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mstephens 01-21-2014 11:54 AM

Transmission Cooler Essentials
 
My Chrysler 300 Project TV

My trans temp without trailer at 70MPH is about 190F in 80F ambient conditions. I expect that to rise then to 210F in 100F weather, which is my neighborhood. That's before adding a trailer.

Feels too high to me. So, I am wanting to add a cooler. There are a vast array of products out there and none seem specific to my car. They appear to be kind of generic. I'd like to understand the different quality levels and to know how much cooling I can get.

From what I can tell, "plate and fin" is superior to other types. And, there is an issue regarding "pressure drop" which I can't quite quantify. The ratings on these are often expressed as some weight figure regarding towing, for instance: "towing 5000#" or "towing 2500#". I have seen also reference to "22,000GVW".

Hard to tell which brands might be quality and which might be junk. Since the majority of the cost involved is labor, it would be stupid to save $20 on materials if a higher quality unit is available.

Anyone have hands on experience with these coolers?

Top 01-21-2014 12:02 PM

I know a guy...
 
Ask these guys.
Chrysler | Dodge | High Performance Transmissions | Performance Parts
Lots of good xmsn information on their blog.

From what I've read, the Long TruCool is about the best cooler there is. It is marketed under other names as well.
Good luck in your search. I'm interested to see how things work out for you.

mstephens 01-21-2014 12:56 PM

Thanks Top! I'll give them a call.

ROBERTSUNRUS 01-21-2014 01:30 PM

:) Hi, I personally don't believe in adding trans coolers; The cooler on your vehicle was designed to take care of your vehicle's needs. My Lincoln was rated to tow 8,900 lbs and my trailer is rated at 6,300 lbs, so no need to add anything. [load within factory specs]

But in your case, your tow vehicle was not designed to tow a 7,000 lb plus trailer. So you might very well need some extra help cooling your trans. I would, if I were you, look into another Chrysler product trans cooler like one for a Ram/Dodge 1500. I like the factory connections versus hose clamps. This might also be too much cooling at times therefore I would also consider a trans cooler thermostat.

Jim Flower 01-21-2014 01:40 PM

I have installed the Tru Cool transmission cooler on my last 4 Jeeps (excluding the diesel) and have found them to be 100% reliable! no issues, ever. I like the fact that they work only when needed since the flow of oil through them is controlled by the viscosity of the oil. So when it is cold, no flow, and when things start to heat up, the flow increases. Jim

mstephens 01-21-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Flower (Post 1406381)
I have installed the Tru Cool transmission cooler on my last 4 Jeeps (excluding the diesel) and have found them to be 100% reliable! no issues, ever. I like the fact that they work only when needed since the flow of oil through them is controlled by the viscosity of the oil. So when it is cold, no flow, and when things start to heat up, the flow increases. Jim

Well, that's interesting. I've never heard of that. That's a couple votes for tru cool.

mstephens 01-21-2014 03:57 PM

What kinds of temperatures are people running at with loads? I generally ran about 185F in my Burb while towing. When it hit 219F on any occasion I pulled over immediately and let it cool to under 200 before proceeding.

Now with this 300, I am hitting 195 with no trailer. Hmmmm?

SmokelessJoe 01-21-2014 04:53 PM

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mstephens, appreciate your intelligent posts.

Whichever secondary transmission cooler you decide on I think optimal placement is very important. Check out these installation instructions from a major performance manufacturer located near to you:

http://www.bulkpart.com/Merchant2/gr...all-Derale.pdf

Note particularly Diagram #2. If you place the cooler ahead of the air-stream as far as possible you will get optimal performance, I think.

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I installed an additional cooler in my Sprinter after having warnings from a member here, Lewster.

You apparently know what your running temperatures are now. I could not know what the temperatures were BEFORE I installed a cooler because the Sprinter doesn't have a transmission temp gauge. Neither is is reported on my SCAN GAUGE because Mercedes won't release proprietary information to them. ( At least this was the case when I last checked with them about 2 years ago.)

So my point is that it is hard to know if the cooler is really effective unless you have base line figures.

I bought my cooler from The Sprinter Store in Oregon and had it installed according to their instructions. Later, after a full summer of pulling my trailer, I came across the Derale diagram.

My cooler is not installed optimally and I am going to check next spring to see if I can have it better located.

The Sprinter Store said that I didn't need a temperature gauge: ... " the transmission will run 20 degrees cooler".

I am therefore suspicious of their specific product. 20 degrees cooler than what?

I did install a transmission temperature gauge from Geno's Garage in Georgia, recommended by member Big Ed Moeller from South Carolina.

This shows that my truck is running in the 165-175 range alone and 185-190 pulling. So the trailer produces a 20 to 25 degree heat premium.

My own suspicion is that a lot of things effect transmission temperature: ambient temperature, wind direction and velocity, grade, etc.

I would add an auxiliary cooler if I where you but keep in mind all these points.

All the best,

Sergei

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SSquared 01-21-2014 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mstephens (Post 1406435)
What kinds of temperatures are people running at with loads? I generally ran about 185F in my Burb while towing. When it hit 219F on any occasion I pulled over immediately and let it cool to under 200 before proceeding.

Now with this 300, I am hitting 195 with no trailer. Hmmmm?

