Envision.

Cannonball 07-09-2015 11:07 PM

Just be aware that the rear of the shelf gets slightly warm from the fridge. Enough to make a loaf of bread sweat.


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TandT 07-10-2015 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank&Mike (Post 1647328)
Background:
Newly purchased November 2015, was questioning if it was turning out to be the wrong model for our needs (having previously owned two 25 footers and one 32 footer) because:
1. the smaller footprint limits access through the galley area to 1 person at a time,
2. the table layout didn't allow for a sofa/lounge area,
3. the challenge to access that nice large storage space under the bed (get on your knees and stick you head up in there and pull everything out),
4. the dislike for the kitchen sink, and
5. the dislike for the mini-blinds.

Today I decided the things that were prompting us to question our purchase have easy "fixes", so it was time to start working on the solutions.

Upon arriving home from our weekend camping, we started to work on resolving items 1 and 2 which turned out to be a simple "fix" as follows:

1. Move the table base as close to the curb side dinette area as possible.
2. The factory places the table base 8 inches out into the galley area, away from the dinette seating (on the curb side), so by moving the table base as close to the curb side dinette as possible it:
a. freed up 8 inches of additional living space,
b. allowed the dinette to also become a sofa/lounge area,
c. allowed room for another person to walk though the galley area while another person is standing in the galley area.
3. Rotate the table 180 degrees where the table now slides from the curb side wall out to the walkway when needed to convert to the bed.

First photo shows the clip on the underneath side of the table which allows the table to slide back and forth sideways. Next couple photos show table in its original position which impedes the galley area, restricting space to 1 person only. Next few photos then depict after the table base is moved as far to the curbside as possible (approximately 8 inches). Last few photos show how moving the table base now allows us to convert the space into a sofa/lounge area as well. Last photo shows that with the table slide, we can still slide the table back toward the galley area and have the same side sleeping area that we had prior to moving the table base.

Hope this makes sense to anyone that is considering this easy modification. I think this modification may also work for 23 FB models.

The next solution "to come" will be a "fix" for item 3. There is another thread on here that someone created which will be the source of our efforts "to come."

Did you have to unbolt the base is my question? I'm pretty sure, but curious. Love the lounger look.


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