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mikebee 05-28-2014 12:18 AM

F150 for Eddie Bauer 27FB?
 
First time poster here! I am acquiring my first A/S and am really excited. It's a 2014 Eddie Bauer 27FB. I'm also shopping for an adequate tow vehicle. I've been looking at some used F150s and have narrowed down some options. I'm trying to avoid spending more on a F250, or a F150 with 3.73 axle. I don't need anything excessive. Prior postings here about the F150 Ecoboost models with trailers longer than 25' omit weight calculations and estimations. I need some hard numbers and would appreciate your input.

I'm looking at a 2011 F150 Ecoboost 4x2 with SuperCrew cabin, 145" wheelbase, 3.55 axle, and 7100# GVWR package (i.e. 1760# maximum payload weight), 9800# maximum tow capacity. Would this tow vehicle would be (1) adequate; (2) borderline; or (3) inadequate?

I am also unsure about hitch selection. I'm looking at Propride 3P, Reese trunnion style WD hitch with dual cam sway control. I'd like something easy to hitch and unhitch with minimal adjustments each time. Any recommendations for the hitch weight rating? 1000? 1200? 1400?

[For reference] Eddie Bauer 27FB specs:
Hitch Weight (w/LP & w/o options, water & cargo) = 885 lbs
Unit Base Weight (w/LP & w/o options, water & cargo) = 5,975 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating = 7,800 lbs
Net Carrying Capacity (NCC=GVWR-UBW) = 1,825 lbs

Thank you in advance for your input!

SteveH 05-28-2014 06:18 AM

All input you get on this will be "flavored" with the individual's opinion, and such these threads tend to start arguments, but I will tell you what I think.

The truck you are looking at, while the numbers say it will work, I think you will be dissatisfied as it is too marginal. If it had a 3.73 axle ratio, it would be better for towing, and I doubt you would see a measurable difference in non-towing fuel mileage.

The P3 hitch is by far the best, but if you are serious about "minimal adjustments", look at the Reese SC hitch. While the Reese DC is a good hitch, it is difficult to get setup correctly, and if not done correctly, simply does not work well in the anti-sway category. The SC is difficult to initially set up, but once done, that's it. The P3 is probably the hardest to install and set up, but is absolutely the best for sway control.

Go with the hitch manufacturer's recommendation on weight distribution bar size, and because of the differences in type, each manufacturer will have different recommendations. Believe me, they know their business much more than some that just retail the hitches who desire to sell what they have in stock.

I make these statements mostly on experience, but I have no doubt there will be others that feel differently.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, and welcome to the forums and Airstreaming.

DKB_SATX 05-28-2014 08:11 AM

I am in general a proponent of half-ton trucks, I prefer the F150 to the F250 overall for various personal reasons. However, I have a vintage (i.e. lighter) trailer and mountains are far away from me.

I see that you live in northern California (with mountains calling you to camp in them), and you're buying a new fairly-heavy widebody Airstream. I think that the short wheelbase/3.55 diff F150 will be borderline.

The published tongue weights for Airstreams are notoriously light, you should figure on more tongue weight than the 885 lb. If you go with the ProPride hitch that sucker is heavy too and should figure in.

With the 6-speed and lots of torque at low RPM on the Ecoboost, the 3.55 diff is OK ratio-wise, but the reason I harp on the 3.73 limited-slip diff is that on the current F150 that axle comes only with the HD Payload setup, which will get you into a range where the truck is well-configured for heavier loads. I suspect those are hard to find on the used market, they're certainly hard to find new on a dealer lot. A word of caution, most people don't know the difference between a limited-slip diff and a crow bar, so if someone tells you the truck they're selling has the 3.73 LSD when you ask, smile and nod and check the tag on the door frame that tells the truth. That particular axle is easy to identify because it has 7-lug hubs, but check the doorframe tag and look for "B6" under the Axle heading.

