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perryg114 03-11-2013 10:51 AM

Water Pressure Regulators - DO THEY WORK?
 
Many of us have older trailers with a mishmash of jury rigged tubing with various combinations of copper and plastic (PB) tubing. I don't like subjecting the old PB tubing in my trailer to over 40 psi. For the first time since I bought the trailer (1.5 yrs) I hooked it to a water hose at home. I first put a water pressure gage after the existing regulator. I turned on water and the gage that maxed at 50psi ran all the way to the peg. So I backed off on the regulator and the flow got less but as soon as you turned the water off the pressure would creep back up to the supply pressure.

So I went to Lowe's and bought a brand new pressure regulator with the adjusment. This one would at least attempt to regulate the pressure but when you stopped the water flow it would creep back up to the supply pressure over a few minutes. I am not sure if mine is defective or if they all are like this.

The inline ones like you get from the camping store are little more than flow regulators which does nothing to keep you from overpressurizing your plumbing system in your trailer.

My advice is that you test anything you put on your trailer with a gage after the regulator. I bet most of the ones you have installed now don't work like they are supposed to.

I am going to leave the new regulator installed and see if it seats in over time but I think it will probably go back to Lowe's. These things are made just like a gas pressure regulator and they should work if built properly.

I have been running off the fresh water tank but it gets musty smelling and cleaning it out everytime we go camping is something I would rather not have to deal with.

Perry

Inland RV Center, In 03-11-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by perryg114 (Post 1271640)
Many of us have older trailers with a mishmash of jury rigged tubing with various combinations of copper and plastic (PB) tubing. I don't like subjecting the old PB tubing in my trailer to over 40 psi. For the first time since I bought the trailer (1.5 yrs) I hooked it to a water hose at home. I first put a water pressure gage after the existing regulator. I turned on water and the gage that maxed at 50psi ran all the way to the peg. So I backed off on the regulator and the flow got less but as soon as you turned the water off the pressure would creep back up to the supply pressure.

So I went to Lowe's and bought a brand new pressure regulator with the adjusment. This one would at least attempt to regulate the pressure but when you stopped the water flow it would creep back up to the supply pressure over a few minutes. I am not sure if mine is defective or if they all are like this.

The inline ones like you get from the camping store are little more than flow regulators which does nothing to keep you from overpressurizing your plumbing system in your trailer.

My advice is that you test anything you put on your trailer with a gage after the regulator. I bet most of the ones you have installed now don't work like they are supposed to.

I am going to leave the new regulator installed and see if it seats in over time but I think it will probably go back to Lowe's. These things are made just like a gas pressure regulator and they should work if built properly.

I have been running off the fresh water tank but it gets musty smelling and cleaning it out everytime we go camping is something I would rather not have to deal with.

Perry

Perry.

It sounds like someone has super modified the plumbing system.

The water pressure regulator that Airstream has used for many years, works perfectly.

Andy

perryg114 03-11-2013 04:01 PM

I don't know if the one I that was in there was factory or not . I think it was made by Watt? The new one is made by the same company.

Perry

Inland RV Center, In 03-11-2013 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by perryg114 (Post 1271787)
I don't know if the one I that was in there was factory or not . I think it was made by Watt? The new one is made by the same company.

Perry

That's the brand Airstream has used for over 50 years.

Andy

Protagonist 03-11-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by perryg114 (Post 1271640)
So I went to Lowe's and bought a brand new pressure regulator with the adjustment. This one would at least attempt to regulate the pressure but when you stopped the water flow it would creep back up to the supply pressure over a few minutes. I am not sure if mine is defective or if they all are like this.

They are all like that. A pressure regulator only works when there's actual flow. Shut off the flow downstream of the regulator, and the pressure will build up to the same pressure as at the source. The more the pressure regulator chokes off the flow, the longer it will take for the pressure to build back up, but it will happen.