I see 190-210 when towing my 25 FB on the flat, with outside temp in the 90-100 degree range. When climbing mountains in Colorado, the tranny temp climbs steadily. I pull over and let it cool at 235. I don't have any solid basis for that 235 number.

I have a 2010 Yukon Denali 6.2 liter engine with 6 sp. transmission. The owner's manual doesn't say how hot is too hot, but it does say that the temp should be in the 160-200 degree range when checking the transmission fluid level. My independent mechanic says he found a reference that says the car will post the warning message at 266 degrees.

subfan1 01-21-2014 05:33 PM

Hi Mstephens, I'm following your adventure in downsizing closely. I'm glad someone from So Calif. is doing this this because I'm not so sure we can actually use sedans to tow our trailers in our hot summer environments and pulling long 6 to 7% grades for 10 to 15 miles to leave the greater Los Angeles area due to high temperatures. Thanks for doing this and I'm looking forward to your results.
Awhile ago you were looking for a Trans cooler for your Burb and I followed that thread because I own a Tahoe as well. What were your results regarding your Trans temp results if you changed out your Factory cooler?
Thanks again

mstephens 01-21-2014 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by subfan1 (Post 1406484)
Hi Mstephens, I'm following your adventure in downsizing closely. I'm glad someone from So Calif. is doing this this because I'm not so sure we can actually use sedans to tow our trailers in our hot summer environments and pulling long 6 to 7% grades for 10 to 15 miles to leave the greater Los Angeles area due to high temperatures. Thanks for doing this and I'm looking forward to your results.
Awhile ago you were looking for a Trans cooler for your Burb and I followed that thread because I own a Tahoe as well. What were your results regarding your Trans temp results if you changed out your Factory cooler?
Thanks again

I held off doing a cooler on the Burb, because I had no confidence in any of my area mechanics to either A) recommend the right one; B) do quality work. Then after waiting the several months, I decided I would ultimately move on to a new TV, which is now the 300.

Once more, I am finding a lot of "mystery" about trans coolers from local mechanics. They just don't give me any confidence they know what they are talking about. I'm a bit flummoxed by that. People will say, sure we can put one in. Then I ask which one they would recommend, and they stumble around and essentially ask me which one I want!

I did see that diagram about placement and I really took that to heart, because the difference between 100% and 60% is no small matter!

I am running into a general problem: Finding real automotive experts. I stopped hot rodding whan I was 21. So it's been 45 years since I twisted a wrench. In the old days, you could find experts on everything. I know there were tons of guys in SoCal that could do any trick you could imagine with a car. Today, I just can't find anyone that knows jack squat about custom work. I am actually quite frustrated right now. This is off the tranny topic, but I will relate it anyway here. I called a local "RV Repair" guy - biggest ad in the phone book - to put my 7-way pigtail on the car and install my Prodigy 2 brake controller.
Guy: "Oh! Chrysler 300, that's a car! You're talking big bucks to do that kind of work."
Me: "Well, what do you mean big bucks?"
Guy: "Well, I have to figure all that out, it could take all day, I can't even give you an estimate. Bring it in and I will take a look."

Ok, I hung up and went on line. In 10 minutes I found explicit YouTubes on how to install the wiring harness on MY MODEL CAR! Then on the etrailer site, there were any number of instructions for connecting brake controllers. And this guy is going to charge me for "all day?"

Arghhhhh. Bad day here.

gmw photos 01-21-2014 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mstephens (Post 1406435)
What kinds of temperatures are people running at with loads? I generally ran about 185F in my Burb while towing. When it hit 219F on any occasion I pulled over immediately and let it cool to under 200 before proceeding.

Now with this 300, I am hitting 195 with no trailer. Hmmmm?

Is there a Chrysler approved or recommended synthetic ATF ? Mobil ?

MrUKToad 01-21-2014 08:33 PM

We have an Andy T fitted Trans Cooler. His team supplied and installed it and I couldn't even tell you what make it is.

Unfortunately our Toyota transmission oil temperature sensor is only a simply good/bad switch so, unless I have it replaced with a proper temperature sensor and have a gauge fitted as well, I'm never going to know what the oil in the transmission is doing.

In the heat of the summer last year, and into a nasty headwind, the engine temperature touched 100C (212F) mark briefly when we were towing fully laden up the Niagara escarpment on the 401. As soon as we leveled out it dropped right back down again and I'm guessing that the transmission oil is doing something similar.

We've never seen the transmission oil temperature warning light come on so I guess we're working within the prescribed limits.

slowmover 01-22-2014 04:15 AM

Were your vehicle mine I'd be reserching the police-spec pieces for the Charger.

Been ten years now since I've done one, but I've always followed MOPAR procedure as to HD since 1968: Cooler located downstream of radiator cooler hard lines and filter added yet farther down before return to pan.

Used B&M Racing (LONG Mfg; bypasses fluid when cold) piece; located in line with mech. fan, some ways away from A/C condensor installed with steel strap.

Longest part of work was in construccting "harness" of hose/hard line that could be removed as a single piece. Used ADEL clamps to locate and zip ties in pairs to keep together. Very gentle bends on hose.

Used a small single pass DERALE cooler for power steering (same as MOPAR; HD & Police) in same way; also filter downstream (MAGNEFINE). One can cook PSF on a winter day in backing multiple times usually not enough airflow is the culprit.

To my knowledge there is no better ATF than SCHAEFFERS ATS.

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