As far as numbers, Ford quotes their payload as the amount over and above a full tank of fuel and a 150-lb driver. If the 1760 lb number you quoted above is from the door tag on the truck you're looking at and you're not planning to haul more than 500 lb of stuff in the truck with a couple of average-sized people in the cab it's probably within capacity but close. (I'm guessing the tongue weight ready for travel will be a little over 1k)

If you can talk a dealer into it, try to get an overnight test drive and do a real-world test. This should be easier with a used vehicle since they're not worried about miles on it. You're more likely to get them to agree if you don't mention the fact that you're going to hitch up your trailer, that sort of thing makes lawyers nervous.

ghaynes755 05-28-2014 08:38 AM

And if buying used take it and get it weighed on a CAT scale to really understand the load available for that truck. Even if it is just with you in the truck and a nearly empty tank of gas you will have a baseline to which you can add full fuel, the rest of the clan and get a starting point. I found that the advertised numbers on my 2014 GMC Sierra 1500 were woefully wrong. Any accessories, like the sunroof, 20 inch tires, a bed cover quickly rob you of available capacity. In my case, based on my weighing at the scales I had 80# left for the bed when setup to go. And there was very little stuff in the bed at the time.

It towed great, 5.3L/3.42, but not much room for stuff...

I have the ProPride on my FC25. I filmed my last hookup, need to get it edited, but from approach to the hitch to being completely hooked up was 4 minutes. So hitch time is very quick with a bit of experience and having a backup camera.

lsbrodsky 05-28-2014 09:31 AM

I just got back from a trip that included the Blue Ridge Mountains. I do not think my 2012 Intl 25 FB is substantially lighter than the 27 and my Chevy 1/2 ton 5.3 with the factory towing package and 3.42 did just fine. While I did pass some trucks going up the mountains, I generally stayed in the truck lane and exercised patience.
Larry

paiceman 05-28-2014 11:09 AM

My opinion as with others and theirs - F150 does not have the payload capacity to take a 27' AS. Capacity of the 150 you are looking at is 1,760#. Add the hitch and the hitch weight you are about half the allotted payload. Add yourself, partner, any pets, daily supplies to be carried in the truck, then anything you might carry in the truck bed. You are going with an EB so I am going to guess you are into some kind of motorized toys so you will be carrying fuel for the toys, parts?, tools, lawn chairs maybe a generator or two. And you quickly run out of payload.

We do not have an EB but we do have a 30' and found the Ford F150 could pull our trailer with no problem, but we ran out of payload capacity and truck tire capacity as at the time one could not order E rated tires from the factory. So we sold the F150 and went with a F250 Diesel crew cab. As far as towing and trips could not be happier with a tow vehicle - around town not very economical.

Good Luck

jcl 05-28-2014 12:06 PM

Just to provide a counterpoint, I think that the truck you are proposing would be fine, from both a power and payload capacity, as long as you are conscious of how much weight you are going to lug around with you in the truck box. If you plan to take boats, motors, generator sets, etc, then you need to start adding up those weights, and you would likely benefit from the heavier payload version of the F150.

The driver and fuel is already accounted for. A portion of the tongue weight will be distributed back to the trailer, but just call it 1000 lbs on the truck for now. Consider your passenger, and your cargo. Then make a call.

Jeff

paiceman 05-28-2014 01:07 PM

NOT going to get into a p match here but here is a quote from Ford on GVW ratings and how they are determined.

The Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) of a truck is the combined total weight of the vehicle, cab contents and occupants. Gross Vehicle Weight is also known as the "curb weight" of a vehicle. The GVW is determined by weighing the vehicle and its contents or by weighing the vehicle and the contents separately and adding the two values. Gross Vehicle Weight should not be confused with the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR), which is the total recommended maximum weight of the vehicle, its contents and any towed items.