I won't bore you with a physics lesson in fluid dynamics to explain why it works that way. Count your blessings; I can bore a stone to tears by talking to it!

sandhill3000 03-11-2013 05:06 PM

Inland RV Center -
Are you saying that Airstreams come with a water regulator already in the water system or they are just available?

perryg114 03-11-2013 06:08 PM

Not true, a pressure regulator regulates pressure. We use them all the time at NASA for regulating pressure of gases. If the pressure gets too high because the regulator fails, there are Relief Valves that blow to protect anything down stream. There are also relief valves on air compressors so if the compressor does not shut off, you won't have an explosion. The seat is bad on poorly designed on the new regulator that I installed. A regulator that does not regulate pressure is dangerous and fradulent. You have to have a regulator to take a 2000lb K-bottle of He, N2, H2, Air etc. down to a working pressure say 100psi. We are required to install relief valves down stream of any regulators in case they fail and I have never seen one fail but that is what we are held to. I can install a relief valve that will blow and send water out a vent line to protect the trailer. What do you think that a blow off valve is on your water heater? It is a pressure regulator or in this case a relief valve. If the pressure gets too high it blows. If it is bad it would leak like the crappy water pressure regulator that I have does.

Perry

markdoane 03-11-2013 06:51 PM

If you have a Watts regulator, it should not creep up when you shut off the water flow. Unless it is bad/defective. Or unless you forgot to turn of the water heater and the increase in pressure is due to thermal expansion. Some (not all) direct acting regulators have a thermal expansion bypass to correct this.

murreywalker 03-11-2013 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sandhill3000 (Post 1271813)
Inland RV Center -
Are you saying that Airstreams come with a water regulator already in the water system or they are just available?

I'm not Andy, but the answer to your question is yes, they all have a built in water pressure regulator.

sandhill3000 03-11-2013 08:49 PM

Then why did I just buy one?

Don't answer that!

Protagonist 03-12-2013 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by perryg114 (Post 1271841)
Not true, a pressure regulator regulates pressure. We use them all the time at NASA for regulating pressure of gases. If the pressure gets too high because the regulator fails, there are Relief Valves that blow to protect anything down stream. There are also relief valves on air compressors so if the compressor does not shut off, you won't have an explosion. The seat is bad on poorly designed on the new regulator that I installed. A regulator that does not regulate pressure is dangerous and fradulent. You have to have a regulator to take a 2000lb K-bottle of He, N2, H2, Air etc. down to a working pressure say 100psi. We are required to install relief valves down stream of any regulators in case they fail and I have never seen one fail but that is what we are held to. I can install a relief valve that will blow and send water out a vent line to protect the trailer. What do you think that a blow off valve is on your water heater? It is a pressure regulator or in this case a relief valve. If the pressure gets too high it blows. If it is bad it would leak like the crappy water pressure regulator that I have does.

Perry

I yield to your superior knowledge. Note to self: Never again joke about rocket science!

dznf0g 03-12-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sandhill3000 (Post 1271950)
Then why did I just buy one?

Don't answer that!

Well I'll tell you why I did. The plastic AS (forget the brand...Surflo or Thetford....?) regulators are notorious leakers. I have pulled mine out, cleand and resealed once, and I really don't want it to be a regular maintenance thing. Next time it leaks, I may pull it out of the system and permanently mount my Watts/ with gauge into the system.

perryg114 03-12-2013 07:32 AM

Well I guess I will take mine back and get another one. I would still want one even if I had everything PEX. At least I have a gage now so I can see what the supply pressure is.

In your house toilet flush valves are usually the first things to go bad from excess pressure.

Perry

tkowalyk 03-12-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by perryg114 (Post 1272081)
Well I guess I will take mine back and get another one. I would still want one even if I had everything PEX. At least I have a gage now so I can see what the supply pressure is.

In your house toilet flush valves are usually the first things to go bad from excess pressure.

Perry

I know that the AS has a built in regulator. I guess I am a bit old school -- it might be belts and suspenders, but I use an external regulator with a gauge set at 50PSI. This seams to provide enough water for a shower, and the flow is adequate at the sink and toilet.


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