What is tricky in determining payload capacity is the manufacturers do not publish and will not disclose if in fact they include people and if so how many or what weights they use for each person. Therefore, the easiest and safest way is for you or anyone to take the GVW - weigh the truck you are considering and then start adding people and things you plan on carrying in the vehicle including hitch - ball mount ( I can hardly life mine anymore) and hitch weight. Then you will have your own number and know for sure. Then take this total, add it to the weight of the tuck and you have your number. Below GVW you are good, over you are not so good.

Safe Travels

ghaynes755 05-28-2014 02:03 PM

And generally any accessories are not included in the published weights.

BassCan 05-28-2014 03:50 PM

Hi Mikebee, congrats on your new EB.
We also purchased a 2014 Eddie Bauer 27.Yea!!!
We are picking ours up soon. We are towing with a 2007 1500 Surburban with a GVWR of 7100 lbs using a PP3 hitch. We will let you know how the tow home goes, it will be around 1000 miles. Purchased from Colonial and live in Lower Alabama.

Moflash 05-28-2014 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcl (Post 1461447)
Just to provide a counterpoint, I think that the truck you are proposing would be fine, from both a power and payload capacity, as long as you are conscious of how much weight you are going to lug around with you in the truck box. If you plan to take boats, motors, generator sets, etc, then you need to start adding up those weights, and you would likely benefit from the heavier payload version of the F150.

The driver and fuel is already accounted for. A portion of the tongue weight will be distributed back to the trailer, but just call it 1000 lbs on the truck for now. Consider your passenger, and your cargo. Then make a call.

Jeff

Ford counts the drivers weight at 150lbs.

jcl 05-28-2014 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moflash (Post 1461544)
Ford counts the drivers weight at 150lbs.

True. And the average North American weighs 178 lbs. Important to consider your own weight when doing this calculation, if it is non typical.

kscherzi 05-28-2014 05:35 PM

I pull a 27FB with a Ford Expedition. The ecoboost is a lot more powerful than my 5.4, especially at altitude. The F150 you are looking at has more everything than what I have. Per CAT scale I'm within spec so your F150 should be just fine in my opinion.

JFScheck 05-28-2014 10:08 PM

Let me tell you a quick story...

1. Downsized from 2011 30 Classic to 2013 27FB Serinity
2. Traded in 2011 F-350 SRW for 2013 EcoBoost 4x4 Crew Cab King Ranch cause the fleet dealer told me after I gave him tongue weight, topper weight, peeps weight, etc. that the F-150 can handle payload. Thought smaller trailer I could get smaller truck as F-350 would be overkill.
3. 2 weeks later, night before new trailer pickup, I check driver door for tire pressure and discover "max payload" sticker of F-150.
4. Attempt to get traded in F-350 back, too late plus I now own a used F-150 that cannot handle max payload I require.
5. While purchasing 2014 SRT Grand Cherokee, test drive 2013 Ram 2500 4x4 Mega Cab with Cummins diesel. Better ride & nicer than both F-150 4x4 Crew Cab King Ranch EcoBoost and previous F-350 King Ranch diesel SRW 4x4.
6. Purchase Ram 2500 Cummins & take loss on F-150 EcoBoost Ford.
7. Happy ever after (with lessons learned).

Towed a 2009 25FB Classic with diesel TDI Touareg all over this awesome country of ours. Super combo package (Airstream & diesel Touareg) and towed like a dream (ProPride Hitch) with the caveat that I had nothing in the Touareg and packed my items in the aft section of the Airstream.

Yea, could have kept the F-150 EcoBoost, removed the topper and been a bit over the max payload of the EcoBoost and like my Touareg setup, sweat the weights.... Been there, done that, never again... ;)

And YES, you are reading this correctly, my Touareg had a higher max payload than that F-150 EcoBoost Ford by a few hundred pounds!

BTW - ProPride Hitch's all the way!!!

Oh, and my suggestion based on my experience, purchase a F-250/2500.... :D


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